" Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger . Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."
Operation CHAINS was a chain reaction of events.
Im not into mugen stuff anymore, but there is 2 version of SF2 sprite Cammy Alpha style nowadays and the whole shadaloo dolls are mugenized. Even new characters in SF4 in sprite ibelieve is now mugenized.
Gouken was really good and complete.
Which means he is absolutely French, because for the Japanese THE stereotypical Frenchman is the painter with a beret, like Auguste Rodin.
Exactly as the stereotypical Italian sports a ridiculous fashion coming straight from JoJo, or the stereotypical Brit is a punk with a name coming straight from golf jargon…
They obviously intended Disco Metro, anyway.
I always interpreted it as a tongue-in-cheek retcon. A bit like Q in Ken’s stage…
Remy’s stage is most probably based on a very interesting piece of set design from the 1997 French film Dobermann. At 1:10:00 into the movie there is a good shot of the “Jo Hell” club facade.
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@LOVECYCLONE Talk about coincidences: I was just about to speak about ANOTHER Dobermann, with whom the protagonist of the French movie has MUCH in common… 
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But is Paris
For what’s worth Rose’s Genova is actually a Genova-Venezia mix
Great find
With al the talk about Mugen, I recently DL this fan remake of SF1, (yeah it seems I am about 10 years late to the party).
I havent had the time to play it much but I am intriged by having a somehow more playable version of SF1 so that alone makes me applaud the efforts.
Now, on a more nitpicky side, I dont think they should have included supers, combo counter and a faster game speed than SF2 WW, at least from a more “autentic” point of view (if that makes sense).
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Try NGBC.
MUGEN? That was like some good 25 years ago…
It’s too bad the Street Fighter community isn’t as passionate as the My Little Pony community. 
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Mugen is what you make it. It can be simple, it can be bad or it can be absolutely fantastic. I’ve been working with several dudes to make a pretty snazzy DBZ fighter (I’m more of a voice actor and talent scout for the team) All the magic is done by the dedicated members that are programmers, sprite artists, background artists, musicians etc, they really are doing great stuff and pushing the engine as far as it can go.
Examples
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Great job there being part of the amazing team
That DB fighter are just few of the decent full games out there, while others are just compilation.
Even with the MUGEN stuff, NGBC was basically Capcom Fighting Evolution done well.
They can. If they do it with cheap-ass graphics.
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Damn man, that is beyond excellent. They even have the custom interactions. 
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Agree, The only problem with it wasn’t released on popular console and handheld.
For a casual intended game, They can, just selecting the best and dream crossover characters.
I wouldn’t bother that for a compilation sprite game of both SFA and SF3, they could just slight optimize the sprite of SF3 like CFJ/CFE did to mix it with Alpha.
or SF4 with some new SF5 characters. Since both it casual intended like USF2 not something foe Esports.
TvC style graphics could work well and probably be a way of quickly implementing the entire roster in a consistent style.
Fuck having different sprites.
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for the sprite like CVS2 mixing alpha with new sprites from cvs and sf3 that’s more on the budget area since it’s more targeted on a casual fanbase and a compilation game like KOF2002UM.
Capcom would unlikely do something with bigger production with tons of characters like almost entire roster because of the gameplay would be not healthy to esport.
That hopes if for anniversary type game like USF2 and HSF2 not a flagship competitive title.
The idea of the sprite is because it’s on a budget and targeted for casuals.
Got so impressed by your last post that checked a bit Tar-chan (never seen it before) to see if some other things could link to SF
found this dude existence lol
Go to 2:50 
At 16:18 hundred slaps LOL
Including the last palm strike the dynamic remind a lot SFV CA too
Fun thing same episode just before that scene Anabebe is testing his strenght on a elephant… just like Rog did with Sim’s elephant
In another scene ever Anabebe stop a fast car going in his direction, something Rog does in SFvsTK
It’s like if capcom even years after made Rog repeat Anabebe’s feats lol
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@bakfromon @LOVECYCLONE @Lord_Vega @Pertho @Darc_Requiem @DarthEnder2 @Shockdingo @Daemos @Phantom_Miria @TazyryLipo and everyone else… Here we go again. Preliminary apologies to @bakfromon and @LOVECYCLONE if I end up repeating the same things I said in PM.
