I don’t mind if they want to do a women’s tournament but why don’t we just let the women decide on how to manage their own community in the future? A bunch of guys on an internet forum are not exactly the experts on what is best for them.
If possible, I’d like to have everyone play same game but stigma, prejudice, fear and discrimination may prevent that day from ever happening.
Letting men think they can get away with not taking the issue as seriously as women is only going to contribute to preventing it as well.
I mean, not that them managing their own community isn’t a good idea, but both sides should be having the discussion regardless.
If there is an issue that is preventing women from actively playing in the same competition as the men, then the men should only be trying to change themselves and not change the women.
Uh. Pretty sure even the misogynists in these threads never said anything about “changing the women.” I’m just saying the whole thing is a topic for both sides to be involved in, is all.
We can start injecting women with testosterone. That will fix the ‘issue’ that prevents them from playing competitive video games with a violent edge, but I wouldn’t call it a desirable solution.
The other option is to start all of the male tournament players on hormone replacement therapy. I personally like this option because it would make the streams a lot funnier and the drama a lot sassier.
Ricky Ortiz if you’re not wearing those sunglasses at EVO Japan we’re through, you hear me?
women’s tourney was hype as hell. 'nuff said
Actually Doctor Cuss got one thing wrong: Twin studies have shown that genes do have a major influence on personality. It’s about an even split between genes and non-shared environment (hanging out with friends, etc.), and the most surprising finding was that shared environment (read: parenting) has virtually no influence at all.
But he & COUM are in the right on this one. We still don’t really know how much of the perceived gender difference is due to environment, but recent findings are suggesting it’s more than most people think; not too long ago there was a study of people given testosterone injections, and it turned out that they only became more aggressive when they were told it was testosterone. There’s far too much work left to be done in this field for us to make the kinds of statements that many have in this thread with any confidence.
Real talk: The biggest problem for women trying to get into the scene is that the best players tend to be undersexed males, and any attempts to learn from them will turn into attempts on the part of the man to (putting it bluntly) get pussy. If the woman doesn’t want to be used in that way, she’s not going to get the lessons. Kayane was lucky because her brothers are strong Soul Calibur players…if she didn’t have family in the scene I doubt she would have reached the level she did.
The level of play in Yellow Gal vs. Lina was surprisingly low IMO. Not what I expected from top 4. Maybe I’m grossly underestimating them, but I feel like most of the people I play online could have beaten either of them out.
I also noticed the non-aggression thing that was mentioned earlier. Many of those matches were long on the clock and there seemed to be a disproportionate number of time victories (or sub 10 second finishes).
“It is my opinion that women are, by virtue of their nature, inferior at fighting games. What, you say that my opinion runs counter to all the credible peer-reviewed research that shows that upbringing plays a greater role than nature? Well way to get butt hurt, you White Knight extraordinaire!”
“It is my opinion that two plus two may equal five, or possibly six. What, you say that my opinion flies in the face of every accepted mathematician? Wow, stop getting so butthurt, let’s just agree to disagree :rolleyes:”
“It is my opinion that the Genesis version of Justice League Task Force is a balanced fighting game. What, you say that Superman’s full-screen groundpound infinite, the differences between 1P and 2P Batman, and the fact that every character has a variant of Guile’s WW Handcuff glitch combine to make it a sub-optimum game? Holy shit, it’s just my opinion, stop hating bro, why you gotta go and be a White Knight!?”
I’d venture that there’s a strong positive correlation between “lack of care” and “lack of having a credible, informed view on the subject”. Coorelation does not imply causation, naturally, but in this particular case, I think it’s quite hard to argue otherwise.
Quit getting so “butt hurts” because some people take the time to refute ignorant opinions with well-thought-out, oftentimes-lengthy posts that draw upon more than “way-ll, mah gut instinct done tell me that them thar wimmin-folks is just not done sitshe-ated fer certain mental-like activ’teys, but I shure as certain t’aint one o’ dem hippie librul ‘carecats’ or nuttin . . .” to substantiate their claims. :pleased:
I laughed hard when I read that accent.
