Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

[Gemini_hk]

How much stronger are those follow up options really tho? Gief always got cr.LP, st.LK xx lariat after HP and EX SPD and there isn’t enough FA to dash up and do a st.MP combo. The only thing different post grab is the combo. It’s cr.LK, cr.LP xx lariat now. Same damage, same advantage after. I mean, I guess the new CH combos with cr.MP are cool, but after EX/HP SPD, ppl are usually gonna block or jump/backdash, not press buttons so I wouldn’t say his “new” post-grab game by itself is worth losing 20 dmg every time you land a non-LP SPD.

Also, lmao @scratchback 07/2016

Zangief Whining Thread

If the trend from 4 continues then yeah he’ll get nerfed pretty hard, not even kidding. I expect cr.jab and ex-spd will get worse.

HSPD dash into clp xx slk xx lariat
It is only character specific due to distance

[scratchback]

Chief, I didn’t want to say anything but yeah lol.

[DevilJin_01]

Better conversions off pokes into damage means he’ll automatically be better than Season 1 Gief. They gave you more tools so you won’t have to flex as often to begin with. Half the reason you had to flex so much in Season 1 was you had no tools to land a knockdown or real conversion off a button.

He’s better now. Some things got nerfed, but the buffs clearly offset. Headbutt building meter on fireballs especially.

[OceanMachine]

SPD lost 20 dmg
Lariat gain 20 dmg

The situation may not be too worst I hope

^ this. Instead of having EX SPD as your ONLY source of damage you can convert off various pokes.
Of course -20 dmg in S1 would’ve been bad since if you didn’t land those SPDs you basically dealt no damage, but now that you have more options is it really that horrible?
btw as scratchback said I’m a bad player so I’ll leave the complaining to you.

[acidrock]

mp can link lp combo

headbutt get max

ppp can combo 100 %

enough tool for deal fire ball

hp hk low hp can combo with ca

zangief ss1 we not have tool to fight fireball

ss2 more tool new combo dp no invisible all is good for zangief

damage nerf no problem

very happy i can use new move name mp (i forget this move long long time )

lol

[chief713]

I’m very weary about how good st.MP is going to be. I mean it sounds nice, but if you go in training mode and play around with it, you’ll see that st.MP, cr.LP doesn’t connect unless you are super close to the opponent, nearly point blank. Even if you connect it from the max range where cr.LP still combos, I have my doubts about lariat reaching that far.

Regardless tho, how do we get close enough to make use of the new st.MP combo? After EX/HP/air SPD? Not enough frame advantage to dash up and st.MP. After an AA jab or cr.HP? Sure, you can do it, but why when you have headbutt which does way more damage and links into a more reliable st.LK xx lariat? I guess you can do it on meaty VT and get more damage than you would from cr.LP x2.

st.MP being +2 is a very nice incentive to use it more in neutral, especially against 4-framers and will probably be the more useful of its buffs. The comboability tho? I don’t think that’s gonna amount to much.

Also, I dunno how I glossed over lariat getting a damage buff. With that, I’ll say that the SPD dmg nerf isn’t horrible, but it was still laughably unnecessary and all of us are gonna think about it every time we SPD somebody and they have pixels left and make a comeback.

[acidrock]

i think after use with jump lk maybe mp close enough to link lp combo.
very nice if jump lk (block ) cr lp (block) mp (hit) can link lp combo
trap ppl try to jump spd

[Gemini_hk]

I really think s.mp combo is meaningless
Cmp is a better option than s.mp
Cmp is 6f startup in S2, which same startup as s.mp
Cmp can link into slkppp which will be 100% reliable, i really have no reason to use smp instead of cmp in close range

[Gemini_hk]

mp can link lp combo

headbutt get max

ppp can combo 100 %

enough tool for deal fire ball

hp hk low hp can combo with ca

zangief ss1 we not have tool to fight fireball

ss2 more tool new combo dp no invisible all is good for zangief

damage nerf no problem

very happy i can use new move name mp (i forget this move long long time )

lol

Trust me
Gief will never has enough tools to fight fireballs
Even he got a green hand in SF4!
How come you think gief can fight fireball well by just gaining more meters?
Also, you cant headbutt fang’s fireball, dhalism’s fireball.

[Gemini_hk]

WTF the damage buff on lariat seems fake

[fifty8mm]

I’m very weary about how good st.MP is going to be. I mean it sounds nice, but if you go in training mode and play around with it, you’ll see that st.MP, cr.LP doesn’t connect unless you are super close to the opponent, nearly point blank. Even if you connect it from the max range where cr.LP still combos, I have my doubts about lariat reaching that far.

Regardless tho, how do we get close enough to make use of the new st.MP combo? After EX/HP/air SPD? Not enough frame advantage to dash up and st.MP. After an AA jab or cr.HP? Sure, you can do it, but why when you have headbutt which does way more damage and links into a more reliable st.LK xx lariat? I guess you can do it on meaty VT and get more damage than you would from cr.LP x2.

st.MP being +2 is a very nice incentive to use it more in neutral, especially against 4-framers and will probably be the more useful of its buffs. The comboability tho? I don’t think that’s gonna amount to much.

Also, I dunno how I glossed over lariat getting a damage buff. With that, I’ll say that the SPD dmg nerf isn’t horrible, but it was still laughably unnecessary and all of us are gonna think about it every time we SPD somebody and they have pixels left and make a comeback.

This! You still have to be close to use MP. I use it a lot to stuff pokes. The issue is how the fuck are you going to get in still. Seriously.

Whoever commented and said “lariat is a backhanded buff” was correct.

Zoners got buffs and zangief got ran over by Peter or whoever is in charge.

[Plaid_Unicorn]

You have to be close to use st mp… wut???

It’s great at punishing whiffed limbs…

@OceanMachine, what does st mp combo into on normal hit then on counter hit. My apologizes if you posted this already.

Never mind I see it.

[Plasma3d]

they are making fun of gief players
i think that he will be lower in s2 than he is now
the terrible mus like guile nash chun urien are ridiculous now …

[Plaid_Unicorn]

https://twitter.com/ominousgames/status/810631158916612096

[Gemini_hk]

What
ExRBG get higher dmg on counter hit???

[Plaid_Unicorn]

What
ExRBG get higher dmg on counter hit???

Yea I’m confused by that as well…

[metrokard]

man i like the changes he got he was my secondary probably will move to main now with birdie getting kinda destroyed…

[Cestus]

buff seem very nice, still that dmg nerf on SPD

Comrade Gief deserved every single dmg point of it

[Gemini_hk]

The buff on his VT (Half consumption) is really useful.
We always use VT after HSPD/exSPD.
However opponent can waste our VT meter by non-quick rise.
We can not do LV3 VT anymore when we throw out the 2nd VT again for their normal raise.

Now the problem should be solved due to half consumption.

BTW I don’t understand so much on the damage change on VT.
Only buff the damage on the first hit of VT lariat???

[ScottoSoHotto]

The buff on his VT (Half consumption) is really useful.
We always use VT after HSPD/exSPD.
However opponent can waste our VT meter by non-quick rise.
We can not do LV3 VT anymore when we throw out the 2nd VT again for their normal raise.

Now the problem should be solved due to half consumption.

BTW I don’t understand so much on the damage change on VT.
Only buff the damage on the first hit of VT lariat???

Yeah I’m liking the VT buff too. Does this mean we get 2 potential “juggles” off of VT now?