this is the best question i’ve ever read on srk.
I’m dead serious man. I’ve hit that shit plenty of times but this time its killing me. I think it might be because of the very low level of competition out here and I just do have enough top level tourney experience. Their are only a few hot players but they are hard to find and are hours from me.
yes lets please not clutter with excrement the first real Q+A thread in a long while. Read and learn and enjoy
@ no one in particular
How important is re flying?, because i hear mixed answers about it and there’s players who don’t use it and have a very good sentinel like X.
Thank you.
Potter, have you seen match vids of the low-tier player Kanu? You know, the one that plays Bison, Sim and Hulk in Japan? What is your opinion of him and his skills? Do you perhaps know how other low-tier players could learn from him?
(Tells VDO to watch for Robust’s response…)
straight up interested in what you think about Japan marvel in general.
Its very important, most of your block strings wit sent involve reflying. Also will doing these strings and pokes if someone tries to jump and get hit wit the short you used to poke them. You can do a free refly combo just cause they moved. Also a little extra damage never hurt noone, ever pixel counts 
As far as Desmond’s Sent goes its very good, but i feel he misses out on extra catches he would have gotten if he reflys more.
I really gotta practice that. I can’t train my hand to go back to neutral after I fly. Do you pause the stick for a second at neutral or just pass over the contact on your way to whatever direction to hold to attack?
Potter do you go on aim a lot? Busy with law school stuff, doesn’t look like you would be online a lot.
yo potter, i got another question, is the rom infinite mag’s best infinite?
i ask because i rather do sj. lk lk, adf lk lk hp hk, land, repeat. but it only works on a standing sentinel 
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and potter’s not comin back lol :sad:
maybe Deus ought to answer that question as he is resident mvc9 guru
i’ll take a stab at it tho,
a lotta ppl think that lk lk addf lk lk hp hk is the best option in that scenario. this is wrong. what you really wanna do is dashing invisible lp crosswards flail x-up lp lk lk lplpl hp hk cancel whooomf ice cream scoop and then grundle-cut upper back to rom.
please note that the timing is very strict (several just-frames) and you MUST set the dreamcast’s internal clock to january 4th 1999 (opposite day).
I’ve felt that way at least 15 times, if not more while playing marvel. Surprisingly, most of them started AFTER I was winning tournaments. The wall that you describe is a little bit different than the one i’ve hit; i’ve felt that I couldn’t get better, that my style wasn’t good enough, that I couldn’t beat a certain player, that I couldn’t beat a certain team. How did I overcome them? I haven’t overcome all of them and I probably won’t. Tournament play, I feel, is the best for you guys to overcome, but it also takes the longest. I’ve seen it progress with my friends and even the best players in the world. For instance, I remember the first ncr when chunksta was just some kid around my age who really wasn’t good. I was already considered a “top-player” but my track record was barely noticeable. He lost around 2-3 rounds in, but I knew that his potential was almost limitless. He executed combos perfectly and made the most technical parts of marvel look easy. However, it took my next ncr, the one I won, that everything came full circle. He was now one of the best. Rowtron was there, Randy lew, cableguy, Bill, most of the beasts of so cal, and he made it to second. It took him about 3 years to become a good tournament player. It took me about the same amount of time. It was so hard entering the 100+ man tournies at shgl and only placing 66th or something like that. It was great to watch my favorite players in the top 10, but that made me question, why not me? It took about 2 solid years of losing consistently at shgl monthlies for about 2+ years. It used to be so tight to be 33rd in a 128 man tourney. A funny fact that people didn’t know, or what could have happened, at the tourney where sanford lost to jose garcia twice and combo won, I had jose on the ropes, I was up 1-0, then had him down and he pulled out two miracles the next two matches. Who knows what might have happened if I had won. But those was my limitations; I was not clutch and didn’t have the experience to get further than 33rd. I used to play a lot at shgl during weekdays, so that improved my game immensely. Getting to watch soo, david l, shady k, genghis, duc, combo, clock, junior b, alice valle, etc. playing each other for hours at a time was how I learned the game. I imitated then developed my own style. I actually still do that. I use the best tactics that I’ve incorporated over the years and made it my own.
