Do you mean 7-3 or 6-4? No way in hell is it 7-3.
Even if he has an advantage against Rog, that makes two matchups in his favor; Dic and Rog. I’ll ask again: who are these unnamed characters at a disadvantage against Gief, warranting him a place in the top 10?
If you think Gief beats Boxer 7-3 you don’t know what your talking about. Yeah if you’re playing “dash happy Rogs” of course the mu will feel 7-3 lol.
Volta, I think Laura beats him pretty bad but I know most will disagree with that. What she can do once she gets going is flat out stupid. Honestly I thought she won in s1 but now it’s way worse.
Well feel free to tell PRBalrog that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about then; he said it’s 7-3. Personally I think it’s 6-4 but obviously it’s not a big difference.
He’s always said he personally sucks against Gief, even in 4 he said that a lot. He even said Boxer beat Gief in 4 but he’s just bad at the mu. I think it’s the same in 5. I think the only Gief that would give him trouble in 5 would probably be Snake cause he just mentally sux against him. Every other US Gief he would probably body pretty free in a ft10. Especially these online frauds that have so many points. Idk just my opinion. If someone said that Gief won 6-4 I could totally understand that.
The matchup may very well be 6-4 or 5.5-4.5 in Gief’s favor, I don’t know. No way it’s 7-3. Guile vs Gief is 7-3, and that’s the worst matchup in the game.
For what it’s worth, I saw 6 S2 matches between Itazan and Iwate and they won 3 each. Seemed very even, Gief may or may not have a slight advantage.
They’ll just end up using Balrog’s walk speed and counter pokes. Essentially what the Japanese players do. You know, some honest play, mixed in with some of Balrog’s trademark dishonest hit confirms. 
Rog is honest all the time all day erryday. Only way he can contend with the Red Cyclone
I think he beats akuma, Alex, rog, bison all slightly. He loses slightly to chun, Birdie, Nash, Urien. Looses bad to sim and guile.
The reason nobody picks him as a secondary is even the people that he beats it’s just by a small margin. And if he is your secondary in a first to three you stand the chance of the third game someone counter picking you with guile(who everyone can play)
Gief is an honest mid tier character that can be couterpicked.
Sometimes I think Birdie is his worst mu. This fight is a joke imo. Lets just mash backdash all day and throw out bananas and cans. Yup that’s real skill folks.
Birdie MU is brutal. I think that MU more than any other convinced me to drop Gief.
Birdie is just annoying. It’s hard to get in but once you do he has no reversal options and no way to get you off of him. This could change in season 2.1 with him having a legitimate option, this one could get much worse.
activates V-TRIGGER,slips on banana Yeaaaa good times,good times…
Outside of gief using his vskill to catch rog doing a dash punch, how is it that rog has to play any differently in this match up than vs. anyone else? While they’re frame disadvantageous, none of his dash punches are punishable by spd, which means the gief still has to guess correctly and if he’s wrong he WILL be punished (and most likely carried to the corner). Its not like gief has an invincible reversal or a move that’s strike immune. He doesn’t have anything that’s faster than what rog can do at close range. Its not like old games where throw beats jab. In fact, crouching jabs will beat just about any button gief throws out at close range, and mashing it will even beat vskill. Further unlike old games, Gief is just as susceptible to meaties as anyone else now, no reason to fear being near him on his wake up. Also, even if gief does successfully vskill a dash punch and then spd rog, the white life recovery is so bad that if gief takes even a light punch after the spd, he may as well have taken the full damage of the dash punch. The only time this isn’t an issue for gief is when he has no health anyway and vskill essentially becomes “free.”
In all seriousness, people who think gief is really scary in this game are people who are scared of what he was in older games, and don’t really realize that’s there’s no reason to be afraid of him being close in SFV (unless he earns frame advantage, making him no different than any other character).
Edit: Before anyone says anything, I do realize that gief’s CA is the exception to my statement, outside of that though, what I said is true.
I disagree with that. Rog definitely has to play different. He can’t be anywhere near as rush punch happy as he can against other characters. Yea the grey damage from it sucks, but you get 200+ damage and a setup for it. The only wrong guess that can happen with flexing his dash punch is he feints it and normal throws you out of flex; and IMO that’s really not that bad, especially since Gief has a throw invul move.
I don’t think the matchup is 7-3, but it’s pretty clear IMO that Gief dictates the pace of that matchup and Rog has to work harder.
Snake vs Punks Karin wasn’t pretty. Don’t the "experts’ always say he beats her too?
That’s the first thing I thought of. It seems that long list of characters that Gief obliterates gets shorter by the day…
I’m the only that’s hoping that with extra days they’re reconsidering some things about the coming Patch 2.1?
I mean for the counter it seem to me everybody said it’s bullshit get something so ridicolous specific, maybe give it Kolin-like use? I can imagine the shitstorm lol
Low throw for what i’ve read (did’nt played the beta) is automatic but just aesthetic… will be cool if they do it command like d+Throw working only on crouch opponents (basically as overhead), but offering some effective advantage over a normal f+Throw
I know many peoples may want different new moves (many want GH i guess) or maybe just existing stuff get buffed, but at this point they already did the animations for counter/low throw… so better if these are good, no?
I’d rather they do something to his V system like decrease the white life from flexing or make lvl 1 VT -2 instead of -6. I played the beta and all that counter did was fuck up my inputs and lead to me eating CCs.
And I think having a normal throw that only works on crouching would be redundant and not very useful; unless it does more damage and gives better frame advantage than HP SPD what’s the point?
I think he’s gonna be worse after the patch mostly because others will get better and his bad mu’s will still be bad which basically means he’s gonna be shit. Chief, if lvl 1 vt was -2 can you imagine the bitching that would cause. The idiots already think he’s top tier lol. Faster walk speed would be nice but it’s never happening. I’d even like a slightly faster sweep.
It would be nice if they would give a boost to his mediums so you can combo that to v-trigger outside of the occasional counter hit.