Also shit like standing and crouching jabs shouldn’t beat a cross up splash but that’s SF5 sadly. I played a Dictator a couple days ago and he was aa’ing me with st.mk, wtf is wrong with this game. Then you have stuff like Karin being able to basically spam her sweep cause we can’t do shit even on block most of the time. How is that fair?
I would take that if they aren’t willing to make lvl 1 VT safer (which I agree would cause massive salt lol). To scratch, I don’t really mind AA lights but the side switch resets they give are too much and need to go. It’s already a guess between throw and meaty (overhead too for some chars). Having to guess the side too is dumb IMO. Also, Gief is one of the few chars that gets consistent punishes on Karin’s sweep. I think slaynman posted a vid showing you can bop it with st.FP from just about any range.
St.hp? Really? Ok I never tried that so that’s something useful, I hate that mu so much. Yes, that side switch bs has got to go but this is guess fighter so that craps not going anywhere. A player like Punk gets so much mileage out of that bs it’s a joke. Also overheads should NEVER be safe on block. It’s a gamble and if you bet wrong you should get punished for it but again things that make sense don’t make it in this game.
My bad, wasn’t Slaynman. But still, here ya go. 4:15.
Considering the health difference, a cr.LP punish isn’t terrible and if you have VT active, it should stop them from pressing the button altogether. But you still can get st.FP from most ranges. Basically, Karin shouldn’t be mashing sweep against Gief lol
The point will be that they can modify it to have some particular advantage, so you have a reason to search the chance to use it instead as now being just a funny looking version of f+throw
More than frames i will like if they give it a completely different utilize that make you specifically go for it, maybe not even having great damage itself but example left the opponent standing close in front of you working as combo starter, with high damage potential if you got VT or CA ready =)
Or something much more simple, like it having really crazy stun
Idk something that pay back you for specifically searching it, instead go for something more universal
I dunno, I just disagree. He doesn’t need super specific moves, just very simple stuff like the VT and movement suggestions some ppl have made above. Stuff that is consistently helpful and not a gimmick. Like, he’s scary enough with SPD, air SPD or lariat combo. Maybe buff the advantage he gets from those (not being able to back tech lariat would be nice), but they cover ALL situations except EX/CA reversal. It’s pointless to introduce more as it just invites more ways to get blown up.
Agreed, he just needs simple stuff.
Combo vtrigger off of mediums N. Hit.
frame 1-3 invincible on lariat, just make it more punishable on block
half white life on parry
slightly better foward walkspeed
and i dont want more damage on combos so i would love if his M and H normals just got a 20% damage boost.
do that and i think you have a top tier character but we wont get any so stuck with mid tier.
He already is top tier didn’t you know? The amazing, broken, super useful counter move will take him over the top. I don’t see any losing mu’s from here on out.
They could have gone back and made his shoulder CC that would have been a nice boost to use the move more often. I see that most Gief players don’t bother using it.
I don’t think he needs any more attacking options. Invincible Lariat on frame 1 and 2 and either 1100HP or S1 life regen on V-skill should make him a viable character.
If he were to get an attacking buff I’d like it to be slightly reduced distance after jab SPD. Right now there’s absolutely no follow up, might as well move him a full screen away.
My premise was simple, at this point they already spent time/work to give him 2 new moves*
Low throw = only aesthetic, both as execution and as effect
Counter = said by everyone to be complete bullshit
I’m not debating if he need/needed these or not, i’m stating the fact that these at this point… well, exist and will join Gief moveset soon
From there i will like see them to give these new moves a “reason” to exist
Headbutt is the only move that MIGHT be useful in certain situations but is it a game changer in any way? Of course not.
Depending on the hitbox it may be a good air to air. That’s how I used it in IV. If not, its only use is after a stun, for 20 more damage when you start the BnB stun combo.
Air Headbutt would have been as a huge buff if you could have used it after the v-trigger but I believed it was mentioned that it’s not possible so it’s a okay buff unless it beats everything air to air then it will be okay but we won’t know exactly until the update.
How often did headbutt actually hit in high level play in 4? Not very often, almost never so I don’t see anything different about Gief after the update except more bad mu’s.
Headbutt is a great buff in that when you already have the opponent stunned you start the party with air headbutt instead of j.hk/j.hp and get an extra 20 damage. I can’t see it being used much outside of that. Maybe neutral jump and air headbutt to deter Sim limbs? Maybe against Bison stuff? We’ll see. The extra 20 damage on the bnb after stun is definitely a nice buff that I’ll gladly take.
I watch these Giefs with all these online points stream and I’m convinced that we have zero good Giefs in the US now. They get away with such bs it’s just sad. I think Snake may be the best Gief here now but he hardly plays him lol. Stu can’t even make it out of pools at tourneys with good players and the rest are frauds imo.
F.Champ in his interview saying that he believes Gief will be top 3 or 4 after getting his new moves in the patch. He said the new crouch forward throw will be OD because he can get heavy frame advantage off of it. Which is funny because I thought people in the thread said that the crouch throw was mostly cosmetic.
Also said his new counter will blow up characters that rely on kicking pokes to deal with him. Get countered and could possible die blah blah. Well I know that part isn’t true since like said in the thread, he gets no oki after the counter.
And Daigo and Nemo thought he was going to be top tier in S2. It just shows that even pro players don’t have a clue what they’re talking about when it comes to characters they don’t main. Gief top 3? Absolutely laughable. He won’t even be top 10.
I don’t know about the crouch throw. I don’t have the pc version so I never used it.
Who cares what F.Champ says, he’s completely wrong. Every non-Gief player thinks he’s top tier and every non-Gief player thinks he’s getting 3 new incredible moves. It’s the same shit no matter who you ask.