Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

[Sanjieph]

And I’m whiffing cr.lp x2 lariat at near point blank, that’s some serious bullshit. I expected to have actual combo potential

They probably didn’t want him to have combos off stray hits, but rather consistent and stronger combos on oki to make the opponent think more before jumping/backdashing, which opens up more SPDs.

Also, he got a lot scarier on AA’s and in the corner. Off of a close AA jab or cr.HP, you can do CH headbutt, cr.MK xx lariat for 254 damage. And the CH is SUPER easy to confirm so you don’t have to do it on a read or have gdlk reactions. I put the TM dummy on random CH and can get it 100% of the time, and my reactions are just decent.

wait what

where does the CH headbutt come from in a real match

this is not a juggle, right? you are hoping the other guy moves and you catch him with the headbutt?

[chief713]

Ohho! nice find. I just realized his meaty headbutt just got better as I see now you can do that CH Headbutt, cr.mk combo every time you land a a ex-spd now.

It doesn’t work off SPDs. Not enough advantage to dash up headbutt, and if you do walk up headbutt, you’re not close enough for lariat to connect off cr.MK. Right now it looks it should work off of:

• back throw
• close AA jab/cr.HP
• in the corner off of:
  — close/CH sweep
  — lariat combo (which means this setup loops into itself)
  — RBG (siberian express)

wait what

where does the CH headbutt come from in a real match

this is not a juggle, right? you are hoping the other guy moves and you catch him with the headbutt?

People press buttons on wakeup sometimes lol. In all the situations I listed above, you can do meaty headbutt and potentially get that 254 damage. The beauty of it though, is that it’s visually VERY easy to tell if it’s CH or not, so even if you don’t get the CH, you can still combo into st.LK xx lariat for 200 damage.

Here’s a vid:

https://dropbox.com/s/vn8kigi5zzud82f/2016-12-21%2012-22-57.mp4?dl=0

[metrokard]

i like the lariat changes…i wish it still didn’t wiff so much though… at a certain range people cant throw fireballs either so it really helps him in match ups like urien and guile. Chun match up still a pain in the ass though.

[filldoh]

new lariat is great but it’s still punisheable as fuck if it misses/is blocked. tho you shouldn’t use it when it is gonna be blocked cause you are comboing into it

sLK->Lariat is too fast for my reactions to use as a whiff punish, and honestly, that is going to be nerfed at some point. people who can abuse it should milk it now before they add some other weird exception to sLK like they did to cLK where the moves after are slowed down two frames

i am confused what you mean too fast for your reactions? just slide s lk, All 3Punches from a range where it wont hit unless they throw out a button. if they dont hit a button all that comes out is Slk if they hit a button that beats yours you just take a poke, if they hit something that Slk beats lariat comes out automatically. it is the same as Slk GH in 4 the only difference is you are not buffering 623 on the stick. this is just plinking two buttons no reactions needed.

[Vincient_Wise]

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/dec/21/combofiend-if-theres-one-character-i-know-s-going-become-threat-season-its-definitely-zangief-capcom-talks-season-2-balance/ Hahahaha! *looks Again… HAHAHAHAHAHA. Stopppp it…

[Plaid_Unicorn]

Well he did say Mika was the best during the beginning of season 1 and we all know how that turned out… just sayin.

[fifty8mm]

Well he did say Mika was the best during the beginning of season 1 and we all know how that turned out… just sayin.

For some reason he is always top tier for him. I honestly now think Petrr is just an a escapegoat for the real balancing employees. Poor guy

[Vincient_Wise]

Seems like that 7 to 6 frame cr. mp buff was acually kinda helpful. Don’t know if anyone else discovered this, but due to the lariat and cr.mp buff, we now have a frame trap combo from cr.lp to cr.mp-st.lk-double lariet from point blank.

[Gemini_hk]

Well he did say Mika was the best during the beginning of season 1 and we all know how that turned out… just sayin.

For some reason he is always top tier for him. I honestly now think Petrr is just an a escapegoat for the real balancing employees. Poor guy

Fuck Combofiend
This retard always think Gief is top/SSS tier.
While Gief actually being as a SANDBAG is almost each version of SF.
Especially in SFV.
Gief has no good matchup but only 1 fair matchup (mirror match).
While tons of impossible matchup available in each series of SF (Ryu, Guile, Nash, Dhalism…)
I have no fucking idea what combofiend thinking but just want to fuck him

[Gemini_hk]

Seems like that 7 to 6 frame cr. mp buff was acually kinda helpful. Don’t know if anyone else discovered this, but due to the lariat and cr.mp buff, we now have a frame trap combo from cr.lp to cr.mp-st.lk-double lariet from point blank.

