XBOX One will play used games. But you have to pay

Hotobu · May 23, 2013, 6:51am

sikwidit:

**The sad thing is that we are only 20 percent. They really dont give a fuck about us, we may not like what the console brings and what it means for the future but if you check out the sites that the “casual market” probably stop by and the news they watch, those outlets were actually praising the new system. So it seems like mission accomplished for them right now.
**
I guess the next step would be the games they show at E3 and then finally when the system releases and people will then vote with their wallets.

Personally I dont really like this digital only method of distribution that the industry is trying to force on everyone. It really just makes you wonder about what you really own, I mean you pay so much money for something that seems like a rental with some massive restrictions. That really pertains to both the system and the games.

Don’t be so sure about that. We’re what’s called a “vocal minority.” First and foremost if enough of us don’t buy it, and then there’s enough of a backlash companies will listen. These so called “casual gamers” that people love to talk about don’t go on forums like this to voice their complaints, but the ones that aren’t early adopters will happen across the feedback of people who don’t buy stuff for whatever reason and that will guide their purchases.

maxx · May 23, 2013, 7:58am

fuck no. ps2 taught me you never buy a system on launch. glitch centralll. i’m especially not interested in xbox:skynet…unless some drastic changes happen between now and launch hell no.

Wellman · May 23, 2013, 8:36am

You know what, I’m 28 and my older less hip relatives tell me it is time to give up gaming.

The Xbox One almost drove me to think they were right. Hopefully they will learn from and patch this mistake because the lack of backwards compatibility is bad enough but the idea of not even being able to borrow games from friends is some new age bullshit.

bboysanstorm · May 23, 2013, 8:47am

Yea I feel u dawg.

But I thinking about changing my mind and giving the game industry my money to support the gaming business orientation.

I like the direction.
tv on console. Soooo sick.

I luv it, been supporting game industry since nes, but I think this the direction to go!
its time for the corporations take it back what we owe.

give it a chance, microsoft will know we luv it. Dont u all?

SoVi3t · May 23, 2013, 8:48am

The entire debut press conference was aimed at my parents. Very little actual gameplay or gaming discussion at all, just info on how this would be some sort of central media hub rather than an XBox. If I want to get something like that, I would rather get a NAS from somebody like QNAP. Or stick with my obviously superior PC.

This entire debacle can be called nothing less than a blunder.

Sony should just make a commercial of them pointing and laughing. At a 360, the screen, random people, whatever. Winning.

edit: what’s the thoughts from the various third party dev’s? I’m sure EA and Rockstar and Capcom and whoever else, loves the fact that consumers HAVE to pay them a ton of money (and probably MS gets a cut, if I had to guess). How about the more obscure third party companies?

What about shit like obscure titles, or not common games? Dunno about you, but it wasn’t exactly easy to find some of the street fighting games this gen in my area. I don’t think I’ve ever seen some Blazblue titles brand new, for instance. So I might be relegated to buying used games and paying full price for inferior product, simply because the local Walmart and EB and Gamestop and etc doesn’t consider it a title that would sell in that area at the time? A lot of games become hard to find brand new years after they release. This is a slap in the face to dedicated gamers, and an anus puckering raping to casual gamers who at the very least deserve the ability to be introduced to new titles and genres through used games and trades and etc.

I’ve supported MS for DECADES, and this is easily the most retarded, offensive thing they’ve done in awhile. This is Monsanto levels of evil, but…wow. WTF?

crotchpuncha · May 23, 2013, 8:49am

Have no fucking clue what you’re trying to say half the time.

Geese_Pants · May 23, 2013, 9:12am

http://youtu.be/Y508_rXPogQ

I watched the whole thing…and got NOTHING out of it to say “wow, that’s cool”.
I guess I’ll wait until E3 for more information.

SoVi3t · May 23, 2013, 9:18am

^^01:39

sounded like backpedalling

Geese_Pants · May 23, 2013, 9:36am

Wired: What’s going on with used games? What about borrowed games? There’s a lot of speculation today. Can you clear some of that up? For example, we have multiple Xboxes in my house and trade games all the time. If we have multiple Xbox One consoles, can we still do that?

Harrison: Absolutely, just like you can today. You take the disc, install “the bits” on every machine you have in your house from the same disc, and anybody in your household can play that game. You have exactly the same restrictions that you have today, as in only one of you can play that game at a time because you only have one disc. But anybody in that house… well, the Xbox Live account… it goes for both the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One, and any user inside that house.

Wired: So as another example, if I took my disc and went to a friend’s house, would I be able to play that game on his machine?

Harrison: Yes, you can. You can take your game around to your friend’s house just as you would today — that’s assuming you have a physical disc — and what we’re doing with the new Live technology is that… with the disc, it’s just a repository for “the bits”. You can put that disc into his drive, you can play the game while you’re there, and then you go home and take that disc with you. But actually, “the bits” are still on his drive. If your friend decides that he really likes to play that game, then he can go buy it instantly, and it doesn’t need to download again. It’s already there. Once he’s paid for it, it’s immediately there.

