Wow! Just played against Bison #8!!! Ultra Gold!!!
And I won!!! and he didn’t disconnect!!!
Guys…I almost just died. I just went and examined giefs v trigger properties and realized… you can do a meaty v trigger suction and depending on how close you manage to suck them in with the final active frames you can be up to +12 if they block the suction. On hit…up to +21.
I’ve even set the dummy to mash a 3 frame jab reversal timing after they block the suction when I do the timing right, and gief can jab them first.
God.damn.
But this seems too good to be true, can you guys play around with this? I don’t have time right now but I was seeing if I could combo the meaty suction into st.hp to confirm zangief is as positive as this suggests, but I just don’t have the time atm, I will later today though.
If this works, then, wow…this makes zangief absolutely terrifying when he has v trigger, and not simply just a projectile punish/gimmick.
And as for the opponent doing something to avoid the suction, I tried waking up various ways with Ken and he was simply stuck. Holding up as you get up will just get you sucked in, and his dps didn’t help either. His ex dp managed to get him out for a second and was able to clip gief, but because of how his ex dp stops for a moment, gief can block the second half of his ex dp and get a cc vtrigger combo.
with this, heavy or ex spd, tap v-trigger almost immediately, headbutt. Around +10 on block if done right, so if they block the suction the headbutt is a frame trap, if the suction hits the headbutt can combo. Pretty nifty but v-trigger has to be already active for anything I tried doing.
EDIT: here have a video demonstration
Back a page I saw a neat reset combo v trigger cyclone to late St.HK buffer into MP spd. Very fun mixup after landing a few of the ex air spds. Take it a step further and instead of doing MP spd, hit them with super when they land. Over 600 damage.
Edit: Like this.
https://youtu.be/q7J_1D2F5K8
can someone please use this song if they make a zangief combo video
I sorta feel bad about not mentioning this information to you guys.
Snake Eyez told me about this a couple of weeks ago (Not about the frame data, but just that you get alot of frame advantage). It’s one of the reasons why I was scratching my head as to why my SPD’s would whiff after doing Meaty f.HP.
I assumed this was common info. My bad!
Also, I found that it doesn’t have to be counterhit to get the combo into sweep; just has to hit on the last frame. It’s really hard though.
Gief getting almost no love at Winter Brawl sadly. The one or two on stream have been god awful.
I don’t know how much this is general knowledge, but here have some v-triggerless armor stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKkE6NM_hiw&feature=youtu.be
ima put description in the video here too - doing v-skill standing still gets you 1 hit of armor immediately and one more hit of armor until he auto flexes. moving forward will give you 2 hits of armor.
so basically using the v-skill to absorb a hit immediately and another hit, then pressing forward will give you max 4 hits of armor without v-trigger
So…what’s the best method to buffering 720? Getting it from jabs and shorts is hard for me, can’t do it.
The way I do it from shorts is, for example:
cr. lp > qcf + lk > neutral > 2147
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkfhCTxtFgU&feature=youtu.be
Yup, a lot of people who played SF4 have yet to find the wonders of meaty attacks because you can get both high frame advantage as well as combos you normally couldn’t. They are quite good in this game.
I hate the SFV zangief so fucking much
As I expected before, gief is generally considered to be the worst character in the game
All the core tools from Zangief are unreliable/removed now
Lariat can not be used for anti air anymore, it can also not generate meter, so it’s only function is to get a combo on a standing opponent ONLY
The removal of GH make me fight with fireball characters like a retard. DAMN
Fireball characters can spam their fireball without thinking since u can do no treats to them until you have V-Trigger. Headbutts can neutralize fireballs? Who fucknig cares? You have no reward on neutralizing it. I can continue spam my fireballs to gief without worry.
RBG can not be used like Hugo’s, you can grab opponent from long range with Hugo; due to its huge hitbox and extremely fast running speed.
Gief’s RBG has a OK-Fast start up, it is OK to be used in mid-close range, but you can not use it in far range due to its poor running speed and small hit box.
5F spd without any invincibility frames: means that you already get jabbed out your SPD, and you can not use it during wake up.
He only has a lariat combos on standing opponents only before you have a V-Trigger
But even you have V-Trigger, you can not combo your V-Trigger from jabs directly.
His wake up game is EXTREMELY poor
Huge nerf on the hitbox of jumping MK, I always whiffed my JMK on crouching opponents
The real buff comparing from SF4 only have two:
- He got a air SPD now
- He got a functional standing HP now
but these small buff can fucking not compensate the total loss of all his other tools
FUCK YOU CAPCOM
Well the good news is that he’ll get buffed eventually. 5 frame spd sucks. Lariat whiffing on crouching really sucks. You forgot another improvement though, combo into 720 is pretty sweet.
So parry is not a buff?
Biggest buff though is no more 8-2 Matchups.
You know, it is really hard to land CA combo compare with other characters, so i don’t count CA combo is a buff.
When will he get buffed?
He can combo into 720 in USFIV too
All characters can combo into their CA, not only gief
lol, all character get his own new V-Skills due to the new SFV system
Thus all characters are buffed??
Oh! Zangief got a huge buff because he has a V-Skill!
gief still got 8-2 matchups
Dhalism, nash, Fang are impossible for gief to win
