Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

Tofu_Warrior · 2016-02-25T19:59:33.000Z

But anti-air s.LP puts your opponent right next to you, and leaves you at a huge frame advantage. You should be able to beat every Nash that spams moonsaults.

ensane · 2016-02-25T23:40:40.000Z

Snake Eyes is freaking ridiculous.

TheSupaSage · 2016-02-26T00:23:31.000Z

What should i be practicing the most in Lab?
i tend to just practice hit confirms but i dont know what else to do

Marsh_D_Teach · 2016-02-26T02:18:49.000Z

I think I have a good idea of how zangief needs to play in this game due to watching snake eyez last night.

Gief’s meaty game in sfv is meant to do the opposite of sf4, this time around we want people to not block and force them to use risky options (reversals). Everyone has noticed how suddenly now that cc’s exist and there’s no fadc, Noone wants to dp anymore? It has to be forced out of them.

Alot of the gief meaties or reset situations (like AAing with st.lp) leave gief in a situation where as long as he spaces himself correctly (like hitting with the tip of st.hk as a meaty or putting a little bit of distance between himself and the opponent as they air reset from his st.lp) if the opponent does anything besides an invincible move or jump/backdash, they’ll lose to light spd/ex spd. Once they realize that they have to do one of these things, St. Hk/ air spd get to work real quick

As for neutral, besides the intricate things that we’ll have to know for each matchup, the GENERAL gameplan when possible is…I dunno how to describe, but, gief basically brawls this time around in neutral. Sometimes he’s using v skill to discourage heavy attacks for fear of getting spd’d, the next minute he’s checking lighter buttons with cr.jab (which, alot of the time if you’re jab checking lights/mediums, you’re in position for a light/maybe ex spd afterwards like snake did last night), and then the next minute gief is using mp, fmk, stmk, st.fp , etc to make the opponent want to beat him back with stronger buttons, which leads back into the threat of v skill

SongWithinaSong · 2016-02-26T02:25:18.000Z

filldoh:

Mika is faster but does less damage, fair trade off.

I have to disagree. Mika has combos that put Giefs damage to shame. Her footsies aren’t as good but from a pure damage viewpoint she’s superior.

Also, does hit confirming to lariat whiff on crouching opponents or is it about range/me sucking? It seems to whiff constantly when I’m playing online.

ensane · 2016-02-26T06:30:11.000Z

It whiffs.

Gunmad · 2016-02-26T06:47:33.000Z

Cr. mk > buffer 720 > walk > CA is getting me so many wins holy shit.

Sanjieph · 2016-02-26T08:17:02.000Z

What’s exactly the advantage of the Ex SPD?

hit invincibility? faster startup?

Redie · 2016-02-26T08:37:08.000Z

Gunmad:

Cr. mk > buffer 720 > walk > CA is getting me so many wins holy shit.

Can you make a vid for this pplz ? Include the setups :o

Cestus · 2016-02-26T10:00:23.000Z

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fehj9ncfrSA

drunkards_walk · 2016-02-26T12:25:39.000Z

HonZoMon:

Zangiefs_chest_beard:

I went on serious tilt today playing vs nothing but karin, sim and zangief mirrors. At least i got some mu experience but went from 2400 to 1500. RIP me. Not that matters.

I feel you bro. I popped a salt vein last night and ended up rage quitting like 4 matches. This happened after I had two people rage quit on me and then proceeded to get eaten by flowchart Mikas, plus Rashids who had their stick stuck in the jump motion all match. Currently for me the Rashid matchup is like licking a cactus. It can be done but the patience and finesse has to be real. One slip up and it goes downhill xD

I mained Cody in SF4, so I can’t help but notice the similarities with SF5 gief in the sense that you are a beast while you are standing (epic pokes/anti air). But when that knock down comes… it’s time to become a blocking/reads genius as your wake up option. Obviously I’m still ass, so maybe that’s got a lot to do with it. However dealing with Necalli/Rashid/Mika wakup pressure hella painful.

