Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

[twocoins]

Yeah about that noob audience…Capcom is notorious for nerfing “OP” characters who are “scrub killers” who are not even top tier and drop lower down in the tier list because of that. Maybe they cut out the middleman. :o

[twocoins]

To play a little devil’s advocate, SPD damage was also ass in SFA3 and that is one of the best versions of Gief.

My point is, even assuming he can be good and win, why ruin the gameplay archetype?
Ridicolous dmg and health to compensate lack of speed and need to get close
It worked
Now he seem more a char you can stand and bang with using anybody without particular fear, wich is kinda ridicolous imho

Gief as now seem a tank without the cannon, lol

It’s like a Sim without stretchy arms… even assuming is good/competitive why ruin the archetype he is supposed to represent?

Almost every returning character is different. This is nothing new. Bison has no walk speed anymore and his special moves especially in V Trigger work very differently, Vega is a motion character and lost cosmic heel and some other attacks, Karin is basically a new character and her rekkas are completely different and locked only onto V Trigger, only thing similar about Birdie is headbutts and some normals, R.Mika is basically a new character, the list goes on.

People really need to just sit themselves down on a chair for a bit and part with the fact that these returning characters are made to be fresh for a new game. They don’t want you to play the exact same Gief from the last prequel. They’re more a combination of a bit of the old, mixed in with a lot of new. They want to give you a new gameplay experience with each character and the V Skill and V Triggers on top of that really give them a lot of new options for that. It’s a new game, you’ll get new stuff.

This character has armor (infinite armor in V Trigger), vacuum that eats whiffed pokes and specials, comboable EX/super grab and air SPD. If you think you’re going to be able to just sit and toe to toe vs a SnakeEyez or Cantona level Zangief months or a year after the game is out, good luck with that. You won’t want to be near this Gief just like all the other Giefs.

People are saying he’s suppose to be a “traditional” grappler. But his spd does not seem to be better than the other grapplers in damage, range or startup. I mean Combofiend was all about fundamentals and he didn’t really show anything advance or what we already don’t know… all his mixup were typical tic grabs… that mika, laura and birdie can ALSO do or do or better, with better tools and actually high damaging combos.

And Birdie apparently still has his standing short combo, so that alone is better since headbutt is a great tool to send opponents to the corner, lead to tic grabs, fram traps etc.

And if his spd can be combo, then it probably has to be literally kissing his opponent or he will be to far i reckon or only has to be on jump ins. His megaton punch has 1 armour but did someone say lows beat it outright? Where lows are pretty dominant footsie tool people like to use alot.

I don’t see how these are knee jerk reactions. When we’re looking at it in a objectively.

Ultra David already mentioned that his s.MP and s.MK both stuff low attacks really well. A potentially armored punch (when charged) that stuffs all lows would be a bit much so I’m not sure if that’s possible. This game is designed around having a normal for every situation. If your character is throwing out a normal, your character most likely has normal to stuff it. There aren’t any default for many situations normals like Adon s.HK anymore. You will have to run through your normal set regularly in each matchup now.

Gief seems like he’ll be nearly the hardest character to land a clean hit on when optimized. Especially once his V Trigger is figured out. As long as he’s standing on his feet with V Trigger the options to clean hit him will become very limited with his infinite armor on his V Skill. If he’s closing in on you with that stuff active you will have to choose what you attack with extremely carefully. A lot of medium and heavy normals will be extremely risky to throw at him. Whiff a bad poke or special and get sucked in. Sit there too long and get sucked and grabbed. Jump too late and get smacked by the cyclone after getting sucked in.

Birdie can put up more of a wall but he’s much easier to actually poke at and much more limited defensively than Gief once people close on him. Gief while on his feet has much better defensive options for absorbing/ignoring footsies.

Vs Birdie … i feel like OS standing mp, headbutt crouch mp (aa), and chain grab punish for whiffed punish and hard reads and Overhead HK (2hit). Will be more than enough against Gief.

[otori]

Honestly I don’t trust UltraDavid for what he said, exSPD can be linked into combo
I watched almost ALL SFV zangief video, but I cant see even 1 time exSPD combo
On USF4 pre-release period, UltraDavid said and confirm:
"Red focus attack can be linked from regular non-ex green hand"
I was faked by his “confirmation” and disappointed so hard

You have to take anything on the internet with a grain of salt, but other people on the internet have reported that he can combo into EX spd so you should be able to have some faith here.

I just want one video to proof this exSPD combo works

https://vine.co/v/eQ2Vdmei6MB

[metrokard]

ipw is going to do a character analysis of gief and laura so we might see some cool stuff today…also looks like green hand being out is intentional because of his V trigger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-qBhHydWEg

[RandomBS]

WSO just did short short super as a combo on stream

[Angerfist62]

Spoiler

http://www.twitch.tv/capcomfighters

Heavy SPD deals a lot of damage (Laura has 3 points of health, as much as Ryu)
You can combo into Ex SPD from a jumping Heavy (Kick, Body Press)
Forward Fierce (Headbutt) ~ Standing Strong works without counter hit. I think he said that we can combo into Ex Spd from the strong.

[Yunity]

I saw Ghodere do jump hk, cr mp xx ex spd and it took off like 1/4 life.

Assuming jump hk = 100
Cr. mp = 60
Life = 1000

Ex spd = (250 - (100 + (60*.9))) *100/80
Ex spd = 120

Ex spd seems really low, did he make a mistake, abd probably meant 1/3.

