Sadly CH st. MP, cr. MP xx Lariat doesn’t work, the Lariat is slightly too far to connect. Would’ve been neat though.
I think it is impossible to juggles 2 times
Juggling will keep using the entire VT bar which same as before.
Even if it work in your training mode, it is unpractical in real battle.
You seldom get a SMP counter hit in closest range.
SMP is always use for whiff punishing/mid range poke.
If you are really in closest range, would use cmp xx slk xx ppp instead
One more thing is Borchst Dynamite still going to trade? If I remember correctly even ex Borchst Dynamite would trade.
very good in ss2 is zangief vs nash now match up better for zangief
because key move from nash get nerf
mk scythe pushback reduced
mk scythe is now -10 on block instead of -8
ss1 this move very strong only 1 way deal with this move is zangief v-skill now in
ss2 i think zangief can punish this move at far range
very good for zangief not free move on block anymore
Hard to know at this moment but seems remain the same.
However in next patch,HP/MP airSPD gain extra frame advantage after you dash in.
We may able to play mixup city like HP/MP ground SPD future
(airSPD>Dash, you were in frame disadvantage on S1)
The white life nerf, shouldn’t be a problem. Because the goal of the V-Skill, is to armour on for an immediate pay out. “Cash on Delivery” Hence still requiring a read against specific attacks. Not like maxing out the credit card on a shopping spree and racking up huge debt.
If stand LK xx Lariat is the new stand LK xx EXGH, added with 4 frames of input lag, then welcome back Snake Eyez.
And if Big Z has more tools to open up pre-jump and back dash frames, with the faster mediums into Lariat, then I welcome that too.
The meterless DP is going to make VT resets and VT setups really good. Really good.
You guys are crazy if you aren’t excited for these new buffs. Gief is going to be whiff punish city with st.lk xx lariat. I just don’t understand the doom and gloom behind grey life nerf. V skill is for a strategic parry. You’re trading their heavy for your SPD, or their hit for your flex/V trigger activation. It isn’t for flexing every poke for no return beyond building V trigger. Once you flex that hit, that life is as good as gone but at least you traded it for an advantageous situation.
Gief is going to be sweet sweet mid tier goodness. Work on your st.lk xx lariat whiff punishes boys!
I guess I just have to stay positive or move on lol
I guess you can say we a re cautiously optimistic. Since at times not all changes are listed when the patch notes come out.
Still props to the guys who have been digging out info before this release thank you.
Gief nation is this really true?
Is st.lk xx lariat really going to be a valid whiff punish? I can’t see it reaching far enough
now that you guys are done freaking out, here’s the official zangief changes.
http://www.capcom-unity.com/harrisony/blog/2016/12/19/welcome-to-season-2-of-street-fighter-v
ZANGIEF
Hurtbox on wakeup:
Adjusted hurtbox when changing direction
Atomic Drop/Captured (front and back throw):
Reduced CA meter gain
Standing MP:
Changed advantage on-hit +3F to +4F
Changed advantage on-block +1F to +2F
Standing HP:
Changed advantage on-hit +1F to +2F
Hurtbox around his feet appears 3F faster
Standing HK:
Changed advantage on-hit +1F to +2F
Crouching LP:
Changed advantage on-hit +5F to +4F
Crouching LK:
Changed advantage on-block +1F to +2F
Reduced hit pushback
Delayed startup of special moves 2F when cancelled from this move
Crouching MP:
Changed startup 7F to 6F
o Reduced duration of entire move by 1F
Crouching HP:
Changed advantage on-hit +1F to +2F
Jump LK, Jump MP, Jump HK:
Fixed issue where airborne opponents hit by this move got knocked further away when the
move hit as a counter
Head Butt:
Changed such that CA gauge now increases when you absorb a projectile with this move
V-Trigger (Cyclone Lariat):
Increased damage on first hit of button hold version 120 to 140
Increased stun first hit of button hold version 200 to 150
Increased stun second hit of button hold version 250 to 200
Increased duration of move
Adjusted timer gauge reduction with the increased duration
V-Reversal (Muscle Explosion):
Changed startup 10F to 12F
Changed recovery 19F to 24F
o No change to advantage on-hit and block
Applied hit and projectile invincibility to entire move to 1F～14F
Siberian Express:
Increased stun 200 to 250
EX Siberian Express:
Increased damage 200 to 230
Increased stun 200 to 250
MP Borscht Dynamite:
Reduced recovery on-hit 2F
HP Borscht Dynamite:
Reduced recovery on-hit 4F
EX Borscht Dynamite:
Increased stun 200 to 250
Double Lariat:
Increased damage 100 to 120 during 1F～3F of active frames
Increased CA meter gain on whiff
Increased hitbox upwards and inwards
Increased hitbox forwards during spin
Hitbox increased in size to hit or make crouching opponent block when spinning
You can now move forward/back slightly sooner after starting this move
Screw Pile Driver:
Reduced CA meter gain on whiff
Increased CA meter gain on-hit
HP Screw Pile Driver:
Reduced damage 240 to 220
Reduced distance to opponent after hit
o This change effects duration of entire move
EX Screw Pile Driver:
Reduced damage 240 to 220
Reduced distance to opponent after hit
Whack!
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Jk see how it works out.
Do those buffs enough to compensate the huge dmg nerf on SPD?
i notice people have trouble whiff punishing s.hp. do you think that whole hurtbox around feet appears 3 frames sooner will affect this?
it says sooner and not closer so idk.
I feel like the 5Hp hurtbox nerf is pretty big tbh…
you’re now liable to be CH/CC’d out of st.hp’s start-up a hell of a lot more, I use his st.hp a fuckton too
will probably hit me hard
some people know that he is vulnerable below so they are better off in this MU. they will hit Zangief more with their cMK or whatever; now we can get stuffed easier in this move, tho yeah, not closer so it still is useful at a distance
don’t think it is too bad but dunno why they thought it was necessary
I think it is just to prevent spamming it
HP Screw Pile Driver:
Reduced damage 240 to 220
Reduced distance to opponent after hit
o This change effects duration of entire move
EX Screw Pile Driver:
Reduced damage 240 to 220
Reduced distance to opponent after hit
