Zangief Whining Thread

I made 8 bucks the other night money matching my friends. Us Gief players are serious high-rollers.

**FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!!!**BUFFING THE RED CYCLONE!!!

No Banishing Flat?? NP!!Just buff the %$#@ out of the Express!
**
SIBERIAN EXPRESS**
Increase his Run Speed and Start up
ONE ARMOR,so he can get through some pokes and Fireball setups.
Increased V Guage Gain when damaged
**
EX SIBERIAN EXPRESS**
Faster and Stronger than SE.Absorbs up to 3 hits.

SCREW PILE DRIVER
EX SPD
2 frames and invincible on start up
Increased Damage to 260
Shortest distance to opponent after hit.
I’m tired of getting beat at close range by normals man that stuff is insulting!

DOUBLE LARIAT
Reduce the Start up to like 7 and return the Upper body Invincibility.
V-TRIGGER Cancellable

EX TRIPLE LARIAT
KKK
Hits 3 Times,Projectile Invincible,Juggles Airborne enemies,will cause a Crush Counter on Counter Hit.
V-TRIGGER Cancellable

V-TRIGGER-CYCLONE LARIAT
One Armor on activation.
CA Cancellable on hit.

**
BOLSHOI RUSSIAN SUPLEX**
^%$# this $#@! and give me back FAB. I’m all for change sometimes but BRS still looks ridiculous.

FINAL ATOMIC BUSTER
1 frame Start up and Invincible.
100100200 Damage.Final Attack creates a massive shock wave.
300 Stun.
Yeah that’s right i said it. STUN on a CA.Why not?!!

**
NORMALS**
HEADBUTT can now Crush Counter and cause that sexy crumple state.
KNEE HAMMER + 2 on Block,increased range
Standing HP (hold)-Auto Corrects if enemy gets behind you
Crouching HP-Quicker Recovery,Increased hitbox upwards,easier to hit enemies directly above you.

Gief kind of sucks as is, but I don’t think I’d want him at triple S tier…

Too much you think??? It was the Cyclone Lariat into FAB combo wasn’t it?

make st.hp charge cancelable by pressing a kick button (like makotos hayate in sf4)

Sucks? Nah man he’s top 5 didn’t you know? Lariat is one of most broken moves in the game and cr.jab is just unfair remember? Gief is borderline broken and should be nerfed to oblivion.

Yeah sure i’m all for that. They also got to do something about his Mediums. st.MK,cr.MK,st.MP,cr.MP,nobody ever uses them in the neutral except for Knee Hammer. Increase the Hitbox forward,reduce the recovery,change the advantage on block,adjust something so he has better options to play footsies besides cr.LP and st.HP.

I actually do use st.mk, cr.mk and st.mp in footsies…

st.mk is nice for beating/whiffpunishing high pokes (karins st.mk, necallis st.hk for example),
st.mk for low pokes (sweeps)

cr.mk for trigger cancels because it has very good reach (not the initial cancel with freeze, just the following)

only thing I dont find much use for is cr.mp

cr.mp is decent for meaty pressure or some risky counter poking

I dunno G i think those mediums need some adjusting to make them more viable come Season 2. Personally i think they’re mediocre at best.I watch a lot of vids to try and up my game,hardly see any Giefs using them.

I think Gief has enough attacking options as it is, it’s his defence that needs some shoring up. He only needs one change to be viable in tournaments; make Lariat hit on the first frame. It doesn’t even need any invincible properties, just make it active on startup. His biggest flaw is that you can rush him down with impunity, and a last second Lariat that is instantly active would have won me many matches that I lost instead.

At first I thought this would make him overpowered in some of his matchups. However, since Lariat has 35 recovery frames, bait and punish will be a viable strategy against you if you get too Lariat-happy. People would have to adapt and come to terms with not being able to mindlessly rush in and press buttons anymore.

Maybe they could reverse the frame buffs on his normals and the duration of his V-trigger to balance him out again.

Yeah that threw me for a loop too, at first. From playing sf4 I was used to people actually being afraid to approach gief. In sfv people just rush the shit out of me because my vskill is more risk than reward, vreversal is just a short timeout and there are no “real” defensive options (armor frame one/ inv. frames).

If im not fucking on point with aa jabs, Im basically free

It would be nice if the Gief royalty like Stupendous (does he even post on SRK?) Snake Eyez and Slaynman would give their two cents on this. I wonder what they would change.

Everyone knows Gief is completely free on wakeup, there really isn’t much more to say tbh.

True, but I’d like to see exactly what they would change. Would someone like Itazan who beats people left and right even want to change anything at all? I’d find it hard to imagine that even he is completely content with the current Gief.

I doubt he’s content with the current state Gief is in. I’m sure if CAPCOM came knocking he would gladly give feedback if he was asked. The amazing thing is he has dedicated his time and skill to a low tier character and found a way to make it work!

No decent Gief player would or should be happy with this current state but that’s just my opinion. I’m probably slightly bias cause I hate the game. Also Capcom doesn’t go to players like Itazan, they go to bitching online scrubs who don’t know how to play SF. This game was specifically made for them.

LOL!!

Sad but true! They listen to the vocal minority and with a lot of them screaming NERFthey actually did it.

I remember watching Snake Eyes on stream once and he admitted he thought Gief was crap !! I can only feel for his pain because this is a man (like myself)whose been playing Gief since SSF2Turbo. He devotion is admirable but like Daigo,maybe its time he should switch mains.

I’m eagerly awaiting the SUPER SFV Season 2 changes to see what CAPCOM comes up with next.

I agree, the game is catered to the lowest common denominator. It’s dumbed down to appease to the scrubs instead of implementing ways to teach them. I think this is a problem with society as a whole, but this is neither the time nor the place to get into that.

I don’t like the game much either, yet I still continue to play it. If anything, it says a lot about the allure of the series that so many long-time fans are willing to put up with this abomination.

We put up with Marvel 3

We put up with SFV

We’ll put up with Marvel Infinite

We’ll also go pro in Fantasy Strike

Gief is solid mid