So Microsoft finally actually came out and said they weren’t showing anything this year. People were wondering if Microsoft was trying to rush their stuff to get their system out as soon as possible so I think it’s more a good thing than anything. They better make sure that console is in tip top shape when it comes up especially if they’re even thinking of making people pay top dollar for it. I would like to think gamers in the next generation aren’t just bend over take that bs that happened this generation.
That guy’s words feel like they have a small percentage of uncertainty though…
no, its a guaran-damn-tee. My MS source originally said end of 2013, and that was because PS4 was going to launch in 2014. MS is still pretty much rushing this. Next E3 they show it, this E3 they probably just discuss it. I highly doubt they demo it this early. Interestingly enough, they’re bowing out of CES…
I’m pretty sure they do that so that there’s no sales tax because it’s qualified as a service rather than a product. Same reason for itunes, etcetera.
There’s a million versions of Street Fighter 2 and Street Fighter 3. I don’t think you can blame Microsoft for Capcom releasing millions of versions of the same fighting game. It’s what they’ve always done.
You know that XBL has much better connection quality than PSN right? And that’s because of the fees. And I use PSN.
Have you ever tried playing a decent wii game?
Hint: It’s not spoiled by “gimmick bullshit”. Not sure why people are so against a different way of playing.
i don’t have to make a case because we don’t live in a free market. Had you paid attention to the recent bailouts, you would know we live an socialistic society geared for the ultra rich, and ultra big corporations. People don’t have a innate desire to make ones life better, if that was the case Coca-Cola and Hershey would be out of business, people have a desire to make life easier and more convenient. Greed doesn’t create capitalistic type societies, but it always becomes an issue, THE ISSUE, when the established have established themselves within the system.
We aren’t arguing for price fixing, what we arguing is a clear cut example of companies purposely rising prices to maximize profits at the expense of people. This isn’t 1990. I clearly remember my uncle telling me that he bought Megaman X new for 50+ dollars. That was justified, when the tech costs to manufacture a game where high, and gaming was a small niche for a few people. You would think that with your precious capitalistic ideals, games would have gotten cheaper. especially considering that the quality of these products has been deterioration since they where mass produced on the PS1. With more competition, a bigger consumer base, and gaming becoming the norm, you’d think games would be of a higher quality and cheaper, but they aren’t. They are getting more expensive and the quality of the over all game design is getting worse.
BTW, if anything, companies are price fixing their games so they can retain maximum profits, even if its a shitty game. Selling games halfway done, or enticing you to buy the DLC, otherwise you can’t play anymore with friends, trying to get rid of the used game market and blaming it on piracy. Using piracy as an excuse to charge the shit out of you, using piracy to justify registering your game to play online. Next thing you know, you need to pay for online services to use your console to ensure that you are playing a legitimate copy of the game. Someone made the point earlier that trading in actual money for online points so they can keep the prices fixed even if it has been 3-4 years since the game came out.
Consumers don’t take into consideration quality. I understand why CoD is popular. It isn’t hard to see why its so popular. But it doesn’t make it an actually good designed game. I make informed decisions, its why I don’t buy games, and joining the industry is an even bigger uninformed decision.
yes i have, the problem isn’t that i have move my controller to move to the left, but it certainly takes a lot away from it. Take for example Metroid Prime 3. You aren’t going to sit there and justify that the gimmicky set up, point and shoot, didn’t take away some elements. Which it did. And couple that with the flood of shitty games, it easy to see why people are against playing such a gimmicky system.
No, according to Microsoft it’s because that’s what the credit card companies told them to do. And every news report and rumour and even IGN has stated they believe it will be just a straight normal money transaction with the 720.
My point is that MS makes it night impossible to affordably patch and maintain a game. Patches costs you a TON of money, as does even advertising DLC putting it online. They need to make it easier (or possible) for developers to offer free DLC, without it costing an arm and a leg. Why am I paying annual fees for a service that is being bogged down by even more penny pinching?
no, it doesn’t. Not always. I get the same connection for games on my 360 as my PC, and as my roommate gets with his PS3. Sure, you deal with the occasional dialup on PSN, but not so much. I still get shit lag versus certain players. I still get ragequitters that are barely punished and games that become an odd man nightmare when it occurs. I still get matched against the exact same guy 12 matches in a row. It’s basically the netcode of the game that matters, especially when most games on XBL aren’t even on dedicated servers, they’re hosted by somebody. You’re paying all that money to get matched up to somebody else who will be host. Fucking whoopidy doo
Ahhh…the Dreamcast. I still have mine with Soul Calibur and MvC2, such a good system. And then I sold Capcom vs SNK to get money for Continuum Shift, lol.
Aside from piracy. The Dreamcast was amazing because it had the highest Arcade-to-Console ratio I’ve ever seen.
Why toss in a million quarters in Gauntlet Legends, Power Stone, Giga Wing, Dynamite Cop, Crazy Taxi, Virtua Tennis, Silent Scope and Spawn, when you could just play with friends at home?
I don’t buy 2nd hand games so it doesn’t affect me, but I think this is stupid. Then again if it means the price of games comes down then it’ll be a good th ign but that isn’t going to happen!
unless this consoule is amazing… Ill probably invest money in my pc
Like, street fighter is fun n all but i barley play those games (fighting)
Also, how much they charge for arcade games is pretty crazy…
-They price the old ass ones as much as the new ones… I’d rather just let the company sell me 8 games for 50 bucks… (like arcade treasures)
Random ramblings regarding (ALLITERATION) various things in this thread.