So not liking the way somebody is playing is grounds for a rage quit now? SMH, this rage quitting is going to get a lot worse before it gets better considering people are trying to justify it now…

Marsh_D_Teach · 2016-02-26T13:09:52.000Z

Ohhhh shit.

Guys, if you time f.hp to hit on its last active frame as a meaty, it becomes +4 on block (FUCK) and +9 on hit. More so, if it lands as a couterhit, it becomes +10 on hit letting you combo into sweep(confirmed a combo by the game when the f.hp is timed correctly)

This really improves the post situation in both cases, since now we have more frames to work with /combo with.

In case of them blocking it, gief can do spd and they’re only escape will be to jump/backdash or do a move that becomes invincible on frame 1 since there’s only a 1 frame gap for them to do anything. Otherwise, FREE SCOOP.

In case of a hit without a couterhit state for whatever reason, gief could combo into st.mk and be put at a range where I don’t think any jabs will reach him, but he can light/ex spd them, and if they decide to jump/backdash after eating the st.mk, I think st. Hk will still catch them.

Gunmad · 2016-02-26T15:11:11.000Z

Sanjieph:

What’s exactly the advantage of the Ex SPD?

hit invincibility? faster startup?

It has the same frame data as other spds, but for the most part it’s positioning + damage. Do ex spd > walk > ex spd > whiff cr. Lp > hk to catch backdashes.

Redie:

Gunmad:

Cr. mk > buffer 720 > walk > CA is getting me so many wins holy shit.

Can you make a vid for this pplz ? Include the setups :o

I can do the vid, but I don’t really have setups for this gimmick yet

LLStoolJ · 2016-02-26T16:04:25.000Z

Sanjieph:

What’s exactly the advantage of the Ex SPD?

hit invincibility? faster startup?

Its only Throw invulnerable

LLStoolJ · 2016-02-26T16:50:50.000Z

Cristian88:

What is CC?

Crush Counter

chief713 · 2016-02-26T20:54:23.000Z

Marsh_D_Teach:

Ohhhh shit.

Guys, if you time f.hp to hit on its last active frame as a meaty, it becomes +4 on block (FUCK) and +9 on hit. More so, if it lands as a couterhit, it becomes +10 on hit letting you combo into sweep(confirmed a combo by the game when the f.hp is timed correctly)

This really improves the post situation in both cases, since now we have more frames to work with /combo with.

In case of them blocking it, gief can do spd and they’re only escape will be to jump/backdash or do a move that becomes invincible on frame 1 since there’s only a 1 frame gap for them to do anything. Otherwise, FREE SCOOP.

In case of a hit without a couterhit state for whatever reason, gief could combo into st.mk and be put at a range where I don’t think any jabs will reach him, but he can light/ex spd them, and if they decide to jump/backdash after eating the st.mk, I think st. Hk will still catch them.

Off of EX SPD, are you close enough to get F.HP, sweep? If so, then that’s scary as fuck.

Marsh_D_Teach · 2016-02-26T20:58:29.000Z

If they don’t quickrise due to the threat of getting meatied by st.fp or st.hk, you’ll have time to set up the f.hp into potential sweep again.

chief713 · 2016-02-26T21:02:30.000Z

F.HP has stupid range tho. I know for a fact that off of EX SPD you can meaty with F.HP, even if they quickrise. I’m just not sure if you’re close enough for the sweep after.

Kyle_Hyde · 2016-02-26T23:06:42.000Z

chief713:

F.HP has stupid range tho. I know for a fact that off of EX SPD you can meaty with F.HP, even if they quickrise. I’m just not sure if you’re close enough for the sweep after.

You are. Tried it out an hour or so ago.

chief713 · 2016-02-26T23:28:30.000Z

Oh, man that’s good. Nice finds yall.