Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

[Jerom]

Whats the secret to the new lariat antiair? I see more people antiairing with it now but Im still having trouble. Is there some new timing to it compared to 4 or is it characters specific or both?

[view619]

Whats the secret to the new lariat antiair? I see more people antiairing with it now but Im still having trouble. Is there some new timing to it compared to 4 or is it characters specific or both?

Use it earlier in the opponent’s jump, I believe sf4 allowed you to AA lariat late during the opponent’s descent.

[chief713]

In 4, you HAD to lariat late. Exact opposite in V. I think that’s why a lot of SF4 Giefs have had trouble with it; takes time to break that muscle memory. I still prefer st.LP and cr.HP tho since they give you a reset.

[thecapsaicinkid]

Also, why do so many players cancel s.LK into LK running bear from close range? Ticking into SPD from a c.LP seems preferable imo.

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[] Running Bear Grab eats 1/3 of the screen on hit.
[] Running Bear Grab gives better frame advantage while landing an SPD > Dash is +2 or worse at varying ranges.
[*] S.lk can be cancelled into lk Running Bear Grab on hit or block and still land, meaning it’s fast enough to force the opponent to guess after the tick like an SPD. Zangief will start the grab directly beside the opponent.
[/list]

At max s.LK range, doesn’t the grab become ‘reactable’ due to Gief no longer hitting it on the earliest (13f?) frame?

[view619]

Also, why do so many players cancel s.LK into LK running bear from close range? Ticking into SPD from a c.LP seems preferable imo.

[list=1]
[] Running Bear Grab eats 1/3 of the screen on hit.
[] Running Bear Grab gives better frame advantage while landing an SPD > Dash is +2 or worse at varying ranges.
[*] S.lk can be cancelled into lk Running Bear Grab on hit or block and still land, meaning it’s fast enough to force the opponent to guess after the tick like an SPD. Zangief will start the grab directly beside the opponent.
[/list]

At max s.LK range, doesn’t the grab become ‘reactable’ due to Gief no longer hitting it on the earliest (13f?) frame?

Yeah, max s.lk range isn’t where you want to do Running Bear Grab since Zangief needs to run forward at that distance.
It works best at ranges where the c.lp > s.lk > lariat hit-confirm will connect against the opponent; think after landing ex spd/ex borscht > forward dash.

[benzo425]

https://youtube.com/shared?ci=Zxt5EXefjn4

how do i embed videos

[Carter]

Thanks to that video i noticed that if you hold forward after v trigger activation you can combo stuff into it. This only works with max range st hp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7_cbOraOOw

[Evansgambit]

[quote=“Carter, post:3067, topic:176567”]

Thanks to that video i noticed that if you hold forward after v trigger activation you can combo stuff into it. This only works with max range st hp.

[/quote]

Carter. You ciggy cigarette smoking Latin American genius. Just like how you can combo the VT vaccum into CA.

Maybe meaty Stand HP or meaty VT. Another question to answer. ~ Viva La Grande Z! =)

[Evansgambit]

birdie better zangief over all
sfv zangief need more tool than parry and v-trigger

Congratulations AcidRock on your performance at Tokyo Game Show.

25. AcidRock (Zangief)

Well Done Comrade. ~Rep that Russian hard.

[Gemini_hk]

Does gief have any chance fight against urien?
New zone hell released

[Jerom]

Urien is very difficult to approach as Gief. Really good fireballs and pokes that can be cancelled into reflector. Still trying to figure out the best way to deal with him

[Joshkaz]

You pick a different character.

[Frost]

Like every other character that has good zoning capability, your only real option seems to be walking them into the corner. Only issue I have with Urien is that I focus so much on his fireball and mk buttons I get dash grabbed a lot.

[Frost]

So I’ve been using a hell of a lot of Zangief lately and this is all just by-the-eye, I haven’t looked into any frame data yet to be honest. After H.SPD, you’re able to do dash > H.SPD or dash > cr.lp as a mix-up chain correct? You can also do dash > EX Borchst or dash > dash > M.SPD to chase backdashes and jumps, but it seems to me that there are characters who can escape the chasedown of dash > dash > M.SPD because their backdashes are insanely good.

The two I’ve noticed are Vega and Nash respectively, is it not possible to catch their backdash? I use dash > st.hk to catch Nash backdashes now.

[view619]

So I’ve been using a hell of a lot of Zangief lately and this is all just by-the-eye, I haven’t looked into any frame data yet to be honest. After H.SPD, you’re able to do dash > H.SPD or dash > cr.lp as a mix-up chain correct? You can also do dash > EX Borchst or dash > dash > M.SPD to chase backdashes and jumps, but it seems to me that there are characters who can escape the chasedown of dash > dash > M.SPD because their backdashes are insanely good.

The two I’ve noticed are Vega and Nash respectively, is it not possible to catch their backdash? I use dash > st.hk to catch Nash backdashes now.

Dash > st.hk if you guess back-dash, Dash > jump forward and react with borscht if you guess jump. Double dashing to chase back dashes or jumps isn’t great.

[Carter]

Dead game.
Are you guys still playing this?

[view619]

Personally, I’m waiting for the first balance patch. Depending on what direction that goes in, I may get back into it.
Right now, there are too many other title releases to look forward to.

[Mesenkomaha]

I’ve been playing a bit lately, but not nearly as much as I was. Waiting to see the balance patch as well. Hoping for some nice buffs for our Gief.

[Gemini_hk]

I dont think gief will get any real buff
Instead he will get some big nerf
Such as nerfing his exSPD/crlp/CA damage

[kaanebhaal]

I give up ,impossible to play this game with gief when 80% of matches lag.
If capcom havent fixed it yet ,they aint gona.