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[]I’d rather play an awesome 5 hour game (Gears of War 3) than a mediocre or bad 40+ hour game (Tales of Anything).
[]Gaming today is still awesome.
[]There’s nothing wrong with devices doing more than just playing games.
[]Want to save money? Don’t be in such a rush to buy a new game day one. Wait. Maybe it’ll go down in price. Maybe you’ll find out you don’t want the game after all.
[]Motion controls are bullshit. Very few games use them well. By “very few” I mean the Mario Galaxy titles and the one WarioWare.
[]Touch controls are similar, though there’s an argument for touch controlled 8-bit/16-bit-esque RPGs (aka, Vay on iPhone).
[]FUCK NINTENDO.
[]jinsaotomex3, your avatar is making me feel dirty. I have a job interview in two hours. I blame you if I don’t get it. I’m not actually serious.
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VG industry is not in tight with the govt, so although what you said is important, it is not relevant here. If anything, the fact that other industries are artificially propped up by the govt may be putting more pressure on the busnesses playing by the rules to preform well (less margin of error). As far as your coke/hershey comment; what makes life better is happiness. Many people obviously enjoy coke/chocolate so they use their hard earned $$ to purchase. You are really twisting things here to fit your argument (unless you are referring to something else).
Well lets look at what 1990 $50 looks like 30 years later: http://www.stats.indiana.edu/tools/InflationCalculator.aspx
Its $85.
Are you paying this much for games now? Or are compettitve pressures keeping prices actually lower than the inflation rate?
For a better example, lets take a look at my first console: Atari 2600 released in 1977 for $199
Adjusted for inflation this would be $735.
Now, would Atari 2600 technology sell in todays world for $735? Or did market pressures increase the technoolgy/quality while decreasing prices?(Conversely, $199 which is about what I paid for my xbox in 2008, is about $56 in 1977 dollars - or 1/13th the price of an Atari 2600). Wow, purchasing power has gone up because of my ‘precious capitalism’. hahaa
You then argue that game design quality is getting worse, which seems like another personal opinion. I admit, I get more enjoyment out of atari games then almost any new xbox360 game. This is why I only have a handful of 360 games (the SF4s, SF3OE, SFHRemix, a bunch of $1 XBLIA games and a bunch of joints that my gf buys on her own). I dont go blaming all the idiots in the world becuase I think games are crap. During the FG drought I was waiting for some company to spark the resurgence, and thankfully they did. And consumers validated the decision. Now I have got the products I want and I am happy with the purchases. The end. If I am going to whine about how people should run their business, maybe I should run my own business to fill the niche.
hahaa
Maybe pick up an econ book. All good businesses are going to try to set prices in the sweet spot to maximize profits. You dont seem to understand what price fixing is (or what a business is), unless you are saying that the VG industry is a cartel. It is not. The VG merchant can charge whatever they want, and the VG client is not obligated to purchase. If the customer is not attracted he does not purchase. If he purchases and feels in hindsight it was a mistake, he will probably not return business. The response of the customers will inform future busniess decisions. This is what is going on in the VG business. There is no conspiracy here. Only the market, and individuals who think the world owes them something for nothing.
imo: trying to kill the used game market prematurely may backfire. It will make consumers much more wary about their pruchases. But it is their product, thier call. Theyve probably done the research. But I think a system which doesnt allow users to exchange games while other systems do is at a disadvantage (I woudl like to see this scenario play out). But I think that whenever game purchasing goes completely digital, this will be the case by default.
i am, if people cared about making their lives better they wouldn’t consume said products. People care about cheap convinient products. all of which are mostly shitty products.
but we are talking about rising video game costs. Which they clearly are. Console cost is irrevelant because that is dependent on manufacturing capabilites of said industry, and difficulties of manufacturing electrical components. And market pressure sure as fuck didn’t lower those prices, but leaps in manufacturing processes did.
You missed the point entirely, sure relative to now they are cheap, but the high prices where somewhat justified back then. Prices went down, and then have been steadily increasing since the 6th generation. Supposedly under capitalism, as more people play these games they should get cheaper, but they are increasing in price. Whether its done directly or indirectly. They are going up in price, which is the basis of this wall of text. And if this whole, lol no more used games shit passes through, expect games to go up all the while companies use the whole “we are taking a risk by investing in these games” so we have to make them more expensive to cover costs. Also expect companies to take less risks and develop more shitty generic ADHD fueled games because their shitty business practices forces them to.
But its the idiots fault shitty products are the norm today. Appeasing this large demographic that is filled with idiots and morons who really don’t know what the fuck they want is cute and all, but it sure as fuck isn’t producing quality games. There’s a reason why older games are more popular, and it isn’t because we are nostalgic as fuck, but because more thought went into these games.
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this is what is happening to games.
So its OK for companies to find this sweet spot, and then steadily increase prices for no reason at all other than to make extreme amounts of profits for very select individuals. All the while games become more and more generic, more re-packaged, mass produced, and the quality of games drops. But its not OK to say something about obvious thievery. And the way you present yourself, that its OK, and if you have a problem, why don’t you start up your own multi-million company that can produced quality games.
I don’t know about you, or any of those obvious shitty econ books that you read, all of which probably dick ride the invinsible hand, but those are very bad buisness models which won’t last, and won’t make money on the long run.