Wired: So the discs that will be sold will essentially be start-up discs, and then the game isn’t really connected to the disc anymore once it’s been installed?

Harrison: Once you put the disc into your machine, you never need it again. If you want to keep it, that’s great. You can do that. But you can also download the game. You don’t actually have to have a physical disc after that point, but you can then share that disc with your friends which is basically a great way of distributing the content to other people.

Also, let me turn this around the other way. A game can be completely on a disc, with no additional content downloaded. You install the game on your hard drive, and other than pinging for Achievements and other multiplayer connectivity, then that’s it. That’s the end of it. Each game is on a case-by-case basis. But, I think it is very likely, that because of the inherent connectivity designed into the platform, that developers would want to expand and extend an experience over time.

Confused yet again…so the physical Xbox One games will be like PC games?

maxx · May 23, 2013, 9:40am

Geese_Pants:

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/phil-harrison-xbox-one/

Wired: What’s going on with used games? What about borrowed games? There’s a lot of speculation today. Can you clear some of that up? For example, we have multiple Xboxes in my house and trade games all the time. If we have multiple Xbox One consoles, can we still do that?

Harrison: Absolutely, just like you can today. You take the disc, install “the bits” on every machine you have in your house from the same disc, and anybody in your household can play that game. You have exactly the same restrictions that you have today, as in only one of you can play that game at a time because you only have one disc. But anybody in that house… well, the Xbox Live account… it goes for both the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One, and any user inside that house.

Wired: So as another example, if I took my disc and went to a friend’s house, would I be able to play that game on his machine?

Harrison: Yes, you can. You can take your game around to your friend’s house just as you would today — that’s assuming you have a physical disc — and what we’re doing with the new Live technology is that… with the disc, it’s just a repository for “the bits”. You can put that disc into his drive, you can play the game while you’re there, and then you go home and take that disc with you. But actually, “the bits” are still on his drive. If your friend decides that he really likes to play that game, then he can go buy it instantly, and it doesn’t need to download again. It’s already there. Once he’s paid for it, it’s immediately there.

Wired: So the discs that will be sold will essentially be start-up discs, and then the game isn’t really connected to the disc anymore once it’s been installed?

Harrison: Once you put the disc into your machine, you never need it again. If you want to keep it, that’s great. You can do that. But you can also download the game. You don’t actually have to have a physical disc after that point, but you can then share that disc with your friends which is basically a great way of distributing the content to other people.

Also, let me turn this around the other way. A game can be completely on a disc, with no additional content downloaded. You install the game on your hard drive, and other than pinging for Achievements and other multiplayer connectivity, then that’s it. That’s the end of it. Each game is on a case-by-case basis. But, I think it is very likely, that because of the inherent connectivity designed into the platform, that developers would want to expand and extend an experience over time.

Confused yet again…so the physical Xbox One games will be like PC games?

does this cause more problems or less for the fgc community?

bboysanstorm · May 23, 2013, 9:43am

crotchpuncha:

bboysanstorm:

Wellman:

You know what, I’m 28 and my older less hip relatives tell me it is time to give up gaming.

The Xbox One almost drove me to think they were right. Hopefully they will learn from and patch this mistake because the lack of backwards compatibility is bad enough but the idea of not even being able to borrow games from friends is some new age bullshit.

Yea I feel u dawg.

But I thinking about changing my mind and giving the game industry my money to support the gaming business orientation.

I like the direction.
tv on console. Soooo sick.

I luv it, been supporting game industry since nes, but I think this the direction to go!
its time for the corporations take it back what we owe.

give it a chance, microsoft will know we luv it. Dont u all?

Have no fucking clue what you’re trying to say half the time.

Backfire sarcasm dawg.

Hawkingbird · May 23, 2013, 9:54am

Geese_Pants:

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/phil-harrison-xbox-one/

Wired: What’s going on with used games? What about borrowed games? There’s a lot of speculation today. Can you clear some of that up? For example, we have multiple Xboxes in my house and trade games all the time. If we have multiple Xbox One consoles, can we still do that?

Harrison: Absolutely, just like you can today. You take the disc, install “the bits” on every machine you have in your house from the same disc, and anybody in your household can play that game. You have exactly the same restrictions that you have today, as in only one of you can play that game at a time because you only have one disc. But anybody in that house… well, the Xbox Live account… it goes for both the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One, and any user inside that house.

Wired: So as another example, if I took my disc and went to a friend’s house, would I be able to play that game on his machine?

