Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

[Plaid_Unicorn]

Took damage but let you get closer.

[chief713]

If it allows you to dash/walk up and do st.MP then I won’t have a problem with the SPD dmg nerf

[mowr]

So he gets even more shit after HP SPD?

[Mesenkomaha]

You guys are crazy if you aren’t excited for these new buffs. Gief is going to be whiff punish city with st.lk xx lariat. I just don’t understand the doom and gloom behind grey life nerf. V skill is for a strategic parry. You’re trading their heavy for your SPD, or their hit for your flex/V trigger activation. It isn’t for flexing every poke for no return beyond building V trigger. Once you flex that hit, that life is as good as gone but at least you traded it for an advantageous situation.

Gief is going to be sweet sweet mid tier goodness. Work on your st.lk xx lariat whiff punishes boys!

Is st.lk xx lariat really going to be a valid whiff punish? I can’t see it reaching far enough

We had a guy in the discord testing this. It whiff punished Karin max distance sweep. Mid screen whiff punishes folks.

[fifty8mm]

You guys are crazy if you aren’t excited for these new buffs. Gief is going to be whiff punish city with st.lk xx lariat. I just don’t understand the doom and gloom behind grey life nerf. V skill is for a strategic parry. You’re trading their heavy for your SPD, or their hit for your flex/V trigger activation. It isn’t for flexing every poke for no return beyond building V trigger. Once you flex that hit, that life is as good as gone but at least you traded it for an advantageous situation.

Gief is going to be sweet sweet mid tier goodness. Work on your st.lk xx lariat whiff punishes boys!

Is st.lk xx lariat really going to be a valid whiff punish? I can’t see it reaching far enough

We had a guy in the discord testing this. It whiff punished Karin max distance sweep. Mid screen whiff punishes folks.

Fuck!!! Yeah!

[Gemini_hk]

Actually I think Ryu’s cmp should be nerfed too.
This fucking move suppose not for anti-air but it actually doing extremely well on it.

[Evansgambit]

HP Screw Pile Driver:
 Reduced damage 240 to 220
 Reduced distance to opponent after hit
o This change effects duration of entire move
EX Screw Pile Driver:
 Reduced damage 240 to 220
 Reduced distance to opponent after hit

http://www.aim.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/OBAMA-51-FACTS.jpg

Hmmm, HP/EX SPD - forward dash is +3 advantage.

Reduced start up of crouch MP, means after the dash, you can now beat wake up 3 frame lights, due to button priority.

Added with the reduced post SPD spacing, and crouch MP should be point blank, allowing you to do shebang.

In case your wondering, shebang is crouch MP. Stand LK xx Lariat.

But with EX meter being more rare and landing HP SPD even MORE rare, its going to be harder to get that real estate.

[Gemini_hk]

HP Screw Pile Driver:
 Reduced damage 240 to 220
 Reduced distance to opponent after hit
o This change effects duration of entire move
EX Screw Pile Driver:
 Reduced damage 240 to 220
 Reduced distance to opponent after hit

http://www.aim.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/OBAMA-51-FACTS.jpg

Hmmm, HP/EX SPD - forward dash is +3 advantage.

Reduced start up of crouch MP, means after the dash, you can now beat wake up 3 frame lights, due to button priority.

Added with the reduced post SPD spacing, and crouch MP should be point blank, allowing you to do shebang.

In case your wondering, shebang is crouch MP. Stand LK xx Lariat.

But with EX meter being more rare and landing HP SPD even MORE rare, its going to be harder to get that real estate.

Hp/exSPD

Seems to be +2 after dash in
And 6F normal will trade with 4f jabs/lose to 3f jabs?

[filldoh]

HP Screw Pile Driver:
 Reduced damage 240 to 220
 Reduced distance to opponent after hit
o This change effects duration of entire move
EX Screw Pile Driver:
 Reduced damage 240 to 220
 Reduced distance to opponent after hit

http://www.aim.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/OBAMA-51-FACTS.jpg

Hmmm, HP/EX SPD - forward dash is +3 advantage.

Reduced start up of crouch MP, means after the dash, you can now beat wake up 3 frame lights, due to button priority.

Added with the reduced post SPD spacing, and crouch MP should be point blank, allowing you to do shebang.

In case your wondering, shebang is crouch MP. Stand LK xx Lariat.

But with EX meter being more rare and landing HP SPD even MORE rare, its going to be harder to get that real estate.

Hp/exSPD

Seems to be +2 after dash in
And 6F normal will trade with 4f jabs/lose to 3f jabs?

a 6f MP will beat 4F light because of priority. so after dash cr mp will be your goto on 4framers and cr short will be your goto against 3.
cant wait to try out the changes.

[Frost]

You guys are crazy if you aren’t excited for these new buffs. Gief is going to be whiff punish city with st.lk xx lariat. I just don’t understand the doom and gloom behind grey life nerf. V skill is for a strategic parry. You’re trading their heavy for your SPD, or their hit for your flex/V trigger activation. It isn’t for flexing every poke for no return beyond building V trigger. Once you flex that hit, that life is as good as gone but at least you traded it for an advantageous situation.

Gief is going to be sweet sweet mid tier goodness. Work on your st.lk xx lariat whiff punishes boys!

Is st.lk xx lariat really going to be a valid whiff punish? I can’t see it reaching far enough

We had a guy in the discord testing this. It whiff punished Karin max distance sweep. Mid screen whiff punishes folks.

…jheeeeeeez

[Sanjieph]

who still has 3framers anyway

[nappydude]

Vega, ibuki, laura, Bison etc

[Sanjieph]

so it seems that lariat replaced the headbutt as the best follow up to a CC that sends the character flying

other than jump + Ex Air SPD, which I am not always capable of doing (sometimes I am fast enough, sometimes I am not, and there’s the issue of meter)

it does 216 + 360 stun, while following up with a headbutt does 198 + 360 stun, which means there’s no reason to ever go with headbutt

[Plaid_Unicorn]

It seems easier to get air spd from st Hk cc now…

Also as I crazy? Did v trigger always combo and catch after St Hk cc?

[ScottoSoHotto]

Is it me, or do the lights into lariat feel really weird? In training I’m only getting it like 70% of the time.

[Cestus]

charged stHP (CC) -> stHK -> CA 557

stHP/crHP -> CA 460

jHP -> stHP/crHP/Headbutt -> CA 510

Also, it was possible Headbutt -> CA? because now he can, 460

charged stHP (CC) -> Headbutt -> CA 566

[Sanjieph]

headbutt -> CA has always been possible

dunno the other combos. like the idea of cancelling from sHK

[Frost]

I’m gonna say it now pre-preemptively, removing cr.lp > st.lk was unnecessary. UltraDavid said something to the effect of this on stream earlier, they buffed the lariat’s horizontal viability but nerfed his access into said horizontal viability.

[OceanMachine]

Is it me, or do the lights into lariat feel really weird? In training I’m only getting it like 70% of the time.

Have you been holding forward while doing it?

[Sanjieph]

cLP -> sLK -> Lariat would have been too much given the new range and damage of the lariat now

I mean, right now sLK -> Lariat hits from a ridiculous distance. would not be surprised if that’s somehow nerfed (probably cutting off the range on the hitbox of sLK a little since nerfing Lariat in any way is a huge nerf)

so the price was losing cLP -> sLK so we didn’t get a ridic hit confirm