Why we don't play new games? - GGXX is the new SF2

[j1n]

“LOL BOXING IS BEING INTIMIDATED BECAUSE THEIR SPORT IS BEING SWALLOWED UP BY MMA LOL TIME TO GO SMOKE POT” - Joe Rogan

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[Mr.Mamation]

Guilty Gear is a different breed of fighter, almost to the point that the gaps from the SF games to the GG series (in terms of gameplay style, not quality), are about as close as comparing a 2D fighter to a 3D fighter. Guilty does take it’s roots from “old school” fighters. Spacing, zoning, poking, are all there, but the actual ebb and flow of a match is just a very different style than what the fighting game genre was raised on.

I love guilty gear, it’s the only fighter i have much skill at, but i wouldn’t blame anyone for not caring for the style or path it has chosen. It’s not friendly to new players, it requires a lot of effort to get compentent at, to the point that it goes beyond just playing other players. (I.E. playing LOTS of other players to learn various matchups inside and out).

GG crosses a line that creates a bit of a paradox. Fighting games needed to try and evolve, or at the very least show some new innovations and ideas to create a fresh feeling in the gameplay. Unfortunatly to get there, GG has employed a very complicated system that requires a lot of convoluted pratice and study to get better at. So you have a game with a lot of depth, a lot of unique and interesting characters (the majority of which are tournament worthy to play), and thus a game that a lot of new players who were not brought up on the roots of traditional fighters were able to start getting into.

Guilty gear is complicated with a lot of depth, SF is more simple at heart, but still has a lot of depth of it’s own, especially in the mind games that are played. They’re two different tastes, one just happens to be a little more modern. Guilty Gear is either your thing, or it isn’t, so even if guilty gear is “the future” of 2d fighters (a sentiment i agree with), there aren’t a lot of other choices out there, so some people choose to simply stick with what they enjoy, even if it’s part of “the past”.

Long story short, GG is good, SF is good, and they are different. People love and hate all sorts of things. People will praise and bash just about anything if their opinion drives them to. If you like guilty gear, keep playing and supporting it, and don’t worry about the people who dislike it. The rest will take care of itself.

quoting the whole thing because it is probably the best way to describe the suituation.

[4649]

I’m sorry, Guitar Hero is at the bottom of the barrel in terms of using skill in a rhythm game. Also, Halo’s balance and super weapons being the end all be all kinds of diminishes skill in that game.

I’m talking about skill in the since of you can go higher. I play a lot of games, and I find my self thinking “are gamers just too lazy”. Guitar freaks is way harder than Guitar hero, shit Beatmaina (I play this game) is way harder than Guitar Hero, but no one in america gave it a chance.

Speed runs are done by the select few, and I do mean few. About less than 10% of the gaming society does them. We appreciate them, but rarely you see droves of people replicating those speed runs.

Maybe I figured it out, and people want to be awed with little effort, but to call an accomplishment your own is a huge thing, and I’ve found that ** VERY ** lacking in the gaming society.

As soon as you realize the lazyness of the damn gaming generation, just live with it, you are different than the rest of the dick head in the community. Stick that shit out and suck it up.

you know what’s funny, Game Informer actually had an interview with the guy who has the top guitar hero scores on XBL as well as the guy who was basically the top Gears of War player, and they asked them both about their successes and high level play. the Guitar Hero player actually said that what he did was NOTHING compared to some of the Beatmania players he had seen in Japan. of course, seeing as how this is Game Informer, logically they’re not going to go ahead and put it out there that Beatmania’s US port was some garbage and that there are MUCH harder IIDX revisions, et al, unless there’s money in it for them.

that seems to be another part of it too; media doesn’t like to popularize high level play of games unless there’s money to be made and sponsorships to be had ( and if they did sensationalize it, then you would definitely see more players ). hence why you have DirecTV and CGS Invitational doing what they do with Mountain Dew, or whatever, to sponsor “pro gaming” for the games they feature. but that’s not why “we” don’t play “new games”, to kind of reel this in a bit~ in fact, i don’t think we’ve really fleshed out who the “we” and what the “new games” in question are enough to really answer that question. every gamer has individual biases, but generalizing it into a generational dislike of every new fighter that comes out doesn’t really help, momentarily disregarding this generation’s lack of will to stand apart from itself and learn unfamiliar games.

[rukawa_kaede]

you guys aren’t really into fighting games!!!

this is like saying, why people don’t play KOF?

you know, I really hate the alpha series. I own every single 2d fighting game but not this. I don’t like them, but that’s just me. I remember back in mexico the game was popular, I even see a national tournament add in a gaming magazine, I never remember seen something like that for KOF. I don’t like marvel still the game is popular in mexico.

People here are all the same, all of you play the same shit

also, every single non-capcom-fighting game is too execution-heavy for capcom heads, LOL

I also agree all new 2d fighting games are so much like GG, which I don’t like either.

I think at least we still got SNK, now just bring me Garou 2 please.

[FMJaguar]

Isn’t ever fighter from Japan…? D:

The SF2 games were also a part of american culture, wide distribution, commercials, merchandise, magazines, etc…

Noone cared that japan even played the game until we lost all the US support and needed to find new things to do. Japan was a non-factor then, and it’s not that much of a factor today, which is why games that are ONLY distributed and marketed there have trouble taking hold here.