Harrison: Yes, you can. You can take your game around to your friend’s house just as you would today — that’s assuming you have a physical disc — and what we’re doing with the new Live technology is that… with the disc, it’s just a repository for “the bits”. You can put that disc into his drive, you can play the game while you’re there, and then you go home and take that disc with you. But actually, “the bits” are still on his drive. If your friend decides that he really likes to play that game, then he can go buy it instantly, and it doesn’t need to download again. It’s already there. Once he’s paid for it, it’s immediately there.

Wired: So the discs that will be sold will essentially be start-up discs, and then the game isn’t really connected to the disc anymore once it’s been installed?

Harrison: Once you put the disc into your machine, you never need it again. If you want to keep it, that’s great. You can do that. But you can also download the game. You don’t actually have to have a physical disc after that point, but you can then share that disc with your friends which is basically a great way of distributing the content to other people.

Also, let me turn this around the other way. A game can be completely on a disc, with no additional content downloaded. You install the game on your hard drive, and other than pinging for Achievements and other multiplayer connectivity, then that’s it. That’s the end of it. Each game is on a case-by-case basis. But, I think it is very likely, that because of the inherent connectivity designed into the platform, that developers would want to expand and extend an experience over time.

Confused yet again…so the physical Xbox One games will be like PC games?

The interviewer didn’t bring up the fee at all. I think that’s kinda important

maxx · May 23, 2013, 9:56am

Hawkingbird:

Geese_Pants:

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/phil-harrison-xbox-one/

Wired: What’s going on with used games? What about borrowed games? There’s a lot of speculation today. Can you clear some of that up? For example, we have multiple Xboxes in my house and trade games all the time. If we have multiple Xbox One consoles, can we still do that?

Harrison: Absolutely, just like you can today. You take the disc, install “the bits” on every machine you have in your house from the same disc, and anybody in your household can play that game. You have exactly the same restrictions that you have today, as in only one of you can play that game at a time because you only have one disc. But anybody in that house… well, the Xbox Live account… it goes for both the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One, and any user inside that house.

Wired: So as another example, if I took my disc and went to a friend’s house, would I be able to play that game on his machine?

Harrison: Yes, you can. You can take your game around to your friend’s house just as you would today — that’s assuming you have a physical disc — and what we’re doing with the new Live technology is that… with the disc, it’s just a repository for “the bits”. You can put that disc into his drive, you can play the game while you’re there, and then you go home and take that disc with you. But actually, “the bits” are still on his drive. If your friend decides that he really likes to play that game, then he can go buy it instantly, and it doesn’t need to download again. It’s already there. Once he’s paid for it, it’s immediately there.

Wired: So the discs that will be sold will essentially be start-up discs, and then the game isn’t really connected to the disc anymore once it’s been installed?

Harrison: Once you put the disc into your machine, you never need it again. If you want to keep it, that’s great. You can do that. But you can also download the game. You don’t actually have to have a physical disc after that point, but you can then share that disc with your friends which is basically a great way of distributing the content to other people.

Also, let me turn this around the other way. A game can be completely on a disc, with no additional content downloaded. You install the game on your hard drive, and other than pinging for Achievements and other multiplayer connectivity, then that’s it. That’s the end of it. Each game is on a case-by-case basis. But, I think it is very likely, that because of the inherent connectivity designed into the platform, that developers would want to expand and extend an experience over time.

Confused yet again…so the physical Xbox One games will be like PC games?

The interviewer didn’t bring up the fee at all. I think that’s kinda important

i have trouble believing in the very end…its gonna cost us money to play at a friends house with our own game.

SoVi3t · May 23, 2013, 10:02am

Geese_Pants:

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/phil-harrison-xbox-one/

Wired: What’s going on with used games? What about borrowed games? There’s a lot of speculation today. Can you clear some of that up? For example, we have multiple Xboxes in my house and trade games all the time. If we have multiple Xbox One consoles, can we still do that?

Harrison: Absolutely, just like you can today. You take the disc, install “the bits” on every machine you have in your house from the same disc, and anybody in your household can play that game. You have exactly the same restrictions that you have today, as in only one of you can play that game at a time because you only have one disc. But anybody in that house… well, the Xbox Live account… it goes for both the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One, and any user inside that house.

Wired: So as another example, if I took my disc and went to a friend’s house, would I be able to play that game on his machine?

Harrison: Yes, you can. You can take your game around to your friend’s house just as you would today — that’s assuming you have a physical disc — and what we’re doing with the new Live technology is that… with the disc, it’s just a repository for “the bits”. You can put that disc into his drive, you can play the game while you’re there, and then you go home and take that disc with you. But actually, “the bits” are still on his drive. If your friend decides that he really likes to play that game, then he can go buy it instantly, and it doesn’t need to download again. It’s already there. Once he’s paid for it, it’s immediately there.

Wired: So the discs that will be sold will essentially be start-up discs, and then the game isn’t really connected to the disc anymore once it’s been installed?

