Ok so any wesker players reading this thread that like to play on ranked?
Yeah evidently you all suck 
Because no good players EVER play online.
Good players play online, just the guys you lose to (anybody who would dare raw port more than once every few matches at a serious tournament) are not real players.
The good ones would be calling an assist first any way. Go play some of the better Wesker players on Peaceful Jayâs 24/7 stream like EliteR3mix. He doesnât port unless he calls Spencer assist first.
Well if you want to go to the extremes of tournament level play, then a lot of tactics players use that often work well probably wonât fly there either. That does not excuse its effectiveness otherwise though.
And the tournament scene is not the be-all, end-all of fighting games.
Just to be clear-- these players iâve encountered donât teleport mindlessly like fools. Theyâll wait for openings, whiffed attacks, confusion, mindgames, etc. But yeah assist covering is usually not a necessity.
If you just sit there and donât whiff anything they canât raw port. All you have to do is just sit there against a raw porting Wesker and if he raw ports you fuck him up. Itâs that easy. Thereâs only like one specific spot on the screen where Wesker can do a raw port and legit mix you up and itâs still highly punishable. He can only do anything if you didnât press a button or air throw after the port.
If you just sit there and wait an assist is an ABSOLUTE NECESSARY. If they raw port and youâ're not pressing anythingâŚtheyâre getting hit period especially offline. Thereâs no openings, whiffed attacks, confusion, mind games with something that has no hit box and literally has over a second worth of total frames that it uses in the game. Itâs nothing more than a wave dash that travels across the screen that you canât block during.
The only reason they donât need to call an assist is because you keep pressing buttons and doing unsafe movements before they port.
âExtremesâ? lol. All it takes to figure out how to beat raw teleports is a few seconds in training mode. Thatâs it. Tracking ports like Danteâs are even easier to beat because you know EXACTLY where they will appear every time.
Why are you hitting buttons? This is your other problem. Youâre giving them opportunities to derp all over your face.
Ummm no its not that easy. Like i said they arenât just mindlessly doing this, theyâre using various tactics & mindgames involved, as well as waiting for me as well.
Not as simple to just ânot do anythingâ and wait for them to teleport.
I like the way you guys assume that anyone who wouldnât always assist-cover a teleport must automatically be some dolt with no sense of strategyâŚ
Care to elaborate?
In an intense match when iâm trying to defend/mount an offensive, i shoudnât âhit buttons?â
Just sit there and turtle for the eventual teleport? I think not.
Youâve caught us, weâre all lying to you. Teleports are unstoppable. Might as well switch games now that the catâs out of the bag.
Yall are going to start playing Trish one of these days.
Sheâs anti-bullshit. Love not having to deal with all that foolishness. Trish with a good offensive assist blows the hinges off gimmick strategies.
Pretty much any way a teleport could be utilized. Think outside the box a little, the move is not useless simply because an assist is not covering it.
Plenty of mindgames and tactics that can be employed.
⌠I believe I asked for examples. Stop dodging.
Also no one said the move was useless, weâre saying that the way itâs being used against you is easily punishable.
Youâre right. Teleports are utterly useless without assist covering, and couldnât possibly be used effectively on their own in any way.
A solo wesker without assist now has a worthless move :rolleyes:
Not dodging anything, Iâve already mentioned stuff. Just imagine what a Good player whose only left with Wesker might do involving teleports(and more than runaway).
Baiting, mindgames, waiting for missed moves, teleporting close amidst confusion, chasing, pseudo cross-ups, etc. Theyâre fast enough to do all of the above.
You say this yet you keep asking for examples of what i mean. Clearly you donât know what youâre talking about with that statement.
Chipping in and agreeing that raw ports with wesker are garbage.
Baiting? For what? If I hear the teleport, I donât have to throw out anything with massive recovery. Tapping L or M just once is fine. Howâs he going to punish that?
Missed moves? And sorry, but if you are saying that he is punishing your wiffed H from distance⌠then what the hell are you pressing buttons for from that far away?
Lol. âmindgamesâ. Superjump gun into either ground port or sideways port? Oh noes, so threatening.
Pseudo cross up? But Iâm not afraid of the cross up, Iâm not blocking, Iâm just hitting him out of it.
Basically, your whole issue is that for some reason, you canât on reaction hit one button to stop the teleport. If you can agree that the rest of us can do this, then youâll understand where we are coming from.
The safest way is to block the teleport
Baiting what, exactly? No one is going to fall for him teleporting backwards or w/e, get that shit outta here.
Missed moves? Wtf are you throwing out that has such massive recovery that he can port in and hit you? And if that IS the case for you, why do you keep throwing out said moves?
Mindgames? Not much mindgame going on when you can slap him as soon as he ports.
Confusion? Howâs he going to create confusion by himself? He would use an assist for that, which is how GOOD players play Wesker, WHICH IS WHAT WEâVE BEEN TELLING YOU THIS WHOLE TIME.
Pseudo-cross up? HE IS UNSAFE W/O AN ASSIST, YOU JUST HIT HIM WHEN HE PORTS JESUS AFNCIOPQ@E(JH#WBQNWU*()Q@
Wow, you really couldnât figure out what I meant? Iâll say it, again: Teleport is good when backed with an assist. By itself, it is very punishable on reaction. You claim the opposite, which is 100% FALSE).
Having fought strong Weskers, and being a former Wesker player myself, Iâm pretty sure I know the chara better than you doâŚ
Ok, so what Iâve gathered is that you:
a) donât understand how to fight Wesker
b) have poor reactions/defense, as you canât punish an unprotected move with ~20F recovery
c) are impatient when you play, since you seem to think my idea of ânot hitting buttonsâ during neutral is preposterous
Small wonder you lose to this nonsenseâŚ
Thereâs nothing else I can say to you, just going in circles now.
Wow.
I mean, Itâs one thing not to know much about anti-teleport tech, but itâs another when good players are giving you input and advice and youâre using bad logic and netplay to dispute it. Thatâs not what you do in a competitive fighting game forum, especially looking down on the tournament scene (if you donât care about tournaments, then why are you here?).
I know Capcom has a soft spot for the casuals, but I doubt theyâre gonna nerf teleports anytime soon.
If you just sit there itâs much easier to read someone whoâs going to just raw teleport than someone who calls an assist. You can easily react to all the basic stuff they do and then when they do a raw port just punish that. At this point though for you it wouldnât matter because you would just get straight massacred by anyone who does assist + teleport if youâre already losing to highly punishable stuff.
Haha, just like my post, but angrier!
Ha, only just thought about that. If you couldnât defend against raw ports, assist + teleport would be terrifying.
lol assist plus teleport is the cheese. ill never be convinced otherwise nor that raw teleports are as âassâ as people claim them to be⌠i see them waaaay to much at high level play even in grandfinals of tournaments for me to listen to the internet to NOT believe my eyes. xf3 wesker makes an entire living off of raw teleports and players such as x-ray do it all the time without getting punished.
saying they are shit is like saying fireballs are shit cause people can jump over them⌠OH MY GOD YOU CAN JUMP FIREBALLS? they must be shit. OH MY GOD YOU CAN PUNISH PREDICTABLE RAW TELEPORTS⌠they must be shit⌠after all no one knows how to mask the humping animation via buffers and everyone can defend against assist plus teleport cause there opponents always do them at the same points in there strings⌠tsk tsk
sigh, theory fighter in full force i suspect.
the one cool thing about assist plus teleport is that most assists used for teleport mixups (besides sent) cause a shitload of damage reduction⌠thank god. anywho ive switched to teleport cheese myself. fuck it this game is stupid so might as well be stupid as well.
-dime