I don’t understand the points about ‘gamers today want this’ and the ‘media today’, gamers and media today are (mostly) the same as they were back then, the only difference was that SF2 was taking advantage of it.

[arstal]

You’re all wrong, the question is “Does it really matter!?!?”

There are plenty of people who play GG, plenty of people who play SF2, plenty of people that play Marvel, and plenty that play 3S. Do we really need to go on a shit fest about it? Just let it be.

I think people just don’t want to learn another fighter, simple as that. They have the right to choose not to play any other fighter.

If GG, Arcana Heart, Melty Blood, Virtua Fighter, Dead or Alive, SNK, etc. etc. want more interest in their game, they are going to have to CREATE the interest and not rely heavily on OG, Marvel, and 3S heads all the time.

I think part of the reason is we don’t really see the learning curve in fighters- since we’ve climbed it. The only curve that’s easily apparent to us is the execution curve- which is something GG has in spades. However, the OG generation- many of them are past the peak age for execution- the older players have declining skills in that area, even if the rest of their game grows sharper.

Also many OG’s view the execution-heavy games- they view the execution itself as a “gimmick” , the same way they view other stuff as gimmicky. Really, when it comes down to it, it is a gimmick.

[Zazzarius]

Isn’t ever fighter from Japan…? D:

well let’s name some US fighters . . . everything by EA and Mortal Kombat by Midway (or for your European guys, Killer Instinct was by RARE)

yeah i think i’ll stick with japan on this one

[tataki]

10 most common excuses not to play GG:
1.i don’t wanna play GG cuz the execution is too hard for me!
i’ll just go back to roll canceling, roming, charge partitioning, walking spding and snk link comboing…
2.i don’t wanna play GG cuz it requaires too much knowledge! cuz if i can’t win tournaments right away then THE GAME IS NO FUN!
3.i don’t wanna play GG cuz i already love oldschool! and i have a golden rule "you can’t love both oldschool and modern school"
4.i don’t wanna play GG(/AH/whatever) cuz i don’t like the music/art/style/lolis. what? play a game cuz of the gameplay? what is this “gameplay” you speak of? … no way man playing a game for its gameplay is too hardcore for me… what? no i’m not from gamefaqs i’m from SRK!
5.i don’t wanna play GG cuz i don’t like chains of attacks. even if the principles of high level play are actually the same i prefer to not play the game solely for the superficial fact that it has chains!
6.i don’t wanna play GG cuz justin wong and alex valle don’t play it.
7.i don’t wanna play GG cuz people don’t shit talk and stab each other and lose 987654321$ over this game.
8.i don’t wanna play GG cuz i saw that some anime dorks on the internetz are playing it. and you all know it means-that if i’ll play GG i’ll become an anime dork too! OMG the infaction is spreading THRU DA GAME!
9.i don’t wanna play GG cuz daigo didn’t parry in it.
10.i don’t wanna play GG cuz it doesn’t have a capcom/snk logo on the box.

[Helter_Skelter]

i don’t wanna play GG cuz daigo didn’t parry in it.

hahahahahahaha

[comoesa]

I think people are too worried with building a scene ply with the people ya got and call it a day.

This is the fighting communtiy. Theyre are hardly any casual gatherings anymore You just practice hope some one around your area plays and go too tournaments. Fighting games died when the arcades died. In all honestly I dont know why most of us are even playing fighting games…

[Daidoji_Kage]

In all honestly I dont know why most of us are even playing fighting games…

I play to spite you.

[System_1]

GG sucks get over yourselfs,why we dont play guilty gear?The game is stupid and it relates to the new generation

[System_1]

I don’t care whether or not anyone thinks GG is amazing or total crap. All i know is that its the new standard for 2D fighters, and for those you think GG is great are in for a good time, as thats what most new 2D fighters work around atm. If you don’t like GG, then your screwed, for the time being anyway.

[Shadowcuz]

get over yourselfs

lol look whose talkin

[Asian_Mike]

If you don’t like GG, then your screwed, for the time being anyway.

Good Gawd, how you figure that?

The SF2 games were also a part of american culture, wide distribution, commercials, merchandise, magazines, etc…

Noone cared that japan even played the game until we lost all the US support and needed to find new things to do. Japan was a non-factor then, and it’s not that much of a factor today, which is why games that are ONLY distributed and marketed there have trouble taking hold here.

I don’t understand the points about ‘gamers today want this’ and the ‘media today’, gamers and media today are (mostly) the same as they were back then, the only difference was that SF2 was taking advantage of it.

Truth.

[G.O.T]

-_- please…stop

[DS]

GG sucks get over yourselfs,why we dont play guilty gear?The game is stupid and it relates to the new generation

And what makes you think that your game isn’t stupid by someone elses standards?

[Bacardi]

I wonder what game everyone here is playing that they are saying this game is execution heavy? GGAC has by far some of the most lenient input windows I have seen in any game. Combos are fucking easy as shit to do in that game

[Master_Chibi]

Yeah same thing for MB:AC and AH.

:looney:

[Bacardi]

Yeah same thing for MB:AC and AH.

:looney:

I do not understand how people even consider these games execution heavy when they have huge input windows, even lilicas loop was easy as shit to do and I had the combo down in a couple of minutes