Worst MSP matchup

Classic Fighting Games Marvel VS Capcom 2
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Nah, it wasn’t a thread dedicated to limiting assist calls, but one geared towards using your assists safely and effectively to use them MORE and SMARTER and taking advantage of what the different types can do for you.

Though that is a good idea. Most people know which assist counters which by now though. Anyway, the way to prevent assist calls is to keep your opponent in guard stun or by killing their assists lmao

I’m going to post the info in Higher-Jin’s thread (MvC2 Basics) though after compiling a bit more.

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It’s always my fond hope that we can try to help get more MSP players out there. God knows there aren’t enough of you. And having people new to Marvel get double-snapped is probably a really great way to get people interested in the game.

My general response to people asking for advice against Megaman is to tell them to go die in a fire. If you’re having trouble with that matchup, it’s because your MSP is a goddamned joke and you’re trying for a character select screen win instead of actually trying to play the match.

Fuck Magnus, fuck Storm, and fuck Sentinel. :tup:

Your characters are monumentally better than anybody else. If you can’t win with them, it’s because you suck at playing them. You don’t need any anti-Character strategy, you just need to stop sucking. With Magnus’ speed, Storm’s untouchability, and Sent’s damage, if it even matters who the other guy picks you’re just not that good of a player.

In other words: stop running into shit. :tup:

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thanks

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:pray::pray::pray:

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painfully welcome:sweat:

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sounds like someone is a tad angry. there really wasn’t any anger in this thread or cursing for that matter till you got here. no biggie.

yeah so i readily admit that my MSP isn’t superb. thats why i made the thread. If i went to a tourney like SB3(which i was at), and played you then i would probably lose. you play with that team non-stop against some nasty MSP players and beat them. So why should i feel bad for asking for advice against that team if i probably will get matched up against them. Sure they are the rawest characters in the game. But big deal. It doesn’t mean anything if you don’t have top tier competition showing you how to play them and giving you regular beat downs forcing you to adapt. so yeah i’m not that good of a player. now what???

stop running into his spammed mega buster… ok. i didn’t ask for help with that. i have had a general problem with spamming and Cable. So yeah…

anyway… much respect to you, thx for the vids. you rock:sweat: (no sarcasm and no homo)

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cable also stops most of the cast of the game…at least with magneto you actually are up close with a chance to hit…but cable beams…with some sort of assist, yeah…

doom and BH and strider also do the same to an extent. beams and projectiles and shit all over the place. sorry less mobile characters…just walk away…

“My general response to people asking for advice against Megaman is to tell them to go die in a fire. If you’re having trouble with that matchup, it’s because your MSP is a goddamned joke and you’re trying for a character select screen win instead of actually trying to play the match.”…or they are also trying to get better at the matchup?

fcuk cable, fcuk tron! lol

there are generally some low tier counters for a magnus trying to get in on you…overall he is beastly though

I would say a megaman player and a magnus player of equal skill = the megaman winning mostly, no?

“In other words: stop running into shit.” that’s a bit more helpful.

I’m not trying to be disrespectful, but yeah, that personal hate against MSP or other general top tier (especially when you play cable/tron…+ a natural magnus counter) :sweat:

there’s always an aspect of cheap, and you play one of the big cheapos in the game Preppy…especially compared to other mid to low tiers. yes, at much higher levels than most of us play, magnus and friends might outshine cables, but you are just a lesser of the other evils imo. (not meant to call you out as evil…just a phrase…and I try to be evil too >:D)

if cable and sent weren’t in the game, so many other characters might be viable. they just don’t even give the other tiers a chance to get close. magnus’ cheap shit is the same for everyone. he crossups/resets/snapout/mashes/psylockes everyone without discrimination…yes, psylockes is a verb and it doesn’t matter what character you are when you are in the vortex. it DOES matter who you are when you’re getting lasered/viper beamed/pink shitted/ororororobourosed/infernoed/spitted on/etc.

if magnus/maybe storm weren’t in the game, it would be just those top tier zoners/projectilers/keepawayers muddying the game up…with cable being the prime evildoer (maybe tied for first with sent…) that’s why I prefer playing lower tiered characters against MSP, because cables and sents can just not even let me in if they wanted…oh and don’t forget AHVB and HSF/Stomps/RPs are also great for people learning the game…or bustered+tron/ahvbed+tron

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Totally, I get that. But that’s the point: I’m just exploiting the bad tendencies of Magnus players. If you lose to that team, you’re being sloppy. :smile:

The hate is mostly in jest. It is tiring to see M/S/S ad infinitum, but they’re also fun characters who can do marvelous things. I completely understand it is fun to play Magnus because he is instantly on top of the other character destroying them. :smile:

To be a really great Magnus player you have to be fast and have your fundamentals down pat. Magnus is at his best when he’s rushing you down and waiting for you to react and push a button. Watch some videos of ruin- - his Sent/CapCom pretty much just pushblocks you back into the Corridor AA. Wait until you’re set up before pressing buttons.

And that’s really the key. Without Doom or Sent chipping you - and that’s easy to watch out for or even just suck up and not care about, it’s not like you really have a lot to fear if you don’t press buttons badly. Watch top Magnus players right now - Magnus might be at 1/2 life or so before he lands that first hit or even presses buttons, but when he does it counts.

