On the serious tip, let’s drop this stupid shit. This thread was made by a troll anyway and should have been closed a long time ago.
Let’s just agree to disagree.
Stop living. Neg this dick.
After going to both, I have to say that FR is one of the best places to be as a “EVERYTHING” type of player.
But you guys are taking this dumb shit too far:rofl:
Shishioh needs to play me in 98um more though as he’s easily probably one of the best in the state.
Yeah, I want to see a top 8 where the top 8 are the only people that entered the tournament. :lol:
And that’s if they’re lucky.
We won’t get 8…I gotta get outta here…
japanese, chinese and mexican players dont need to go to evo.
they have snk sponsored tourneys and crazy ass comp in their home towns. that’s why they have no need to come to “evo”.
too bad for the americans that actually play the game. ever thought about doing the traveling instead of crying? oh wait…dark geese actually does that.
Maybe being from Socal, you can’t understand this, but for the rest of Americans, in order to really play and learn a game, and get competition in it, netplay is almost a must. Being from Socal, you got arcades to go to for this. For the rest of us (excluding people around Arcade UFO and CTF), that’s not an option. The closest arcade to me is an hour drive, and it has zero fighting games.
So for me, and a lot of Americans, to learn KOF12, it needs proper netcode, something SNK refuses to provide. How many people would’ve shown up for SF4 this year had there not been at the very least decent netcode in it (not saying it’s the best, but better than a lot of titles)? Definitely not the 1000+ that was there.
And as for our complaining not making SNK listen to us, neither did remaining silent. Either way, SNK doesn’t care.
Is this thread even worthy of my reply??? :yawn:
Missing Person- I dont need a netcode to get good. It’s called travel- its what most top players in ANY fighting game community do anyways and it separates the TOP PLAYERS FROM THE REST. (Justin Wong? he travels…)
If you want true SNK competition look no further than what I am giving the community in addition to Final Round. You’ll find your “SNK EVO” at Raging Storm and the other projects in the works…
Nouveau Defi Prologue 2009- USA vs. Northern Mexico proved that there are some very good SNK players here in the USA…
Good day!
-DG
I’m not going to learn a game that requires me to head to specific tournaments just to play. I’m not going to learn a game that the player base is so spaced out, and the netcode sucks so much, that I have drive all over the nation just to play people. That’s just stupid.
thats exactly whats wrong with the us community, because in order to get really good at any game capcom/snk, one needs to travel to specific tourneys…weather it be evo, sb, fr, cali regionals…whatever.
That’s your opinion. But from my POV, I’m hardcore. I’m not a dabbler. I don’t have patience for dabblers when it comes to SNK games. So I want hardcore players, I want the ones that will do what it takes to get better, that’s what I want. That’s what I do, that’s what top players do. Also I don’t go all over the nation for comp in SNK games, I go to other countries. Different styles of play can open your eyes about games.
But that’s another topic.
I understand what you are saying but I think differently, I love the games so much I won’t let the things you say stop me, my desire to be the best is so strong I won’t let minor things like you say stop me from being good.
It’s all about a person’s desire…how bad you want something.
I wouldnt travel all over for Street Fighter either, but why is that? Because I dont care about street fighter.
If you loved SNK games like me you’d travel for it like I do.
Here’s the link to some of the NDP footage for those that want to see it:
I’m not bashing you for it, either. All I’m saying, is if there was local competition for SNK, or even if the netcode was decent enough that I could gain some bearings in the game, I’d be more than willing to head to tournaments and play KOF12. I’ve done the same for SF, and I would’ve loved to have seen KOF allow me to do the same. I have other things that keeps me from travelling for competition, so that’s not possible where it is for you. But I think it’s for these very reasons that SNK games will stay out of Evo, you have a smattering of players dedicated to the game, and very few casuals. It won’t be able to pull numbers like Marvel, Blazblue, Tekken, Street Fighter would for that very reason. I’m afraid to say it wouldn’t even pull Soul Calibur numbers. I could be wrong on that.
I have to say though I understand the argument of there being too many characters, especially for competitive level playing. It gets very difficult to keep a close balance when there’s 40+ characters on the roster.
I’m fine with that…my problem before was hoping EVO would ever do something like that and I’ve realized the folly of my ways in that regard, you can’t depend on others to do things for you, so I’m doing things on my own, and whatever hardcore SNK players there are I’m delivering to them what they’ve always wanted.
