They should so bring back El Feurte, his style is MADE for V.
Gief is so messed up that people are asking for El Fuerte to return? Thats it folks, close this post, close the forum down, we raise the white flag, we lost. All jokes aside, even though with the bad hand we are given, we still shouldnât be discouraged finding tech, and grinding out everything we can to make gief compete.
How i see gief:
Does he have good damage, yes
Does he have good ve trigger, yes
Does he have good buttons to harrash, NO(lp is all we got)
Does he have combos, NO
Can he confirm into anything, NO
Can he play shimmy, NO
Is Spd speed good, NO
Is lariat good, NO
All the returning character are better than their last iterations, except gief. Just give us something close to sf4 gief.
ExSpd hit invincible but 200 damage
Realiable lariat
A combo ender
White life after svkil recover twice as fast as it is now.
If i had to chose only one buff it will be exspd hit invincible⌠people will think twice before presuring gief.
All we can do is dream. Knowing capcom gief will probably get nerfed lol.
You will regret if his exSPD reduced to 200 dmg with invincible time.
Actually exSPD is very good in my view, when you use it is offensive moment.
Long range, high damage, good follow up opportunity afterwards
It is very hard/impossible to use your HPSPD as offensive usage all the day, due to is terrible grab range.
lose in 40 damage is really hurt for a damage based character.
I know, we can not use our EXSPD as defensive usage due to the lack of invincibility time, thatâs why I think lariat should have invincibility time, but have higher risk (got countered if being blocked) for real defensive usage.
Does he have good damage
Yes, may be the best in the game
Does he have good ve trigger
Overall fair, terrible range and slow start up is a pain.
Does he have good buttons to harrash
I think his buttons are good, only chun & dhalism can kill gief in button war brainlessly.
Look back to SFIV, gief has NO heavy button in footsie war, his HP & HK were trash, but now it is much better.
Giefâs clp,Shp,Shk,S.mp,headbutt are all good.
There are so many other character has only short/slow footsies.
Does he have combos
Sure not, gief has terrible and limited lariat combo.
Can he confirm into anything
Almost none, apart from CA
Can he play shimmy
i hate Gief has to take the fucking risk for each guessing.
Is Spd speed good
In offensive moment, it is still fair.
In defensive moment, it is nothing.
Is lariat good
Lariat should has 2-3 frame faster startup.
When I see characters like Ken, Karin, Necalli, Chun, and basically everyone other than Gief lol I say to myself, âdamn it must be nice using a character with so many tools and options.â Then I go play Gief and itâs just pretty pathetic how limited he is. I honestly believe at the highest levels he loses every single mu. Take Ken for example, that character is a total joke imo and you can just play brain dead and win while we have to play damn near perfect and still might lose. Every character from 4 got way better and we got way worse. Gief went from below average in 4 to complete dookie tier now. And we have to wait almost a year for balance changes? Good lord guys this is gonna be painful for all of us.
Gief still need some more enhancement in my opinion.
-
The hitbox of JMK is terrible, this attack should be supposed to hit low, but it often whiff on ducking opponent, fuck damn it.
-
Damage buff on EXairSPD, on the otherhand, all AirSPD should has invincibility time.
All we know it is very hard to guarantee a chance to grab a AirSPD, but once I see my AirSPD being traded, I becoming mad & frustrated. -
Instant armor start up in EXRBG, and a larger hitbox (grab range)/faster running speed.
May be same speed/grab range as Hugoâs meatsquasher. -
clk>slk can be linked.
-
2F faster startup in headbutt
-
Larger hitbox on VT, I have no idea why my VT has shorter range than my GH in SFIV, fuck.
-
HeavyRBG is a trash move, Capcom should think some more idea how should make is useful.
Capcom should never designing some move which can never be used.
I may only can use this move when opponent stun? lol I would prefer EXSPD/EXRBG for more beautiful animation when finishing my lovely stunning opponents.
Sorry for the delay on Zangief MU writeups, they are coming this week. Been just really busy with life. But on other topics, I hit ranked again last week and managed to reach super gold/6500 lp with Zangief. Played few games also with my Birdie, there was Nash-army online and playing Gief would be suicide in that enviroment. Im going to upload few of my games and analyze what i did right and what wrong. I learn alot from watching my own footage and hopefully people here get something too. Look forward for those this week, my fellow cossack dancers.
I think I have found the perfect change for Zief. Make Lariat both reg. and VT hit like an overhead (mid attack).
This would allow his combos into Lariat to be so much more useful (right now you canât combo to Lariat when the opp. is crouching). This would also set up his other moves better as well. According to Capcom (in their official character guide) Gief is suppose to get his opp. blocking to set up his throws, however, he doesnât really have a move that has to be blocked consistently (both charge HP and Lariat can be doged by crouching and then go for easy sweep attempt, etc). By making the Lariats hit mid, the fear of the lariat would be real as they wouldnât be able to crouch unless making a hard read to counter with a sweep which in turn will make people think twice about jumping in and trying to mix things up close range with Zief.
Then for VT, it still wouldnât be able to combo from light attacks, etc but they would only be able to block it standing. If they were crouching that could get caught which could lead to some pretty nasty resets.
Thoughts?
I would happily trade the 40 damage for exspd(hit invincible) wakeup option that also will work as an anti frametrap option too.
I hate that even if I know what they are going to do⌠i cant do anythingâŚ
stuck at gold/ultra silver because of the lack of toolsâŚcapcom could probably just improve vskill for gief not to take any damage on it its vulnerable to grab anyways
Either that or allow flex to be +5 on hit which would allow you to combo into SPD. That would definitely be worth the risk.
Iâm trying not to get discouraged. Spent the last week trying to make Lariat more viable. I think the only chance we have for Zief in the current state is to master iron body and flexâŚ
Which is easier said than done. Oh well I guess it comes with territory. Just stinks because Zief and Balrog are the main guys I want to use. Just hope I donât abandon Zief once Balrog is released.
best/most reliable combo for lariat headbutt s.lk lariat HOLD FORWARD THE ENTIRE TIME
Yea I know.
Do any of you guys do light spd after a jumpin - headbutt - fwd.lk chain? It does a shit ton of stun if people dont know they have to jump. Ifyoudo ex spd then you obviously can do a meaty headbutt after. And if leople start jumping against the mixup then you can start doing air spd. Im a skrub but this things pretty neat and i got a 16 win streak doing it and also paying more attention to mixups after i anti air against someone. Cheers gief mates.
i try to mix it up
jump in >SPD
Jump in >c.lp>spd
Jmp in > c.lp>c.lp>spd
jump in>c.lp>headbutt
jump in >clp>clp>clp
SnakeEyes âGief is kind of Deadâ
You were saying?
He doesnât have ridiculous frame traps, invincible moves, corner carry, side switches or hit confirms into standing resets w/o VT either. There would be nothing broken about combo into EX SPD IMO.