And watch as much of Vegita-X’s Storm as possible, you’ve probably got a lot to learn from him. (That’s not an insult: it’s a compliment to Vegita-X’s godlike Storm.) :tup:

I do think it’s more interesting to dissect MSP vs other more viable teams, though. MegaTron is a joke team at heart. :smile:

edit: And the actual really important takeaway is also to remember that soloing with one team is not what any top player does. They always have a second team they might switch to for bad matchups. If you’re having trouble with Megaman/Doom (understandable, he can spam stuff), abuse Tornados a little if you can get away with it with MSP, or switch to a Cable based team that can outgun the little blue guy. A good Cable on point has an edge on Megaman. Marvel is a surprisingly strategic game, which is what makes it fun. At this point we’ve kind of ground down to SS-AA and MS-AA being able to dominate almost every other team, but there’s still a lot of strategy even in there.

The designers did a hell of a job, deliberately or not. :tup:

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i wouldn’t say losing to you would be a sign of sloppiness, well maybe, but it would also be a sign of you being a better player and/or a team that is in favor over MSP.

I don’t play magnus for select screen wins, I play him because he is crack (fun)

any certain vids of vegitaX’s storm to look out for?

mega/cable/tron is a joke team infused with some pretty beast stuff D:

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Magnus is fun as hell. He’s just that extra bit of dominant which means if you pick him, you should expect your opponent to need to go balls to the walls to beat you. I think I listened to someone saying “I don’t know Magnus very well” twice and got double-snapped in those matches and from that point on: if you pick Magnus, expect that the opponent cannot take it easy on you. :smile:

If you’re trying to learn the game, picking Magnus is probably more counterproductive to start with. I often pick him in casual because while I might be able to beat somebody with any random joke character, I find that people get less annoyed if it’s a Serious Character like Magnus. =P I play to have fun, so if they’re having fun, I’m usually having fun.

Vegita-X:

Absolutely. The thing to bear in mind is that each team has its own sphere and dimensions of dominance. MegaTron has a very narrow ground-based sphere around itself where it is extremely dominant, but it falls apart in other arenas. Medium level MSPs should be great at abusing the high level of dominance that MSP has when it’s just close to you anywhere. (Psylocke hits to midscreen or so, Tron is grounded.) Better MSPs should be better at using the relatively good longer range MSP tactics too, such as abusing Storm’s typhoon assist. But again, vs Megaman that’s kind of suicide (timed buster to Storm’s head goes over typhoons cleanly), so you’re better off picking a different team.

The entire point of both Megaman/Cable/Tron and Team Combofiend is to get you to pick a different team. You can indeed bludgeon yourself against it, but it’s a brutal matchup meant to counter your team. :smile: When someone picks XXX against me, I realize they’re respecting my team and counterteaming me. If I continue to pick my team play against that, I realize that there’s a strategic tree in place where I have already lost. And then we go past theory fighter and play the match and see how it works out. :smile:

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This guy means every word. Click the link if you don’t believe him. :rofl:

You can’t beat Cable or Megaman teams by playing on autopilot, running into shit. Whenever I beat any Cable squad it was because I took my time, got inside safely, and wrecked his team.

If Mags has to get half his life chipped away in the process, then so be it. I can kill him off one hit with no meter, but he can’t.

Mega gets out of a lot off resets because of his small sprite, and his quick j lp and c lp. Busters cut off many angles of advance, do 20 pts. per hit, and rape assists for free. Rock balls stop runaway, Sentinels flight, and are generally annoying. Tornado Hold rapes bad assists calls and sloppy tri angle jumps. c lp+Tronne c hk Tornado Hold on assists= 60% or more add a launcher into a combo ending with a buster for 70% or more.

Mega is fun to play as well as MSS-A - Row - and other evil top teams. Its just funny watching people fight there hardest while I jump backwards hitting one button, maybe two if they get too close. :lol:

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i used to rock megman (mega/IM/doom or meg/IM/tron)

shit was hilarious when this other guy picked mega too. we were all just njing and sjing everywhere going “EY!”…sometimes we would hit each other sometimes we wouldn’t. we couldn’t even play cause we were cracking up so much at the sillyness of it all. I still won, this other guy was getting annoyed at our “playing” and tried to beat me with a lowertier+topish tier infused team also. I beat him, and then me and other mega guy went back to doing our thing. I could not breathe :rofl:

EY…EY…EY EY

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Well i see this has turned into a nice little forum for knowledge. So while we are on the vs Matchup tip… lets talk about MSP vs Santhrax/Matrix

I know there are plenty of scattered threads about this. So no obvious stuff. Maybe if anyone wants to add in short short … ah what was after that? i don’t really know. My problem with that team is rushing down safely and keeping Psy alive and well while not getting 1-2 punched by Storm Sentinel.

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run around mash short short psy snap win

you ppl make things so complicated.

bronson

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I play BH/Cab/Doom. Let him take to the air and just call your storm assist to stop all that doom nonsense. When he realizes that he can’t spam that assist and sj.FP you can see how he reacts and post here again.

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thx for the tactic. we play today so i’ll see how that works in addition to the other tactics i received.

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so yeah calling storm when he jumps up effectively counters doom and leaves him open to rushdown. And BH is ESPescially vulnerable to rushdown. I actually got the best of my good buddy Joe the last time we played so this thread helped. Thx everyone who put in their two cents… even short short Psy guy.

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just what I thought. His tactics are simple with no variation behind them. If he ups his level of play and strategy let me know and I’ll tell you how to get around it.

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:pray:

thank you kind sir. Yeah basically i had to learn patience. then i had to learn when to rush. once i got that down then all the other tactics fell into place. i see the game much slower now.

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I thought I was the only one that felt that way. I guess I’m not crazy after all.

Soon I’ll be able to see lines of code when I play.