I think the start of the match you have an easy time to screw him over since his AAA doesn’t come out that quick.
So right when the match begins do foward-nj > lk lk fp fk while mash storm assist (typhoon) which will get rid of his assist, if he jumps he’s screwed and you can snap in doom/BH and eat him for free.
How cute is this… i love i get a whole thread about me… Hmmmm… the fact is you play the same way all the time… Well i should say you’ve played the same all the time except for that one time… when you actually did well… Mixed it up that was new… i had to think
I think your fundamentals are lacking… you’ve started off at the top and don’t know the rest of the characters… i play with everyone… well i play with everyone enough to know what the can/can’t do… it might serve you well to take a moment and to rethink… stop trying to copy paste everything you see in match videos…
Its cool in adding some of their stuff to your own but when all you do is what you see and never think for yourself… you’re going to have problems…
well…it really isn’t about you…more about the playstyle/team’s playstyle…that he experiences through you.
I do agree about getting the fundamentals/basics though. and copy/pasting stuff is alright as long as there’s a thought process behind it.
Lol… Well beats trust me when i say it’s aboput me… We have others who plat blackheart/cable teams… Doesn’t complain to much about them…
Hell he usually just mentions my cable… It urks him but you’re right it should be about me… Def. Thought needs to be placed in such a fragile team… Call pys half way across the screen not good… Hell or any assist… Although i get away with it more than most…
when people post on SRK about playing certain matchups…of course it originates from someone they played. that’s obvious
but it’s mainly about tips against that team/character matchup/playstyle. trust me, it isn’t as much about you as you make it sound.
I just think you’re taking his post the wrong way…but it’s good that you’re giving him some tips!
LOL… Not taking it the wrong way by any means… Hell it’s only bout 5-8 of us that play… usually just 4 on a regular basis… kinda sucks… cause it’s very hard to level your play when everyone you play is on the same level or close to it…
it’s nice to get some variety… hopefully we’ll hit up detroit and the chi area in the not to distant future… i wanna play your msp again… it kicked my butt… however those gentlemen were tamed…
hey hey! lol
yeah…that’s when I was just starting out with the gentleman from playing MSP really…though your team has the advantage…I think they want another go at them 
No problem… I look forward to stompin on them… Chip chip for the victory…
Welll… to clarify. I have been playing the game since 2000 when it first came out. The problem with my fundamentals is that we didn’t play the game using the assist characters. Every now and again we did. I think it had something to do with playing MvC1. So i didn’t get the whole basics of the game. Not until i played Joe in the arcade many moons ago. So i have to figure out all of this cheap stuff as i go along. Now SF4. I understand that completely. 1v1… i can operate well in that environment. But as of now with Marvel i don’t know how to break out of where i am now. I have moments where everything is slow and i see exactly how to capitalize on every mistake and where resets come easy. But then i have times where i just can’t seem to get around certain keep away schemes and gimmicks. So its probably half my Hatred for Joe and half needing to get my gameplay fundamentals up. Suggestions? (as in real suggestions and not dash in short short psy)
I smell you Lolz! personally I got to the wall too… Only thing 2 things that got me almost over it is gettin my exe wif all my characters to 100%… that includes GB’s DHC’s BB ff combos… rom setups… corner hyp tempest shit…unblockables… LA LA LS… and playing against people wayyyyy better than me… wif that u get to reallly see what works and doesnt work… Youll also work on ur defense cuz the other persons exe is prolly better than ur ability to defend urself lolz
You could also try coming up wif ur own gimmicks… lolz “its all about the gimmicks” :china:
Lol… All about the gimmicks… Lmfao… So true who else do you know has a build a bar cable…
Who else do you know can run from you the entire match then randomly start rushing you down… Ah… The gimmicks are awesome…
As for good game play… Hell do what ray and i have done… Take a moment to notice when your not playing watch player habbits whether it going for such an such reset or whatever…
Nothing wrong in thinking for a second… It would help you alot to have more than msp… No one has just one team… Everyone plays atleast two top teams and a good low tier as well…
MSP is good. Damn good. That being said, there isn’t one top player out there who has only played MSP from the start (as in their very first team, and never switching) and done anything noteworthy.
Not one. All of the current top players have solid fundamentals, and good to excellent low tier. They understand the nuts and bolts of this game, and can murk good and even great players with teams that appear to have no synergy at all.
Personally, I know I need to play at least two other teams as well as I play my main team if I ever hope to take top 3 at a Midwest tournament. MSS-A can’t do it all. I love that team, but why fight an uphill battle every time if I can switch to a different team that has a neutral matchup against my opponents squad, or an advantage?
I just wanted to point out that MvC1 also has assists, and they play a very important role in that game too.
Psylocke was good in that game. As was Colossus.