I stumbled upon a wrestling manga published in 1980 some years ago, found by chance in a bookshop in Italy. It was only the fifth volume, but I already saw something that made me jump: namely, a Screw Piledriver and an Atomic Suplex, only with different names.
The manga is リッキー台風 Rikkī Taifū, “Ricky Typhoon”, by well-renowned (in Japan…) mangaka Shinji Hiramatsu. He even was the teacher of Tetsuya Saruwatari, whom everyone in the FGC knows for Riki-Oh (where Washizaki and, consequently, Bison, came from). Considering the sheer amount of things Capcom took from his works, it’s puzzling WHY no one, not even IN JAPAN, ever talks nor has talked about that. In Ricky Typhoon we have the titular protagonist, young and promising wrestler Ricky Yamato, who’s actually the secret son of Japanese pro-wrestling god Rikidōzan (renamed Rikiōgan for obvious reasons, but come on…), and who’s coached by the legendary wrestler Lou Thesz himself (not renamed). His primary rival is Narcis Strauss, coached by the other legendary wrestler, Karl Gotch. Throw in all that the ever-present Giant Baba (who wants Yamato in his AJPW), Antonio Inoki (who wants Narcis in his NJPW) and a bunch of other celebrities with slightly altered names, and you get what could happen.
The manga is fairly disjointed, with the first two volumes seeing Ricky getting accustomed to his new school where the Law of the Strongest is in full force; namely, the principal supports fights between the students because “it builds character”, and there’s an overlord who tyrannises the school, named Shōgun. He’s always clad in a full Japanese samurai armor .
Yup, he’s Sodom. BIG digression: Sodom and Guy’s names come from ANOTHER Hiramatsu manga, Black Angels (1981-1985), where they were two evil ninjas (of a trio with a third ninja named Shura) enemies of the protagonists.
Shura, Sodom and Guy. No resemblance whatsoever with anybody Capcom did, just their names
The name Sodom was reused later in the manga Murder License Kiba (1988-1994), whose protagonist Yūji Kiba IS GUY THROUGH AND THROUGH:
Here, Sodom is an assassin/bodyguard of the villain of the very first story (1988, remember: so it was just in time to inspire Final Fight…)
FF Sodom’s final costume is partly Shōgun, partly maybe another character from Black Angels , Matsuda, who fought clad in jeans and football gears. And then there were Mad Bull 34’s Kerberos (the charge) and Bolton (the katana).
Matsuda was Hiramatsu’s real breakout character, later earning a series all about himself, with Black Angels’ protagonist Yōji Yukito demoted to sidekick.
Back to Ricky Typhoon…
…Shōgun had 4 underlings, the FOUR KINGS (四天王 Shitennō in Japanese). Yep. Nothing original, as the Four Kings is a Buddhist idea used every time there are four strong characters in similar positions, but still.
The jūdō club captain, the kendō club captain (the only woman), the sumō club captain and the karate club captain. The karate captain is interesting for his few resemblances to Balrog/Vega (the queue hairstyle, the flying attacks and his flying kick, with the same pose Vega had):
The sumō captain is interesting because he’s the source of the historic error regarding sumō’s SABAORI. Sabaori (“mackerel-breaker”) is NOT a bear hug (illegal in sumō), as I already said in my article about Honda, but a technique consisting in forcing your opponent on his knee(s):
Ouch.
Anyway, in Ricky Typhoon , sumō captain Kitawaka executes a bear hug, that everyone calls Sabaori. EXACTLY AS CAPCOM DID WITH HONDA. You know how they say: there’s no better proof of having copied someone than spotting the same mistake…
Every Japanese site I read accuses SF2 of being the source of this historical error, widespread in Japan amongst the FGC who aren’t sumō fans. I’ve found proof that the primary source is Ricky Typhoon instead. To Hiramatsu’s credit, I’ve also found proof that at least one Japanese wrestling magazine in the Seventies did erroneously call the Bear Hug “sabaori”, maybe because of the Japanese confusion between 鯖折り sabaori (“mackerel breaker”) and 背骨折り seboneori (“back breaker”), so it’s not entirely his fault.
