The reason HDR only got 9 entrants at SB:R is because they moved it from Saturday night to Sunday night and by then most of the players had to leave. Otherwise I think it would have gotten at least as many as ST did, if not more. But then since it was just a side game they felt OK to move it.
But you’re right, SF2 players need to make more noise, and the best way to do that is with their actual presence at tournies.
Anyone else notice that since SB there have been a ton of stories about it on SRK’s front page and they HAVE ALL BEEN ABOUT SSF4?!!!
I was talking about online. Whenever I play on hdr it’s hard to find decent competition, people are just not getting online anymore. I played you royal like what? fall 09? never seen you online since. HDR online is practically dead, not the offline tourny scene.
I’m almost always able to find a player room with at least one decent competitor. Can’t say the same for ranked. The ratio is like 5-10 good people to 100 scrubs
That’s what I’m saying, people keep saying “HDR this”, “ST that”, and the enemy is SF4! The masses, which is perhaps even more important, is there. The interview from Wilson at NH2’s blog is a clear expression of reality: from the cream of the crop but Afro and DGV to the new players, numerous people have stopped playing the game - either for a time or with no set date to come back - to get into the SF4 boat. HDR has actually attracted players to SF2, but as soon as SF4 was released, they have gone.
Unless we band together we won’t have HDR OR ST next year. We were talking about this at our last Denjin ranbat. Here’s how we see next years evo line-up:
SSF4 <-- LOCK
MVC3 <-- LOCK
BlazBlue <-- LOCK
Tekken (or some 3d game) <-- 90%+ chance
Mortal Kombat <-- Unless it’s fucking AWFUL, this will probably get mass numbers…so seems highly likely
??? <-- That leaves only ONE other game
So, with one game left, what will it be? To add uncertainty, the 3S re-release for Xbox/PS3 should be out by then. Now, we know that typically that’s boring at Evo, so maybe it won’t be there in spite of that. But I could see people arguing that the “new blood” wants a shot at it. So, if we want *some version *of SF2 instead of 3S, Melty, TvC, MvC2, etc. then we need to show some kind of unified support.
IMO, I see close to ZERO chance that Evo will run arcade/supergun ST as an official game. For the people that prefer ST, the only reasonable chance I see of having that be a main game is classic mode in HDR. But does anyone *really *want that? I’d play it, but seems like an odd choice to me. Instead, I think our best bet is to push for HDR as the official Evo game and then run “real” arcade ST as our own side game, with high stakes or whatever rules we want. If that goes down, I’ll certainly play both.
Anyone have anything constructive to say on what to push for at Evo besides the normal ST vs HDR minutia debate?
Dumb question: Can there only be 6 “official” games at EVO?
I would think that HDR has the most going for it in terms of interest based off of last year. I mean, the grand finals match was just amazing. Wouldn’t people want to see if Snake Eyez can pull it off again? Wouldn’t there be interest in seeing if Afro Legends can take the title again? Or maybe another unknown will come and beat them both? Even if you’re not a fan of HDR, it’d still be a game worth having just to see the story play out.
I’m thinking its gonna go to a community vote again, in which case, will have to fight off the likes of games like CvS2, MvC2, 3S, and lots of other non-capcom games that have been getting lots of support lately.
SJV is 100% right. If there really is only going to be 6 official games there we need to get all the SF2 players, whether you prefer ST or HDR, to support whatever version has the best chance at EVO. If they put it to a community vote we all know that version will be HDR, if the the ST v. HDR division continues and the HDR “haters” don’t vote, then you can count on no SF2 game as an official at EVO.
You also have KOF13 which may have a console release by then and the new Arcana Heart out by then.
I think the argument could be made that the EVO staff should look into expanding the number of “official” games on the roster, especially with all the ones coming out in the near future (MK, SFvT, TvSF, MvC3, KOF13, AH3, etc). With a time and space crunch at most big tournies there are going to be some very turbulent times in the near future in regards to what games get played. If this silly ST V HDR doesn’t stop soon we may lose a place at every major tourney.
It doesn’t even matter to me which one gets played, if the big tournies on the EC have ST and the ones on the WC have HDR (midwest here, I don’t know), as long as we all get together and support whichever will get played (regardless of personal biases). That will be our only chance of keeping SF2 alive.
P.S. MvC3 scares me, the games is getting more hype than even SF4 did and will be even better at attracting the younger, newer, FG players. Once it comes out it may just be us old dogs and no one else left. That’s why I’ve been trying to tell people to end the squabbling and get people on the SF2 train now, soon it may be too late.
Great point, instead we get strategy tips and interviews from some guys who got like 8th or 9th on SSF4. It was a huge story to use, but apparently no one else cares.
Shari’s right, though, Snake Eyes getting immediatly dissed by other high standing memebers of our community didn’t help (though I would have thought the contraversy would have made a great front page story even better by adding some sizzle. You know the media these days, LOL).
Love him or hate him, but Sirlin wrote a very nice article on his site about how great an accomplishment that win was. At least a front page link to that would have been nice. Instead Arcana Heart and MK gets more coverage than SF2.
There is potential for a new age of fighting games. The thing is, ST’s engine clashes with the new thought. Since ST, every SF game has supers. Since alpha every SF game has add on moves like alpha counter/parry/focus attack.
Alot of fighters moved in this direction too. SFII is one of a kind, but you’re trying to argue a 20+ year old game has a place now in the middle of all these new games.
I missed out on the arcade days of SFII. This is not SFII’s time anymore.
Good luck getting it back into the spotlight though.
If any of the new games coming out were as good as SF2 then I wouldn’t mind so much, but they really are no where close. I mean is anyone but scrubs and fanboys really looking forward to SF v Tekken? As a novelty, maybe, but as a serious fighting game? I am looking forward to trying out KOF13. Against my better judgement I’m holding out hope for the new MK game. I’ve only gotten to play TvC a couple of times but it seemed fun, so I have some hope for MvC3 (though I’m sure something in it will be broken and they’ll try to make me buy DLC characters, the main reason I passed on the new BlazBlue). I still think there is a place in all that for the series that started it all (and hasn’t been surpassed, in many people’s opinions).
Speaking of the new BlazBlue, I hope that doesn’t become a trend. All the characters should come with the game, not for sale seperatly making some people not have access to a character. I liked the first BlazBlue but I refuse to buy the new one for just that reason. SF4’s extra outfits as DLC is fine, doesn’t effect gameplay or balance, but extra characters as DLC for a tourney-viable game is wrong, IMO.
