Why we don't play new games? - GGXX is the new SF2

GGXX and SF2 are very similar in alot of ways. Street Fighter 2: world warrior was a great game, still is. Good gameplay, graphics, music, it had it all, but the key was its innovation. There was nothing else quite like it. No 2D fighter has been as ground breaking since, but theres been alot of good efforts. So what makes GGXX stand out from others that also boost all these qualities then? Its the rehashes. Thats how SF2 managed to stay on the top, it keep itself uptodate, bringing in new things combined with its original qualities that made it so great to keep the gamers coming back for more, and thats what Guilty Gear XX is doing now.

SF2 series was followed by a slew of other games all trying to grab at their own piece of success in its wake. Some did OK for themselves, particularly SNK. But no one really truly challenged SF2 untill MK came along. However when compared to not only SF2, but to most of the other copy cats, it was pretty medicore to horrible gameplay wise. What it had going for it was a totally different artstyle and of course fatalities and gore. Pretty much just gimmicks, but innovative all the same. Eventually though Street Fighter had to reinvent itself, as so many games were being released, which were starting to make SF2 look like an inferior game (even though we know thats not true, SF2 will be the only fighting game to live forever).

And theres the major difference, while GGXX has been around for a while now and had its fair share of followups, nothing has come since then though which has really dented its armour, and really challenged it for the top spot. Theres been some good efforts, MBAC, Arcana Heart, Battle Fantasia, KOFXI but these all live in the shadow of the GGXX series, just like the other fighters during SF2’s reign. As proven with games like MK and VF1 they don’t even necessarily have to be good games.

Previous innovative games that came before GGXX with solid gameplay are alright, they made their mark already, so they don’t need to worry about GGXX, they will always be remembered. Difference with them though is that they actually had strong competition back in the day, with plenty close rivals. If anything gained the lead for a short time, another game would soon rise to the challenge. I know theres other facters such accessibility, artstyle, gameplay, etc. but these are all the kind of things which are important for game to come up and challenge GGXX.

And thats essentially why people aren’t playing new 2D fighting games imo.
Why play something else which is new, when you can already play the best of whats new? Back in the day no one would have scoffed about too many people playing SF2 and not enough playing Art of fighting, Samurai Shodown, World Heroes, Power Instinct, Fatal Fury, Fighters History, TMNT:TF, etc.

Some of you will no doubt make the observation that todays fighters during GGXX time are much superior to those during SF2 reign, but back when those games were new people thought that at least some of those games were good aswell, hence why some of those series spawned many sequels themselves. I mean you can question how good a series like World Heroes is, but it was obviously doing something right at the time, as it had more than its fair share of rehashes.

Be good to read others people views on the matter, as at the moment i alittle concerned. GGXX series has had a long hold, and its been a while since something else truly big, 2D wise has comeout, maybe Sengoku Basara X will spur 2D fighters into a new era…

Anyone who says GG games are superior to SF need a different brand of weed.

i understand wat you are saying r3ko, guilty gear is def what is keeping modern 2d fighting games alive at all and kind of jump started them again. but. . .

. . uhh. . SNK did better then okay for itself. It has made a ton of incredible games. And the reason I think guilty gear is not meeting the same status as sf2 is the fact that sf2 was straightforward, simple. GGXX is too deep for its own good. I honestly think the developers could have made 4 different series out of all the gameplay concepts in guilty gear but just smashed them all in there.

all chain heavy 2d fighters suck

marvel, gg, arcana, melty blood

they all suck

old skool for life bitches

Please no one start a debate on GG vs SF. It’s pointless and thread would get closed for it. You might as well start a PS3 vs 360 thread if any of you are stupid enough to argue about GG vs SF…

I collect fighting games so I play old school(Garou) and modern(GGXXAC) fighters. I’m pretty damn sure that if XX was the only GG that had XX in the title I would still play it till this day. GGXX isn’t the new SF2. That’s like saying green is the new black or 30 is the new 40.

I believe people play whatever fighters they choose to play because of their love of the series, the fun they have while playing it, the system mechanics, the characters combos. Still to this day people love KOF 98’ and MVC2 and Garou:MOTW and people play DBZ tenkaichi 3. I don’t know why you think people don’t play new fighters. You’re on SRK. Many fighting games are represented on this site. People play new fighters all the time. How many people are gonna play KOF XII when it comes out? Or Tekken 6? Or SC4? It’s the players faith and love of the series that keeps them playing their favorites. IF you like SF2 why would you stop playing it? People play new fighters but they still play the classics they enjoy.

GG is keeping the 2D scene strong but so is KOF and MB. And wait till SF2 HD comes out. Fighting games rock. Nothing is the new whatever.

Unless we’re talking about porn stars.

Part of the problem with GG is all the revisions. It’s Super Guilty Gear Turbo right now, and the backlash to that got worse. Not to mention it’s being copied like how SFII was.

I would say the comparison’s accurate- but in both good and bad ways.

They need a brand new GG- but I think they know it would get ripped to shreds like how Alpha and 3 were. I think Arc has kinda painted themselves into a corner- they can’t really add to the game in a good way, yet they’re having a backlash start against them.

GET DAT Arcana Heart 2!

Seriously.

The observation is keen and I have drawn SF2 and GG together many times, but I find they have one thing in common that is actually a good thing.

Super Turbo is amazing (So is HF, but for sake of Argument)
AC is amazing

Not only that, but I definitely felt that AC was a tighter, more concrete game than X2; yeah it took 3 revisions, but it looks like they got there. AC > X2. There are fan boys that will argue otherwise, but I think it holds true. Such as ST > WW. People may prefer the graphical feel or aura, but in terms of a fighting game the latter games were better.

And all this makes me happy. I wasn’t a huge fan of GGX or GGXX because it seemed to have great presentation and music while lacking that x-factor that makes a fighting game great. AC does that and now I am loving the hell out of it. It isn’t revolutionary, but more like an asymptote - that much closer to perfection. I never played Slash, but I was unimpressed by the incremental changes they made in Reload - AC seemed like enough to justify another release.

So I think we can all agree that if they make another XX game, it has to be substantially better than AC in order to be played seriously and that is what we want. But hey, if Arc does make an even better GG that doesn’t feel like a Total Rehash and it actually benefits the gameplay, I can swing with it… for now.

gg has been THE 2d fighting game in japan since xx

it’s just that like everything else, u.s. lags behind as usual

Its rather simple really. People really REALLY hate change.

newsflash, this aint japan. why should the US give a fuck about gg when we have marvel?

yeap

and then what? waste another $50 on a new “Guilty Gear XX7 #Slash Reload Accent Core Itsuka version Green”?

I think he meant the rest of the world, not Japan specificly.

But I guess you could still argue: This ain’t the rest of the world, why should the US give a fuck about anything when we have Marvel?

can’t be any more right.

r3ko: Sorry but I play what I enjoy,It makes no sense for me to take something serious just because it’s new.

Old school is great, I love SF2, but i mean cmon, does that make Marvel any worse?
Both games have completly different playing styles, learning curves, they are just not anywhere near being similar.

I have <3/ mad respect for both, as well as the people who play them well.

Peace.

he specifically said japan. don’t try to argue for the sake of arguing.

New games are awesome.

Since some people are stuck the bandwagon with the rest of the US and anything new you feel it is worthy,I google “new fighting games” for you,here is some random shit for you.

Naruto 3
Smash Bros. Brawl
Def Jam
DOA
Dragon Ball Wii
Bleach: Blade of Fate

Have fun taking every new fighting game released seriously !:tup:

Who me? No thanks I think I’ll pass.I like Marvel way too much.Thanks anyway.