That way in due time there will be a very grand tournament “EVO Style” with nothing but international competition, big pots, etc just like EVO. America is just one of the few countries that doesnt embrace SNK games as much as the rest of the world and I am fine with that…
Local competition is gonna be nonexistant for SNK games in the USA unless you live near a border (for the most part and the highest level play would be near the border)…that’s just how it is…just like you wont find much comp for Street Fighter in Mexico…that’s just how it is…
This kind of asshat response is exactly why the US SNK community is in the shitter.
We’re not talking about not going to tournies or being “good”. We’re talking about SIMPLY PLAYING THE GAME WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
In that case, spending thousands of dollars a year traveling all over the continent just to have somebody to play with is NOT practical.
In any case, you don’t go to tournaments at Majors as the MEANS to train and become good. Tournaments are supposed to be the END results AFTER training and becoming good.
Well that’s all well and good, but a handful of people getting elite isn’t going to help the scene grow overall.
And it’s not going to create the numbers and support that SNK games need to get into EVO.
You gotta crawl before you can walk, but what you’re asking is for people to go straight from crawling to long-distance marathon running.
Just because someone can’t spend thousands of dollars and months out of the year traveling all over doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t care about SNK, it doesn’t mean they’re not “hardcore” or serious about improving, and it doesn’t mean they’re just a “dabbler”.
In fact, what’s wrong with dabblers in the first place?
They’re the pool from which hardcore players end up emerging from in the first place.
Without them as the foundation, no community can be sustained for terribly long.
99.9% of SF4 players aren’t playing to become the next Justin Wong. They shouldn’t have to be Justin Wong in order to find comp and play the game.
Imagine if there was no netcode and no American arcade release for SF4 at all. Then imagine all the top 10 North American SF4 players were scattered across the continent, and in order to play them (or anybody AT ALL), you had to travel to where THEY were and play them in tournaments. Do you think people would really improve in this way? Do you think the game would have even 1/10th of the numbers and skill level the SF4 scene has right now?
The irony of this statement is that KOF 98 UM and KOF 2002, with 50+ legal characters are 2 of the most balanced fighters ever, and Blazblue with like 12 characters is unbalanced as hell.
I love this argument…yet Tekken 6 is pretty balanced at 40+ right?
Not 2-d but it’s still damn good in contrast to MvC2, which has placed this stupid stigma on fighters that in order to be balanced, you must have a shit roster.
98 was already pretty balanced but then came 98um, which not only changed the landscape of the game by making Extra playable, but added the characters that should have been in the game in the first place while not upsetting the balance one bit. Not to mention making the lower tiers that much better with new moves and new properties on old moves as well as new EX characters altogether.
Get Marvel out of your head, that was almost 11 years ago, and was slapped together to make money fast by giving players something they had never seen done before: An all out war on one screen.
Now don’t get me wrong, I love Marvel, and I’ll hop on it later tonight, but it was pretty lazily conceived when in contrast to FG at this present time.
Missing Person - It sounds as if you are having a hard time finding competition. If the competition isn’t close to you, GO TO THEM!!! Otherwise, you are making excuses just because it’s not convenient to you.
I’m currently working on learning Spanish so I can be like DG and train in Mexico, then I wanna try and hit up AI more often. I’m 18 though, and haven’t even started anything College related, but I’ll get over it in my own way.
Last week, I went to some crap end local arcade where there are only maybe 3 players worth fighting, and I think I leveled up considerably from such weak competition. I just go by a different method.
I know, the U.S. SNK community is weak, and we are the last to be considered by SNK. Well, get over it. If it’s too inconvenient for you, then by all means go play SF4, Tekken, or hop on GGPO and quit criticizing the SNK community.
What I wanna assume Dark Geese is referring to is the half-hearted players. Basically the people that play, then complain about how they can’t level up, or will put their all into an SF or Tekken, but put nowhere as much work into a KOF. I’ll admit it, I was like this at some point (said I loved KOF, but played GG all the time) then sat there and praised DG cause he was actually doing something. Which a lot of people are still doing.
I understand balancing multiple games is difficult, but you don’t use SF mastery as an excuse for KOF scrubbiness.
OP: because Evo isn’t in mexico
Don’t get me wrong–I’m not defending the people that sit there and do nothing to help themselves or others while complaining.
I assume that’s mostly what DG is talking about.
I’m just saying not everybody’s a leader, and not everybody can afford to travel extensively.
If more people started organizing stuff locally, rather than jumping around the country immediately, then I think it would be more conducive to growth for the scene overall.
I’m building players as we speak because I figure you can’t call yourself a FG player without trying different shit out. That and the fact that
I can’t travel like I want to right now, doesn’t mean I should stop reaching out to those who want to get away from the mundane, cardboard world of mainstream FGs.