HP/EX SPD>Dash>CMP
Really DAMN useful to pressure non 3F jab characters

HP/EXSPD>Dash>clk xx clp xx ppp
I have no idea why lariat can be blocked sometimes.
Does anyone has the same problem as me?

[scratchback]

https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2016/dec/21/combofiend-if-theres-one-character-i-know-s-going-become-threat-season-its-definitely-zangief-capcom-talks-season-2-balance/ Hahahaha! *looks Again… HAHAHAHAHAHA. Stopppp it…

No comment…yeah just no comment.

[Redie]

Seems like that 7 to 6 frame cr. mp buff was acually kinda helpful. Don’t know if anyone else discovered this, but due to the lariat and cr.mp buff, we now have a frame trap combo from cr.lp to cr.mp-st.lk-double lariet from point blank.

HP/EX SPD>Dash>CMP
Really DAMN useful to pressure non 3F jab characters

HP/EXSPD>Dash>clk xx clp xx ppp
I have no idea why lariat can be blocked sometimes.
Does anyone has the same problem as me?

i dont know that we can crlk setup after exSPD ?
For your question, you should ->PPP or crlpcrlp PPP ?

[Gemini_hk]

Seems like that 7 to 6 frame cr. mp buff was acually kinda helpful. Don’t know if anyone else discovered this, but due to the lariat and cr.mp buff, we now have a frame trap combo from cr.lp to cr.mp-st.lk-double lariet from point blank.

HP/EX SPD>Dash>CMP
Really DAMN useful to pressure non 3F jab characters

HP/EXSPD>Dash>clk xx clp xx ppp
I have no idea why lariat can be blocked sometimes.
Does anyone has the same problem as me?

i dont know that we can crlk setup after exSPD ?
For your question, you should ->PPP or crlpcrlp PPP ?

Clk xx clp xx ppp
It links after SPD>dash
But seems unstable

[Gabri3l_WHOA]

Combofiend needs to be stopped

[Redie]

Seems like that 7 to 6 frame cr. mp buff was acually kinda helpful. Don’t know if anyone else discovered this, but due to the lariat and cr.mp buff, we now have a frame trap combo from cr.lp to cr.mp-st.lk-double lariet from point blank.

HP/EX SPD>Dash>CMP
Really DAMN useful to pressure non 3F jab characters

HP/EXSPD>Dash>clk xx clp xx ppp
I have no idea why lariat can be blocked sometimes.
Does anyone has the same problem as me?

i dont know that we can crlk setup after exSPD ?
For your question, you should ->PPP or crlpcrlp PPP ?

Clk xx clp xx ppp
It links after SPD>dash
But seems unstable

so crlp crlp PPP can be another option, you can not whiff lariat.

[Paramisery]

Yeah, I agree, fuck combofiend, he’s gotta go.

[Gemini_hk]

HP AirSPD,

Seems like that 7 to 6 frame cr. mp buff was acually kinda helpful. Don’t know if anyone else discovered this, but due to the lariat and cr.mp buff, we now have a frame trap combo from cr.lp to cr.mp-st.lk-double lariet from point blank.

HP/EX SPD>Dash>CMP
Really DAMN useful to pressure non 3F jab characters

HP/EXSPD>Dash>clk xx clp xx ppp
I have no idea why lariat can be blocked sometimes.
Does anyone has the same problem as me?

i dont know that we can crlk setup after exSPD ?
For your question, you should ->PPP or crlpcrlp PPP ?

Clk xx clp xx ppp
It links after SPD>dash
But seems unstable

so crlp crlp PPP can be another option, you can not whiff lariat.

1)clpx2>ppp
2)clk>clp>ppp

Both of above 2 combos are not guarantee combo unfortunately.
The lariat will whiff/being blocked if the distance not close enough

[Gemini_hk]

Combofiend needs to be stopped

Combofiend needs to be fired

[Gemini_hk]

Please try your best to punish jump in opponent by HP AirSPD.
The reward is really huge, 220dmg for a jump in punishment, plus additional +2 front dash mixup city.
Comparing with EX AirSPD (4F Startup), Regular AirSPD(3F startup) is harder to be stuffed by jump in attacks due to faster startup. HP AirSPD also do 20 more damage than EX one.

[Whitty]

I’m still enjoying playing Zangief as I always have.

I won’t lie, I’ve been struggling horrendously against the new and improved Urien (And good lord are there a lot of them online!) but I’m starting to feel more comfortable against him now, with Cr.MP being quite useful at stuffing his more irritating normals and V-Skill teaching them not to EX Headbutt on wakeup or they get an ever so lovely SPD.

How’re you all faring against Urien currently? Do any of you have any tips to share in regards to this matchup at all? I’m always looking for tips!