Still taking challenges btw.
First, I need to clear something up:
Dr. Cuss (are you actually a doctor, cause I suspect not) - Did you even read that wikipedia link to the “Code-Switch[ing]” page? If you did, you would have realized that this is a simply case of dialect choice / style switching and not code-switching which involves changing languages mid conversation / utterance / word and follows a set of rules. Throwing out terms that you may have heard is cute, but it only makes you look smart to the uninformed… (and yes, I realize that the page says that the term “code switching” can be used outside the field of linguistics to refer to style-switching, but wikipedia is not a source, and as a doctor, you should realize this)
Speaking of uninformed, I feel that it is necessary to put things into perspective a bit, here. First, there were what, 50 girls signed up for this tournament? Let’s use this, as well as the low end estimate of 3000 registrations for the main tournament. This means that women made up < 2% of the total entrants to the main SSF4 tourney. Now, considering Kayane won a match on the projector means she won at least 1 game, which is more than can be said for 25% of the registered people who went 0-2 (I know she almost made it out of her bracket, and she was super pissed when she lost - I don’t know any of the other female gamers so I couldn’t get any input from them, though, and don’t know how they performed). To put this into more perspective, if you selected 50 people from the entries and had them play an exhibition, 12 of them would have gone 0-2, and there would be a small chance that a “Top” player would be in the group. Also, to all the people who didn’t attend Evo and haven’t played in front of tons of people, I bet you would drop at least 1 combo, or rush into something and fail at something in front of the whole gamer world. There are a handful of guys out there who lost to these ladies - how do they feel about that? I only started playing street fighter when SF4 came out, but I’ve been going to tournaments in other games for a long time and I know that there are top women in some fields, like has been mentioned with Kayane in SC, how many women are considered top level players in SF?
How many of the people posting crap about how terrible the women’s play was in this thread are actually considered top players? What do relevant people think about this, I guess is what I’m trying to ask.
These two points have nothing to do with one another. If you were citing the theoretical hypocrisy behind women both wanting to be on the same level as men, and WANTING their own divisions, that would be one thing… However, that’s simply not the case.
I’d love to dance after work. <3
Grr, PSN~ latency is going to be horrid all the way from Oregon though. Pick me up at 5?
That’s 3 hours for you? It’s a date ^_~
did you own the other guy?
So basically, I used the term correctly? Thanks for confirming.
Even if we’re going to sperg out over “pure academic” definitions, “street-speak” (or, as it’s known within the field of linguistics, “African-American Vernacular English”) is very much a fucking dialect (though considered by some to be a creole), you nimwit. 
Wikipedia is not a source used in academic papers, partially because it’s Wikipedia and partially because you don’t use encyclopedias of any sort in academics. This doesn’t mean it’s not, like other encyclopedias, a completely valid tool to quickly clarify certain terms which may not be completely obvious - the very notion is utterly ridiculous. Feel free to scroll to the very bottom of the Wikipedia article and have a gander at the academic sources it cites, if you so strongly suspect dastardly schenanigans.
You’re throwing the baby out with the bathwater in your fitful attempts to prove someone wrong - or, in fighting game terms, you’re not using the arc of fierce DP to punish obvious jumpins from that particular range because you’ve seen people make jokes about flowchart Kens and you’re utterly desperate to prove you’re not a flowchart Ken.
What a silly fucking argument!
I don’t have to be a meteorologist to tell you the sun is shining. I don’t have to be a veterinarian or a chef to tell you that horse manure tastes bad. And I don’t have to be Daigo Umehara to tell you that the level of play in the Women’s Invitational was subpar to that of the men’s.
Not really, lol… but I like to think I held my own. Hugo101 killed us both.
I was there at Evo watching this. To have 50 female entrants is imo a success. Obviously the level of play isn’t that of the men, but all things considered I think the women played decently and gave the crowd a few moments of excitement. If you can’t be glad about that then that’s pure hate really.
get hype for wake up ultra