Why most US fighting gamers dont want to play new 2D fighters?

[caliagent_3]

Well You got stuff like Raising Storm and all this other stuff that isnt typical Shoto DP style and supers that aint double fb motion so its unorthodox to a typical Capcom seasoned player…

The timing is pretty strict for some of these certainly in the older school games and then you have some odd timings like for breaking Garou style (doesnt exist in SF games) and stuff like Ryos HSDM 2k2 Max Ranbu which is like a Just Frame and stuff like that in general doesnt exist in SF games.

breaking in garou has the same timing as rc’s, kara throws, and even kara cancels

[FMJaguar]

Here’s a thought:

What 2d fighters do we need anymore?

In today’s world of gears of war and VF5, is this still a concern? I mean MvC2 and GG i can see being tough to port to 3d, but KOF series? SF series?

To be honest one of the most promising things in the community is the MI series, 2 being out and the promise of a 3rd for nextgen is what i have an eye on. If they can do the graphics and gameplay well it would IMO be a milestone. If they can do that AND get the svc game license back, gg.

[Rhio2k]

Uh…2’s been out in the us for a while now…

[NeoPenny]

I missed this thread a couple of pages.

Either way, as for guilty gear, i never really was interested in the way it was inspired by anime. I was more interested because it seemed like a mix of Last Blade and MVC2, andn I like both games.

Now I guess it kinda sucks to bash guilty gear in its graphics department given that the newer games coming out from japan, pretty much will be based on those looks. Fist of the North Star and Melty Blood are 2 examples, however, when we look at the future there are games like:
Arcana Heart
Battle Fantasia

and heck even KoF looks more anime every year.

and kenichi, but i guess that’s more on the DBZ Budokai style…

Now I really hope DG kicks’ The answer’s ass as well. DG is more down to earth, and more supportive and not arrogant at all.

[Dark_Geese]

Thanks for the support guys I will do my best Win Lose or Draw at NEC. :nunchuck:

And see heres the thing about me I never give up…so even if I lose a battle I have never lost the war…I will keep fighting this thing till the end…be it my quest for a Title or whatever it is…

NeoPenny Man I am seriously looking at coming to Mexico real soon…if anything I just watched “The Real Cancun” And I wanna go to Mexico and get me a REAL MEXICAN GIRL…yummy…lol.

[Cavern_mantis]

FM jaguar is damn right,what is to be expected of new 2D fighters?
at the beginnig you were stuck to the ground and could only jump the same way,then hyper/small jump,air dash, dash,roll,double jump air dash…have you seen melty matchs?they are flying…the management of space reached the limits of freedom in 2d fighters.
Already after kof 02,i wonder what i could expect from fighters,and i was really disappointed by what came next…

[Dark_Geese]

Its almost as if everything eventually starts to borrow from each other…Now KOF has tagging in it…lol.

It was only a matter of time…

[NeoPenny]

I which i had known you a couple of months ago Geese. I would have send you the Deadly Rave DVD (KoF 2k2 tournament in Mexico). It’s back home now, and i can’t make a copy of it.

You got my support DG

[Dark_Geese]

Damn damn damn…well hey man don’t worry I will be headed up to Mexico for various reasons…(See my thread)

#1- GAMING
#2- HOT HISPANIC BITCHES!!!

#2 is pretty close to #1 also…lol.

But man the more KOF2k2 vids I can watch the better…
Mexico soon will become my favorite travelling area…y si hablo espanol perfectamente porque soy Cubano!!! (Of the black variety)

Muera pinche Fidel!!!

Also man keep me posted when you are having more of these tournies I am going to get my passport to Mexico and I will be travelling there quite a bit…

I will be in gaming and FEMALE heaven so I know I’ll have a good time…lol.

[MagnetGenocide]

Yeah KOF is the main fighting game in Mexico, followed closely by Mvc2.

[renvi]

KOF is the main fighting game at everywhere except US…

[Dark_Geese]

The truth hence why I don’t get wtf is going on here in the US…it makes no sense everyone is more open minded to it BUT us…

[Return_of_Shiki]

…And you should be. Whipping your stick out like that in public, for shame.:bluu:

All kidding aside, back in my Japanese culture club, about a year and a half ago when I first started getting into 3rd strike (and was still playing on a pad at the time), me and someone else who posts on this site decided to play a few matches. Very few people even cared to watch. One girl asked to try and he took it extremely easy on her since all she was doing was pressing lp and lk.
But when I threw in Tekken 5, that’s when people started crowding around to watch and asking if they could try. Apparently all they cared about was how user-friendly it was and the fact that you could play as a kangaroo or bear.:rolleyes:
As far as GG is concerned, the ones who recommended it to me were clearly hardcore anime fans but I never got to see if they were actually skilled at it.
There was one guy in my other club though who played me in GG and 3rd Strike and he was damned good at both ('inspired me to get much better). He never showed any hints of being into anime, just an avid game player.