Harrison: Once you put the disc into your machine, you never need it again. If you want to keep it, that’s great. You can do that. But you can also download the game. You don’t actually have to have a physical disc after that point, but you can then share that disc with your friends which is basically a great way of distributing the content to other people.

Also, let me turn this around the other way. A game can be completely on a disc, with no additional content downloaded. You install the game on your hard drive, and other than pinging for Achievements and other multiplayer connectivity, then that’s it. That’s the end of it. Each game is on a case-by-case basis. But, I think it is very likely, that because of the inherent connectivity designed into the platform, that developers would want to expand and extend an experience over time.

Confused yet again…so the physical Xbox One games will be like PC games?

I like how they keep bringing up “yeah you can play on any console in your house” when you have to have your specific profile logged in. So if you want to play Street Fighter V, and at the same time so does your brother upstairs, he better have his own copy. Because you can’t both use the same profile.

the PR spin on this is horrendous. After the smoke clears, fuck firing people. Bring back the guillotine.

maxx · May 23, 2013, 10:04am

SoVi3t:

Geese_Pants:

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/phil-harrison-xbox-one/

Wired: What’s going on with used games? What about borrowed games? There’s a lot of speculation today. Can you clear some of that up? For example, we have multiple Xboxes in my house and trade games all the time. If we have multiple Xbox One consoles, can we still do that?

Harrison: Absolutely, just like you can today. You take the disc, install “the bits” on every machine you have in your house from the same disc, and anybody in your household can play that game. You have exactly the same restrictions that you have today, as in only one of you can play that game at a time because you only have one disc. But anybody in that house… well, the Xbox Live account… it goes for both the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One, and any user inside that house.

Wired: So as another example, if I took my disc and went to a friend’s house, would I be able to play that game on his machine?

Harrison: Yes, you can. You can take your game around to your friend’s house just as you would today — that’s assuming you have a physical disc — and what we’re doing with the new Live technology is that… with the disc, it’s just a repository for “the bits”. You can put that disc into his drive, you can play the game while you’re there, and then you go home and take that disc with you. But actually, “the bits” are still on his drive. If your friend decides that he really likes to play that game, then he can go buy it instantly, and it doesn’t need to download again. It’s already there. Once he’s paid for it, it’s immediately there.

Wired: So the discs that will be sold will essentially be start-up discs, and then the game isn’t really connected to the disc anymore once it’s been installed?

Harrison: Once you put the disc into your machine, you never need it again. If you want to keep it, that’s great. You can do that. But you can also download the game. You don’t actually have to have a physical disc after that point, but you can then share that disc with your friends which is basically a great way of distributing the content to other people.

Also, let me turn this around the other way. A game can be completely on a disc, with no additional content downloaded. You install the game on your hard drive, and other than pinging for Achievements and other multiplayer connectivity, then that’s it. That’s the end of it. Each game is on a case-by-case basis. But, I think it is very likely, that because of the inherent connectivity designed into the platform, that developers would want to expand and extend an experience over time.

Confused yet again…so the physical Xbox One games will be like PC games?

I like how they keep bringing up “yeah you can play on any console in your house” when you have to have your specific profile logged in. So if you want to play Street Fighter V, and at the same time so does your brother upstairs, he better have his own copy. Because you can’t both use the same profile.

the PR spin on this is horrendous. After the smoke clears, fuck firing people. Bring back the guillotine.

it also felt like they were implying everyone in the family is gonna have a xbox:skynet. im sorry we aignt all ballin and headin to the hamptons every weekend.

lol@ the idea they are forcing programs onto a friends system. curious what will happen if the skynet is full. will you not be able to play cause it wont let you download the “bits”…even though you have the cd.

ElderGOD · May 23, 2013, 10:08am

I’m going to keep it real simple by not buying it.

XthAtGAm3RGuYX · May 23, 2013, 10:16am

I’m not sure they can still save it after this disastrous reveal, but there is still time to change things like in this current generation before it was released. Remember the boomerang controller for PS3 that never being the final product?

Amazing_Funbags · May 23, 2013, 10:18am

Aw man those things were the butt of so many jokes.

http://www.gamexeon.com/forum/imagehosting/201111/44194ece58deacee2.jpg

Negative-Zer0 · May 23, 2013, 10:25am

As long as there is no used game fee, and once a day online is removed, i am good. If not say good buy bye to my $400 microsoft

EDIT: lol

maxx · May 23, 2013, 10:29am

i can see the once a day thing only being required for certain next gen games that require you to update constantly or have some crazy multiplayer world. like a sleeping dogs type game…i could see that needing constant connection to online. everything thats being worked is basically to destroy the industry thats been built around the usually major 2-3 systems at the time. trying to kill 3rd party developers in terms of hardware…trying to kill gamespy/redbox/gamestop and basically we’re just the biproduct victims of it all.