3 years ago when I started playing seriously, I had a goal to beat a local who was 2nd best here for a while outside of mixup. I wasn’t much of a challenge for that guy seeing how I was always losing by 3:1 or 4:1 ratios and getting rediculed for playing strider. Stuff like, " you’ll never beat me with strider EVER."
I started getting up with mixup whom was by far our best player by leagues and the few months I spent training every day + getting beat down by mike eventually put me @ a point where I ended beating that local 5-0 the next time I played him convincingly. Funny thing is, I dhced strider on purpose to smoke his team to prove a point.
seek those who are stronger than you and you’ll naturally get better.
yeah! being able to play mixup must give you a lot of experience points! :amazed: I would be happy to be constantly beat down by him
I’ve came a long way since I started playing but my new teams aren’t so strong. I picked up strider\doom naturally but my msp hrax isn’t progressing as fast as my strider did.
before sf4 came out, gootecks had a website that was more of a 3s thing but it had some very good pointers in it. He talks about a time where he starts writing everything in a book to keep tabs vs matchups and how he can improve. I started the same thing about 6 months ago and when I was writing in it, I honestly felt like I was improving and for me, I usually don’t say that much. Marvel is much more complicated than any other fighter out so to counter some of that learning curve, I wrote things down.
The point is to get better and for me, I don’t leave anything out that could potentially improve my game. In fact, my “street fighter” book is half filled. If you always improve your weaknesses, there’s no denying that you’re getting better.
I usually sit down and train for @ least 1 hour a day and before I start training, I would open up the book I wrote things in and see what I need to work on. Funny thing is, I can go months back and look @ things that I had a hard time with that I find very easy now.
we all learn differently. The trick is to give yourself the right tools to learn properly. Whenever I hear of odd training techniques actics, I give always give them a shot. For instance, I had a hard time dodging commando properly. I could never seem to do it right but mixup gave me a weird tool to use for practice. Training mode with the dummy on manual and set your controller to all 1 button even on the faces. I would stick the controller underneath my leg and approach my opponent. When I got close enough, I’d move my leg down triggering the mando assist and I would practice dodging it. In fact, I still use this method till today. Sounds a bit odd and even feels weird but I can’t deny that after a few weeks of practicing it, I was able to move around mando safely if the opportunity presented itself.
Damn Shoultzula, your training habit is extreme! I can see how any one would level up if they did that.
For me, I’ve been limited to playing once or twice a week, and not having my own stick. I’d just look at vids and see what worked and what didn’t. I’d then consider what I could do and what I couldn’t do and work from there. Kinda sucks that my favorite character (Blackheart) doesn’t have a lot of vids that show winning techniques. Besides seeing zoning play from the few decent BH players out there, I’ve had to come up with my own stuff for the most part. I think I improved the most when I began making a BH vid that solidifies all the things that I ended up creating/figuring out. Perhaps going through the process of “mentally” making a vid for a team/character would help with improving that team/character.
one more thing, some lessons take longer than others. I keep running into these teachings the longer I play. When you first start off, progression is rather easy. Basic combo’s, some dodging techniques and maybe a even a few resets. Put a few years on that and there will be some more technical things. Properly countering with guard cancels to maximize a counter situation. Gaining assist advantage after playing multiple assist layers. Reading positional strings to determine the best course of attacks.
Those types of techniques don’t come easy. They take many mistakes before the right ones become evident. Some lessons can be mastered in days while others takes months\years. I’ve been asking myself some questions for years and yet still no clear answers.
I’ve spent more time in training mode than actual exp time which is sad but I love the game that much I’ll practice when I have no one to play.
thats why i try to force myself to play santhrax and i like RevRow. Scrub was actually my first team. It was easy, destructive, and straightforward. It is a thing of the past tho and i refuse to play that team seriously now. So i don’t need any convincing there. I don’t see how playing low tier will help my understanding of Marvel crystal clearly right now. But i would give it a shot. I don’t like my play being so erratic. One day i can walk in cold and go around the room a 2 or three times. then another i can’t get seem to get to cable or BH and don’t know what patience or blocking is.
Shoutzilla: wow… your posts are SSSSerious. your training is SSSerious. I guess i’ll have to get serious if i want to improve in Indianapolis. I’ll definitely try what you were suggesting… at least some of it. the journal thing is quite a lot. maybe i’ll jot a few notes in Microsoft Word or something. But i definitely need to keep improving in one way or another. and if i don’t have top tier competition to play regularly then i have to focus on my own bad habits and working on cleaning up my gameplay as much as i can on my own.
Hmmm… Good stuff there…
I like to know every character well enough to play with and againgst… Now everyone plays characters differently… However the core basis of them are the same…
I retain alot of info in my head… Lol… I practice a lil’ differently… Much like mr blackheart king seeing i don’t have a stick… I think of different combos or setups in my head for ingame play… Alot of times i’ll get random hits and run with it.
I think the main thing is watching what works… Noticing mistakes whether againgst a playe or character and learning from that…