After the first two volumes, Ricky beats the Shitennō and Shōgun, and finds his secret technique, the ROLLING BACKDROP. Namely, Zangief’s Atomic Suplex (and Alex’s Backdrop Bomb, and Vega’s Rolling Izuna Drop):
Incidentally, his opponent in the last image is EL CONDOR, aka El Stinger/Stingray. With the same special move (unnamed in Ricky Typhoon, but it’s El Stinger’s Jalapeno Comet) to boot:
HOWEVER, Ricky opponent Narcis then demonstrates HIS special move:
Thunder Death Driver. The mother of Screw Piledriver AND real-life Tiger Driver. Remember, Screw Piledriver was named ROLLING Piledriver initially.
I can almost see Misawa reading the manga and thinking "Well, if you leave out the spinning and the absurd jump…
After having defeated Narcis, Ricky must face the NWA junior heavyweight champ, an American named CLARK ROBINSON, obvious mix between Clark Kent and the British wrestler Billy Robinson. The very first act he does when in Japan is saving a girl who threatened to commit suicide (but didn’t actually want to) that slipped and was falling from a building, in pure SUPERMAN style, complete with Superman logo in kana (just to be clear if the reader doesn’t catch the reference…):
Then he proceeds to stop the car where Ricky, his rival Terry Bronco (obvious clone of Terry Funk Jr.), Giant Baba and their driver were. BY LIFTING IT.
Before going further, wasn’t there another fighting game character that mixed Superman with wrestling?
Exactly.
Clark Robinson then effortlessly catches a punch from Ricky, squeezing his hand without a sweat and declaring that his aim is to literally become Superman. To prove his point, he JUMPS FROM THE HIGHWAY OVERPASS THEY WERE ON:
Obviously he staged the whole thing placing a rescue air mattress under the overpass, but still he had to hit it right…
Then Bronco tells Ricky that he saw Clark for the first time a year before in the USA, when Clark ran in during a match between Black Tiger (a vicious heel who Ricky just barely had managed to beat) and a helpless rookie whom Black Tiger was mistreating. Seeing Black Tiger drawing blood pitilessly, Clark stopped him and threw him out of the ring with only one arm. On top of that, Clark got a PhD at age 15, and trained as an astronaut at Kennedy Space Center. In short, he’s an absolute invincible genius.
Incidentally, his favourite move is the Super-speed Giant Swing. Nothing new in pro wrestling, but still…
During an exhibition demonstration, Clark gets himself SHOT WITH A CANNON THROUGH A BULLETPROOF GLASS SUSPENDED BETWEEN TWO BUILDINGS, shattering it with a flying punch Superman-style. To demonstrate it’s actually bulletproof, an unnamed sniper fires repeatedly against the glass.
The shooter in the shade is a cameo by Jōji Kanō, aka Detective Dobermann, the protagonist of the first Hiramatsu manga (written by Buronson, who later with Tetsuo Hara became famous worldwide with Fist of the North Star), Doberman Deka (1975-1979). He always uses his beloved Blackhawk 44 Magnum. Hiramatsu loves to reuse his characters in other works, often with an actual separated crossover series which features both the casts of two of his previous mangas. The protagonists of Black Angels clashed (then obviously allied) with Murder License Kiba, Kiba appeared in Gedōbō and so on. Just to close the digression about Jōji Kanō, he once did THIS:
I don’t think I should explain that, do I? 
Guile’s somersault kick even has the same crouch - somersault - crouch sequence. How incredibly serendipitous that the French movie Dobermann had a protagonist SO similar to Kanō/Matsuda: sideburns, leather jacket, sunglasses…
And Remy, who has a stage inspired by the French movie, ALSO does a Somersault Kick as well.
Going back to Clark Robinson… After shattering the glass, he demonstrates the training method he used to achieve this sort of superhuman strength, moving every single muscle he has independently from each other:
As a shocked Baba explains, Clark actually trained using MUSCLE CONTROL, the old lost art practiced by the FIRST ever pro wrestling world champion, Frank Gotch. Essentially, you concentrate your mind on a SINGLE MUSCLE and contract and relax only that muscle. Nothing else. By repeatedly doing so, you can achieve a complete control over your whole musculature, that acquires an enormous strength in the process. Enough to withstand strong attacks without even flinching.