The next wall was style, as I mentioned a earlier, it took a while to discover my own style. maybe that was why i kept losing at shgl? Maybe that’s why i keep losing to more experienced players? I didn’t know until 03’ @ ucla one of the most epic tournaments ever, after I lost to sanford i knew my style/team was outclassed. storm/sent was the way to go and it was time to move the movement. One problem: there weren’t many good storm/sent players aside from junior b and david lee. They were a lot better than I was. the transition was rough at first. It was back at ssquare one. I had become a top 20 finisher at tournaments, but reverted to lower than that. I knew in the long run it would pay off, and it did. It paid off in 04’ after shgl closed. I had become an elite player in so cal. A consisten top 5 finisher. My storm sent learned on the fly and I still had the magneto skills from all the years before, so I had the dexterity/speed that most storm sents lacked. My style was different, it was innovative, it was risky, it was new. Having no one to learn from, I learned from just playing. I made my own strats and evolved from them. Then came evo 03 of was it 04? The cal poly one. I was upset because I felt I was good enough to be on the 5 on 5. I felt I was just as good as the captain (genghis) and had beat him the past two tournament finals. And when I did lose it was ALWAYS 3-2, 2-3, 3-2. I could hang, but the rest of the world didn’t know it. After that evo, when I was 2 matches from top 8 everything changed. New determination, new focus, new hunger. I start DOMINATING tournaments. I was the best, I knew it. No one could tell me different. I was wining regency/cgl tournies left and right and not just winning but leaving donuts on my loss record. I figured it out. I knew how to win and my style was at its peak I went to Texas that year and placed top 3 after losing to combo, who had just come back from the army. We also had epic battles. going into evo I knew it was my year. FINALLY, i cracked top 8. Then I learned, yes i can win local tournies, maybe even regional ones, but top 8 @ evo is even a grander scale. I lost to randy lew, he still had my number at that point. That would be the last time I ever lost to him in tournament. I learned after that point, that leaning many teams might be better than sticking to one team. This, although arguable, definitely paid off. I beat individual players with individual teams with different tactics one different players. This meant a lot I had to learn 8-10x as much as i did before. But hey, if you want to be on top, you have to put in the work. I continued my domination in 05, still winning, still hungry. I tasted top 8, now I wanted EVERYTHING. This year at evo was the strongest I’ve ever been mentally. This was when baby yipes was starting to make noise. I still had my doubts. I finished top 8 @ ecc that year and felt that I had made my name known nationwide. I could win anywhere and everywhere. Trust me, until you’ve gone to ecc as a WC player you haven’t felt hate. Everyone there was rooting against me every single second of every match. My losses to them, at least from their emotions, was as important as their first born. Back to evo. I make it to semis easily out of my pool. I’m jittery. I know this is my year, but focus and mental strength is hard to keep up while you’re waiting around for hours to play semis. I have to play Phat toi, my boy. It sucks and we were pissed but one had to win. I did. Then I find out I have to play young yipes. Well, back then I wasn’t letting anything get to me. I beat him 2-1 with sscable. One more amtch until top 8 IN WINNERS. Fuck yeah. I take down my next match with ease. I’m top 8 in winners. Lets get this fucking money. I find out i have to play chris s. Up until then I hadn’t lost to him either. But I knew how good he was. He would roll up to ffa every two weeks astronomically better each time. He actually had beaten soo that year. Still, i kept reminding myself that I hadn’t lost to him and I couldn’t lose when it mattered most. I ended up winning 2-1 in the most epic match i’ve ever been in. I should have lost. WF of evo, lets go. I play duc. I had beaten him at psm m2 weeks before EASY. I knew I had it, but I had to play perfect. I knew it. Could I do it in the winners finals of evo? Yes. I was up 1-0, and then second match I became mindfucked. He randomly snapped me out, after I was winning, and killed my captain commando. ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS? DASH UP SNAP BACK IN EVO WINNERS FINALS? WOW. I couldn’t recover from that. It was over. The dream ended. Yes there were loser finals against yipes who i had already beaten, but that snap back ended my run.
Evo 06 I was complacent. Top 8 2 yrs in a row, 3rd best last year. Shit was a lock. i stopped playing as much, stopped enter as many tournaments. I was the best in so cal. All the top players knew what was up. Aside from a few players, no one was fucking with me. However, that mentality, althought my usual outlook, bit me in the ass when evo rolled around. I played yipes again and he beat me in literally under 2 minutes, FOR BOTH MATCHES. He was just too good now. Then I played erik who had beaten me at ecc TWICE. Miserable. The new young cats from ny had my number.
New wall: overcoming players that had my number. At this point i figured out how to beat spiral, but it didn’t matter. I could beat it here, but when it mattered. I wasn’t as hungry anymore. Life in general became more important, but still I don’t like to lose. So I had to rethink how to beat players that seemed a lot better than me: erik arroyo and Michael Mendoza. I only get to play them once a year in tournament. I can’t blow it anymore. I get my chance at evo 07. Finally, 2 years of losing to erik and I had my chance in semis. I lost because of choking. Of all things I choked. 5-6 years of competitive play and I lost the match. Again, I have to deal with erik gloating. I always got it the worse because we had THEE marvel rivalry of the period. Two player who were the most versatile on their coast who could place top 3 at evo any given year. I made it to top 8 again. Back at it. However, this was the most talented and fiercest top 8 ever: wong, sanford, yipes, d.hyo, chris s, erik, myself, and gnat. gnat was that years eder imo, but even he was stepping his shit up. He qualified in winners. I lost to chris s., but he was a better player. He was the WC last hope to take over EC dominance. Captain of team 3. Anyways, I did not overcome those mindblocks. Instead I developed a new one: msp. MSP was becoming ridiculous and it was just unfun. So I couldn’t beat erik, or yipes, and now, apparently, msp players are godlike. Really, msp players that I had been whooping for years and years, all of sudden are the new piff. Okay. This game became gay to me at that point. I, being the versatile player I am, used the team too. It was just stupid where msp became. I knew it, everyone at the top knew it. Even justin, a tradition storm/sent player, the stable of the ss community began using msp. Bad sign ss players. Bad sign. I became indifferent to marvel. So I did not overcome some of these walls, but I know that I ALWAYS play my best in tournaments. I don’t get nervous and I am either a) outplayer (however rarely) or b) snapped twice. That’s the new wall. I don’t have time to play anymore, but I will play to the best of my ability. The robust of 05’ would not settle for this, he would be ashamed, but its 2007, time to grow the fuck up. So, that’s pretty much the wall I am at right now. People don’t even understand the legacy of the “og” marvel players but relish in their victories in casual. LOL. I can’t even play casual anymore. Where’s the intensity? I love competition when shit is on the line. That’s why I lose money matches. Anyways, I am pretty much done with marvel so those walls I hit in 06-07 are not important. I don’t consider myself a competitive player. I gave it a shot at evo 08, but lost to double snap. what a surprise. That was the last straw. No more of this game. The benefits of this: I can teach my philosophy of marvel to everyone who wants to learn, and hopefully influence the next great player (if marvel is still around).
