Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

[Gemini_hk]

Ibuki wasn’t that bad in 4. Now, with vortex being removed i don’t see how she would be a “terrible” mu for zangief. Sure she should win the matchup just like any other character against zangief but i don’t think it’s gonna be incredibly bad like nash for example.

She has horizontal fireball now

[GreeceMonke]

I tried to empty jump SPD mika’s cmp but failed
She seems jumped out away my SPD with that anti-air
Can I airSPD her cmp?

Great question. Gemini. You can if you think you can. Just kidding =)

Some moves in the game have unthrowable frames like Knee Hammer. Thanks @GreeceMonke for pointing that out. But can still be hit for a full ground combo. And some moves have airborn frames. I believe Mika may have both. So we could grab her with the BD. Except for one important thing…

She hits us, before we can hit her. She benefits from a good anti-air hit box.

Not until we get an increased vertical lower hitbox buff to the Boscht Dynamite, and make it Sibberian Blizzard certified.

NO, unless R.Mika whiffs.

Because if she’s directly below you, she hits you, before you can grab ass her.

You need side on action, to be successful. That’s why you can grab, shoryukens. Because they whiff side on.

They should give the HP BD great anti-ground lower hitbox, so we can once again protect the skies.

Knee Hammer is like my fav move

Just wish I was better at using Gief overall. I really need to get better at using and timing for punishes after blocking attacks. My whole strategy is built around wake up game.

[chief713]

Ibuki wasn’t that bad in 4. Now, with vortex being removed i don’t see how she would be a “terrible” mu for zangief. Sure she should win the matchup just like any other character against zangief but i don’t think it’s gonna be incredibly bad like nash for example.

In 4 her DP didn’t work because OS EX GH blew that shit up free on wakeup and also stopped her from backdashing. Doubt Gief is gonna have anything like in V but hopefully its not too bad.

[scratchback]

Quick question guys. Why does rbg randomly just whiff for no reason sometimes? I’ll go for a tick and it just whiffs and of course the opponent is just standing there supposed to get hit but instead they get to punish me wtf?

[view619]

Quick question guys. Why does rbg randomly just whiff for no reason sometimes? I’ll go for a tick and it just whiffs and of course the opponent is just standing there supposed to get hit but instead they get to punish me wtf?

Counter hits will mess up the tick setup into Siberian Express.

[scratchback]

Quick question guys. Why does rbg randomly just whiff for no reason sometimes? I’ll go for a tick and it just whiffs and of course the opponent is just standing there supposed to get hit but instead they get to punish me wtf?

Counter hits will mess up the tick setup into Siberian Express.

Ah ok thx so much. Had no idea.

[Mesenkomaha]

If you cancel st.lk to lk rbg too fast it will whiff as well sometimes. I like st.lk xx mk rbg. A little slower but the hit stun won’t cause you to whiff.

[Kerplunk]

If you cancel st.lk to lk rbg too fast it will whiff as well sometimes. I like st.lk xx mk rbg. A little slower but the hit stun won’t cause you to whiff.

EX will always connect by the way.

[view619]

If you cancel st.lk to lk rbg too fast it will whiff as well sometimes. I like st.lk xx mk rbg. A little slower but the hit stun won’t cause you to whiff.

EX will always connect by the way.

Ex is the fastest version of the move, so this is unlikely. It shouldn’t be used outside of reversal situations, anyway.

[Mesenkomaha]

Ex will whiff on a st.lk hit xx ex rbg.

[Paramisery]

I’ve had ex rbg whiff often. And yes, its definitely counter hit that screw it up. You’re punished for good footsies if you use rbg.

[chief713]

I always do MK RBG. It’s slower but it always connects. LK and EX will whiff if you’re too close and they get hit by the button.

[Mesenkomaha]

Cr.lk xx lk rbg seems to work on hit no problem. So does cr.mk. If you have your heart set on ticking with St.lk be safe and just use mk rbg.

[Paramisery]

Or better yet, don’t bother. Why risk a rbg when it can be jumped, DPed, and will (oftentimes) whiff on hit. Its worse than an mkx tick throw to be perfectly honest, at least those also grab jumps.

[Mesenkomaha]

I’m comfortable with taking the risk with RBG. I used to think the move sucked but have had great success with it lately. It needs to be ticked into, snuck into your mix-ups, and never done at max range. RBG takes advantage of the 8 frame input lag and makes the move unreactable. It gets beat by mashing invincible reversal and holding up, but so does SPD. I feel like the move is best used when tension is high in the match and momentum is in your favor. The damage is good, corner carry is awesome, and it leaves you in great positioning.

[chief713]

Or better yet, don’t bother. Why risk a rbg when it can be jumped, DPed, and will (oftentimes) whiff on hit. Its worse than an mkx tick throw to be perfectly honest, at least those also grab jumps.

If anything, you condition them to jump when they see certain buttons so its easier to bait them into getting hit with air SPD

[view619]

Or better yet, don’t bother. Why risk a rbg when it can be jumped, DPed, and will (oftentimes) whiff on hit. Its worse than an mkx tick throw to be perfectly honest, at least those also grab jumps.

If anything, you condition them to jump when they see certain buttons so its easier to bait them into getting hit with air SPD

You can do the same with ticks into ground spd, just condition them to jump after a certain tick.

If the only reason you get use out of it is due to input delay, you need to reconsider it as a tick in your offense.

[chief713]

It’s not just that. You get a meaty setup and corner carry. Considering you get jack shit off LP/MP SPD, that’s not bad. The move sucks, but it’s not completely useless.

[view619]

You get +2 advantage at st.lk range after MP SPD > Dash. If you have a choice between RBG and MP SPD, go for the MP SPD.

[Vincient_Wise]

It’s not just that. You get a meaty setup and corner carry. Considering you get jack shit off LP/MP SPD, that’s not bad. The move sucks, but it’s not completely useless.

You get +2 advantage at st.lk range after MP SPD > Dash. If you have a choice between RBG and MP SPD, go for the MP SPD.

Was it tested how much advantage we get between siberian express, and how different they are from one other?