Hey yo, you’re not talking about the UNCC Nihon Club, are you?
I went a handful of times about 3-4 years ago, but everybody was mostly into just anime and DDR above all else. I’m not that much into anime, just straight games, so needless to say I didn’t find a lot of common ground with those people.
There was maybe a handful of people who played MAYBE Tekken, Soul Calibur or GG casually at a novice level, though.

Doubt seriously they would get really into KOF or SF…

I dont understand why everyone constantly looks to Japanese players to determine which games are worthwhile and which games are not. Clearly they aren’t the end-all when it comes to playing fighters. They don’t even really have a scene for the best game. Guilty Gear? 3rd Strike? Fuck that shit. MARVEL!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

most of these games suck compared to the ones were already playing.

How about NO?
How about giving a new game a chance and learning instead of using your older games as a pacifier for your ego?

also most of these games have no scenes, and therefore no incentive to play.

This is the very kind of circular logic that kills our scene. Too many sheep, not enough people who can stand up and support the scene themselves. OF COURSE a new game won’t have a scene at first…it’s fucking NEW. All games were new at one point. How the fuck is that logic supposed to help when people won’t support a new game because it doesn’t have a scene, and thus kills the chance for it even to become a scene.

and the reason there are no scenes for these games is because the games are relatively harder to play (because of accessibility), and generally inferior to the games with established scenes.

The only reason is because of narrow-mindedness like yours. With console tourneys being the norm and a lot of people importing, the fact is that the lack of an arcade/US console release is less of an excuse than it has ever been. The supposed inferiority of games is only within your own mind. If you equate “established scene = superior game” then of fucking course all new games are going to be inferior. See point above.

the reason more ppl dont play ggxx is because guilty gear players are weird.

Pathetic excuse. And I’m sure I could bring up a lot of things about the average Marvel player, based on things I’ve heard. But I won’t because that’s generalizing and generalizing a group of people based on ignorant perceptions is wrong.

[System_1]

Here’s a thought:

What 2d fighters do we need anymore?

In today’s world of gears of war and VF5, is this still a concern? I mean MvC2 and GG i can see being tough to port to 3d, but KOF series? SF series?

Are you talking 2D graphics or 2D gameplay? Just curious, I don’t think common 3D elements like sidesteps, irregularly-shaped stages, the camera going nuts during supers and throws (admittedly not much difference between this and a super flash) need to be shoehorned into every game any more than rolls, low jumps, super moves, dashes etc do.

[Dark_Geese]

Shiki says the truth…check your reps Shiki :wgrin:

How can a new game have a scene comparable to 3s lets see 3s has been out for hmmm ALMOST A DECADE NOW!!! If you wanna count SF3 NG we have been parrying and playing with YUN FOR A FULL FUCKING DECADE FOLKS!!!

Yeah and remember even when 3s first came out it STILL did not have a big scene like it did now…

So yes Shiki I am glad you see what I saw in that almost I’m better than you are cock-waving post…

Funny thing is I used to see that in person a LOT…now people see I dont care what they think its funny they now actually support me a little bit more…lol.

[Return_of_Shiki]

Yeah…I wonder if these new players even realize that SF3 was COMPLETELY IGNORED IN AMERICA FOR 6 YEARS until Japan raped the US at Evo in 3S and top players decided to step up their game in it. And then the usual bunch of sheep and nutriders saw all of their top players playing it and telling them it was a good game worth supporting, and followed.

[Dark_Geese]

Exactly you call them sheep I call them “followers.”

LOL.

But we all see exactly what it is…:lol:

[FMJaguar]

Are you talking 2D graphics or 2D gameplay? Just curious, I don’t think common 3D elements like sidesteps, irregularly-shaped stages, the camera going nuts during supers and throws (admittedly not much difference between this and a super flash) need to be shoehorned into every game any more than rolls, low jumps, super moves, dashes etc do.

2d graphics, it’ll be up to the game what they do with the mechanics.

[Bacardi]

2d graphics, it’ll be up to the game what they do with the mechanics.

  me and fmj had a interesting conversation about how fireballs, spacing and zoning would work in a x|y plane and it would seem the next logical step for streetfighter to incorporate into its gameplay. Nothing wrong with being a graphics whore either I mean cmon look at vf5 :rock:

[tataki]

Yeah…I wonder if these new players even realize that SF3 was COMPLETELY IGNORED IN AMERICA FOR 6 YEARS until Japan raped the US at Evo in 3S and top players decided to step up their game in it. And then the usual bunch of sheep and nutriders saw all of their top players playing it and telling them it was a good game worth supporting, and followed.

well there you have your solution.
make top players play new games= all the sheep will play too.