Didn’t respond because I was writing a research paper + internet was down. sorry for the errors, didnt’ want to edit that much lol
It’s funny that I take credit for realizing how use refly, the hard version with flying lk, unfly refly lk, but I cannot actually execute it that well. I don’t use it because my general policy is: if I can’t do it consistently (over 75%), its not worth learning/incorporating. I try to do it for lockdown, but I cannot execute it to capitalize off of random lks into max damage. Its a good habit though, just because it improves your ground lockdown and gives you a faster sent general. The best of the best can do it consistently and can kill you with the refly off of a flying lk. I actually posted earlier about refly. Maybe you were too busy posting nothing relevant to thread. Anyways, it doesn’t make one player better than another, but at high levels you can definitely see the advantages that the reflying sentinel has. All top sents refly for lockdown, but the best do it when a sent jumps to get max damage. Even then I can name the players that can do it consistently with one hand. heh. Also, remix gave a great analysis. Good shit NELLY NEL!
Low tier: waste of time. No reason to learn it unless you’re trying to have fun with the game. that’s cool and all, but very few mid tiers characters are even playable in tournament scenarios. Sorry, not interested. I saw that japanese player, and his opponent is terrible. And when he finally played right against low tiers he made a one character comeback on that japanese players whole team.
rom on standing sentinel? Doesnt matter the variation you do when hes on the ground. What’s important is that you use as little hits as possible to get him into the corner to put him in tempest.
Japanese marvel is whatever. there are like 3-4 really good players who haven’t had to deal with the evolution of marvel. they’re training mode/video watching players. they lose to stupid gimmicks that haven’t worked in america in over 3-4 years. It sucks because they are legitimate tourney contenders. But at evo, they cannot handle the diversity or the high level of play. they just don’t have the competition. Unfortunate as it may be, that’s just the way shit works. What is our excuse in 3s? LOLOLOL Marvel players are the best players in the U.S. we’re the only players who conquered japan and all other parts in the world. If you’re top 5 in the U.S. you’re top 5 in the world. Is mahvel baybee
The way I see it is Marvel progresses and different players take advantage of different things. Back then it was people taking advantage of their opponents not knowing how to fight trap teams, remember those matches where you lost to Duc at PSM? Right now it’s the age of Magneto but I think it will go back to SS+anti-air teams. I can see where your frustration is coming from because playing other teams if you are much better you have a much easier time but against a Magneto player that has execution down but is still worse than you, you are still forced to stay at your S+ game or the Mag player will get that hit/reset and beat you.
Playing against a Magneto player requires you to focus a lot more and not make mistakes, but I think it’s a wall that you and others can overcome.
Also, you said that you still try your best but don’t consider yourself a competitive player, what do you mean by this? Everybody has school/work/family/etc to deal with, that doesn’t mean you can’t play Marvel every now and then. If it doesn’t kill you, it only makes you stronger. I don’t think a player should quit a game just because you hit a wall.
Also please answer my questions from before I think you skipped them.
I asked how to get in at a keep away thrax/matrix with MSS and Combofiend, with every character.
I don’t want to answer any of your questions. You’re one of the posters i feel is taking away from the potential of what this thread can become. Take it as you like. And i know people have life/family/other shit, but there are players who still play 10-30 hours a week. I don’t know their circumstances but I invest about that amount of time just reading for school. lol. I already addressed this question earlier as well.
IF DUES quotes you saying your tactics are miserable, they are. I am not going to quote strats that he has already addressed.
I stopped posting tactics and I reread the thread, I still don’t know how to fight a keep away matrix/thrax when I’m Magneto, IronMan, or Sentinel without an anti-air. I want to know your strategy because mine is “miserable.” Actually I think you mean stop posting Marvel related stuff all together except question, my bad. <-- This is ElderGOD publicly saying he’s at fault.
Are you also saying that lets say someone plays Marvel like 5 hours a month, does that mean that person should quit? Honest opinion. Is it mandatory to play 10-30 hours a week to be good?
Thanks for your response, you too nelson.:wgrin: