Your Least Favorite Match-Up

I find that a lot of adons will jaguar tooth in and then immediately jaguar knee. I think your best bet is blocking and waiting to see what they do. I had adon jaguar tooth + jaguar knee in training and I couldn’t find anything that was quick enough to use in between the two . Just block the tooth and keep blocking for a second after to see what he does. If they just do a tooth by itself you have a lot of options of course.

Gief more than anyone else, also a really good Guile. Gief because he is always a problem no matter what character I play for some reason and Guile because I tend to get shut down by his Sonic Booms and crazy Normals.

Chun and Blanka still give me trouble but I’m finding the Boxer match-up much easier since Vanilla thanks to U2

Bad match ups

Bison, Blanka and Cody are my worst. Haven’t fought to many Chuns online.

A friend of mine has a mean geif so I have learned the match up pretty well.

I’ve found Ultra II helps against Guile. You can punish sonic booms with it where you couldn’t in vanilla. Also I’ve had ultra II go under Sonic hurricane.

I’ll admit it. Ive got sort of a jealousy issue going on. I’ve been maining abel since vanilla was released on consoles, but like everyone else, ive been trying to learn new super characters. during my experimenting, ive discovered my new least fav matchup:

I hate newb abels that are picking him up only because of breathless.

It’s not that I can’t beat them. No no, far from it. It’s the fact that i feel like they are ruining abels reputation by trying to scrub out a wins with random u2s. having seen so few abels in vanilla, i really felt like abel was MINE and mine only…playing a mirror was usually fun bc it was so infrequent…plus it was sortve an ego thing to prove you had the better abel.

now though, ever since super came out…sigh… now i see abels every other ranked match (they even creep into endless lobbies!), and im just like fuck, another new abel that will without fail, will only do 3 moves in the match: COD, wheel kick, and random Ultra 2. its like when vanilla first came out and everyone jumped on the ken wagon so they could mash dp. i can almost feel the anti-abel stigma rapidly building. and i am saddened by it.

So to all you new abels who are trying to jump on the breathless wagon…please do abel a favor and go back to your mains. Or go pick up Juri (I hear expinwheel is right up your alley). And if you’re thinking to yourself…“go fuck yourself, patrollin…what gives you the right to play abel and no one else?” you’d be 100% right. Nothing gives me the right. But ask yourselves this: have you mashed U2 lately?

Generally characters with dive kicks, because the anti-air cr.HP juggle usually gets stuffed by those. Blanka with input delay is just tedious because it gets much harder to counter his blanka balls with standing MP, and generally makes scrubby spam tactics less risky for him. Also Zangief because he shuts down your entire offensive game and turns the game into a boring turtlefest. (as always)

go fuck yourself, patrollin…what gives you the right to play abel and no one else? …haha, I feel your pain, but they have to start somewhere. I started using Abel in March of last year and vanilla sf4 was my first fighting game shadowed only by sf2 on snes, never tried any other character, so I only know how to use Abel, embarrassing I know. It would be nice to have something though in the point system that showed how long one has been using Abel so we can wear a veteran badge as I feel we had something to prove back in vanilla with never ending up hill battles and the hard victories won were recognized. Anyways, I’m off topic. I think good C.Viper’s are a hard F!#@$ng match up. I’ve mashed u2 on a few matches when I’m on the defensive doesn’t come out as easy as u1. :slight_smile:

Rushdown Vipers have been bending me over. I’ll have to try more wheel kicks and FAs like the matchup thread says.

Akuma really gets under my skin cause he can pressure Abel so well but can just throw me around and then when I go to poke or tech a throw he can uppercut and beat anything I have clean. Then I feel like the only answer is to out guess and bait the uppercut to punish it. But it always feels like a guessing game that’s clearly in his favor. I seem to eat more throws in this match than any other cause I just end up turtling up.

I hate fighting dictator more than anything. I know its not his worst match up, but it is absolutely the one I hate the most.

I used to realllllly dislike the chun match too - but keeping breathless always cocked in your mind really shuts down a lot of her attack options (difficult to counter jump-ins and some of her more meaty pokes), so if you have a lead - its pretty easy to keep it with breathless ready.

wow at some of the posts… i wont waste my time hating on scrubs who mashes u2 etc, and the feeling of “abel is mine” is kinda fucked up lmao

re:chars with divekicks - its gonna be a bitch dealing with them when they’re on the offense and in close range, thats why my strategy is mostly dont give them the chance to get in the range to do dive kicks mixups. if i get caught in the mixups, ill be patient and block everything while late teching throws and ex roll or something when theres an opening…

re:input delay blanka - i dont see the connection between delaying input and counterin his rolls… use cr.lp instead, spam that shit if you feel like it lol… st/crmp can be used if he got predictable with the rolls but cr.lp can be done on reaction almost every time.

lol@veteran badge…

re:rushdown vipers - be careful to FA only when youre sure its a burning kick and at a distance where she cant do thunder knuckles… wheel kicks aint THAT good anyway imo… its not about doing them more, its more about doing them at the right time and properly…

re:akuma problem - learn to be better at late teching throws… and work on your offense against him.

re:chun li - im not sure if i prefer breathless in this matchup…

Blanka and Dahlism in general though I believe Ibuki has an advantage with Geif and T hawk just being annoying.

Blanka and Cammy. I hate playing against Blanka because of his somewhat cowardly playstyle (at least it’s cowardly for scrubby Blankas), that annoying electricity and the (most of the time) safe rolls.
Cammy is annoying because in my opinion, it’s really hard to keep up the pressure and if you bait a srk without getting away, you can’t punish it on block except with ultra (correct me if I’m wrong).
I also often loose to good Sakura players. But that’s my fault i don’ think the matchup’s bad at all. It’s just that i fail to interrupt her rushdown and i always fall for the resets.

My worst Match ups are Blanka, Ken and Dhalsim.

Ken’s pokes are godly against Abel and on wake up it’s really hard to pressure him.

Blanka as most jump about randomly and throw / electricute. I have got better at this match ups but i think online makes it that much harder due to lag that is always present when playing.

Dhalsim is really annoying becasue he can runn away and it is really hard pinning him down and getting through all the pokes :(.

I know this may sound dum but how the hell do you learn a match up conpetently? As i wasn to be a really good player but some times i feel i lose to people who are less skilled and it vex’s me soo much! lol

Chun Li

Correction: Blanka balls and Cammy’s srk are ALWAYS punishable on block. Though I prefer to just crouch jab balls out of the air, if you blocked one standing you can dash, twd.mk -> pain. Same with Cammy, only way easier.

Chun, Gief and Rufus are all dumb match ups

that seriously works? i find it hard to believe with cammy at least.

1.) blanka ball (any except EX) OR cammy cannon spike

Block -> dash, f.mk?

… Holy shit.

YES - ANY BLOCKED CANNON SPIKE CAN BE PUNISHED FOR BIG DAMAGE.
YES - A BLOCKED BLANKA BALL CAN BE PUNISHED WITH DASH FORWARD F+MK

If you find those two things “hard to believe” then you should either a) stop playing the fucking game or b) go try it for yourself in the training room.

Fuck.