And that’s the origin of Zangief’s Muscle Power, full stop.
Interestingly enough, the art of Muscle Control ACTUALLY EXISTS, although there’s no historical evidence that Gotch ever practiced it. Its most famous proponent was Max Sick, aka Maxick, who penned the book Muscle Control back in 1909:
Some of its exercises are truly impressive, like being able to contract only ONE SIDE of the abdominal muscles. Of course that requires an enormous amount of time and patience, so I can understand why that’s considered a lost art… Even though bodybuilders still practice it to some extent during posing.
Maxick also actually claimed that these exercises alone could give enormous strength, although I don’t exactly think you can become able to throw a bear in the air like nothing.
Hiramatsu then reused the concept of Muscle Control in Murder License Kiba, whose protagonist Yūji has a control over his muscles so deep that he can actually transform into another person, and regularly poses as the personal FEMALE nurse of the Japanese prime minister Itagaki, going with the name of Yūko. And he uses it as bait to lure the maniac foreign politician who killed women (and employed Sodom), returning man before his eyes:
(many Hiramatsu stories are NSFW as Tar-chan, by the way)
Later, he must fight Russian spies, among whom there’s a taekwondo and sambo specialist:
Yes, the woman called him ナッシュ Nasshu, NASH.
Remember when in the anime series Street Fighter II Victory Nash resembled Jean Reno and did grappling? Well…
Going on: Hiramatsu clearly loved Detective Doberman’s Jōji Kanō, so much so that he reused basically the same character with a slightly different name in Black Angels, where he became Kyōji Matsuda (whom you already saw with a football gear). It’s arguable that Hiramatsu did so because Buronson still owned half of Detective Doberman’s rights, so he couldn’t openly reuse Kanō himself (indeed, in Ricky Typhoon he’s obscured). Matsuda appeared in the second issue, but quickly became a close friend of the true protagonist, Yōji Yukito (who’s more of a Kiba type, lean and agile). He then literally DIED towards the end of the manga, RESURRECTING shortly after and gaining a series of his own, The Matsuda. He’s almost always seen with sunglasses and with a motorbike suit…
Yeah, pretty much like D.D.
In Black Angels there also was a minor supporting character, the only semi-comic sidekick: Hashimu, a short and fat boy. To kill his opponents, he used a testicle claw, but he was surprisingly agile for his body. He also used a ROLLING ATTACK.
The surprising thing is that in 1979, a year before Ricky Typhoon, Hiramatsu did a FEMALE boxing AND wrestling manga, ミスター★レディー Mister★ Lady. The protagonist is Marilyn Emmanoodle, a spirited TEACHER called from America to calm down an entire school of delinquents. Using her sexy body, boxing and wrestling.
Hang on, does that pose remind you of someone…?
Right.
Marilyn immediately proceeds to beat up some delinquents who tried to rape her, using kicks and… a BUTT ATTACK.
Hello, Shooting Peach!
Marilyn defeats a school bully in a boxing match in the first chapters, then enters a pro-wrestling tournament facing every first-class champion of the time (Andre the Giant, Billy Robinson, Mil Mascaras…), but everyone has his name changed EXCEPT Giant Baba. In the final match, she finally shows her finishing move against Abdullah the Butcher (here renamed BITCHER, ROTFL): the PUSSY ROLLING DROP.
Aka Mika’s Paradise Hold in SFZ3, or better still her SFV’s Wingless Airplane. The EX version even has the frontflip in the air (while SFZ3’s Paradise Hold rolled on the ground).
Basically, Mika and Tiffany had the same inspiration. Of course, things aren’t so simple: Mika ALSO drew HEAVILY from another manga, but that’s another story… That I’ll tell TOMORROW.
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Yes, I knew that, but this is a case of REVERSE homage. It’s Tar-chan paying homage to SF: the anime came out in 1994, well AFTER SF2’s release. The sumō wrestler wasn’t in the original manga.
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I dont have time to read all this but I assume it justifies the existence of this thread, the story loving nerds in it and their proclivity to defend the continued existence of non-FG gameplay abomination in future genre releases.
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