Ex spd = (333 - (100 + (60*9))) * 100/80
Ex spd = 223.75

I doubt its that, but 200 seems more of a better dmg value for his exspd.

So 100+54+160 = 314. Which seems, like a good number for a typical jump in combo.

I wonder if: jump hk, cr. mp, cr. mp xx ex spd is possible

100 * 54 * 48 * 140 = 342

Note: intentionally being low on jump hk and cr. mp

If he literally means a 1/4 life, Gief has some pedestrian dmg for punishes. I would have liked to know the stun value, cause maybe thats where he makes up for it.

[Aqua_Snake]

The reason the SPD looks like it doesn’t do alot of damage is because you’re seeing Light SPD. Heavy SPD does a lot of damage but has pathetic range (Naturally).

From what you have seen, how much dmg you think it does HP version?

I believe you, but still there is the strange low dmg on RBG, and even supposing is LK version, also normal throw (back iirc) look strange low

Heavy SPD damage was roughly 22-25% of the lifebar.

[PVL_93_RU]

The reason the SPD looks like it doesn’t do alot of damage is because you’re seeing Light SPD. Heavy SPD does a lot of damage but has pathetic range (Naturally).

From what you have seen, how much dmg you think it does HP version?

I believe you, but still there is the strange low dmg on RBG, and even supposing is LK version, also normal throw (back iirc) look strange low

Heavy SPD damage was roughly 22-25% of the lifebar.

Bah, increase that by 10-15%, then we’ll talk

[itsOneO]

I don’t see why his green glove couldn’t be his v-skill.

[melflomil]

The reason the SPD looks like it doesn’t do alot of damage is because you’re seeing Light SPD. Heavy SPD does a lot of damage but has pathetic range (Naturally).

From what you have seen, how much dmg you think it does HP version?

I believe you, but still there is the strange low dmg on RBG, and even supposing is LK version, also normal throw (back iirc) look strange low

Heavy SPD damage was roughly 22-25% of the lifebar.

Bah, increase that by 10-15%, then we’ll talk

Want an spd to do as much damage as a super…

[DevilJin_01]

This confirms what gwolfe said about small combos from Gief hurting pretty hard.

[BattleBomb]

THIS is DAMAGE, Zangief is a little baby compared to this guy AND he can do some solid combos,has better range,better v-skill and better v-trigger.
and this is pre-beta 1 footage, so stop with this “it’s too early too see if Zangief is blabla” The new Birdie is even stronger btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9KPsjWqEd0

[FatalSeabass]

Uh…you do realize that Birdie doesn’t do that kind of damage anymore, right? His damage and combos got changed. The fact that the characters go through varying changes from version to version should make you hopeful that Gief will get some loving in the future.

[gwolfe]

This confirms what gwolfe said about small combos from Gief hurting pretty hard.

don’t bother…some people are dead set in what they believe despite glaring evidence to the contrary. this whole thread is a waste of time, im only here for the drama

[Omnius]

[quote=“BattleBomb, post:493, topic:176567”]

THIS is DAMAGE, Zangief is a little baby compared to this guy AND he can do some solid combos,has better range,better v-skill and better v-trigger.
and this is pre-beta 1 footage, so stop with this “it’s too early too see if Zangief is blabla” The new Birdie is even stronger btw.

[/quote]

It’s weird to me that people feel qualified enough to judge how Gief matches up to the rest of the cast before we’ve seen the entire cast and months before the game comes out. I’m not saying be silent, by all means voice your opinion but at the same time, you talk like you KNOW he is a little baby and then you use an outdated video which has combos that don’t work anymore and damage that isn’t in this game as your evidence.

We’re so fast to grab the pitchforks and start screaming it’s the end of the world but maybe we should relax on that a little bit or at least until we get a bit more time with him and the rest of the cast in the next beta.

[DevilJin_01]

Plus no one is factoring in the new stun system either. You don’t have to do big damage to kill people quickly anymore. Just keep forcing hits out of people with heavy stun moves (I believe heavy normals for sure do more stun than they did in IV) and if you keep the pressure up they’re looking at a stun. Stun doesn’t scale as bad as it does in SFIV either. You can’t just walk away for 5 seconds and throw your stun back to 0 anymore. You can get hit, take a break, get hit again and still see your stun bar at 2/3’s stun or more. The stun bar is going to make people panic as time goes on. Forcing them to blow V Reversals which kills their ability to augment their momentum with V Trigger.

[Raz0r]

To play a little devil’s advocate, SPD damage was also ass in SFA3 and that is one of the best versions of Gief.

SFV does not have the system in place that made Gief good in A3. V-ism saved his ass in that game along with trickery bullshit.

[qOcOp]

havent been on in a while. come to gief thread and see people crying lol. am i the only one who thinks he is awesome?

[Gemini_hk]

The reason the SPD looks like it doesn’t do alot of damage is because you’re seeing Light SPD. Heavy SPD does a lot of damage but has pathetic range (Naturally).

From what you have seen, how much dmg you think it does HP version?

I believe you, but still there is the strange low dmg on RBG, and even supposing is LK version, also normal throw (back iirc) look strange low

Heavy SPD damage was roughly 22-25% of the lifebar.

Heavy/EX SPD do ass damage compared to SFIV
SFIV it did 250 damge, but now only do about 220 damage
While is have worse grab range than before

On the other side, gief’s close SHP looks like a overhead, is it?