I’m a young player(15), and I would pefer that game over ANY fast paced game. When I first started playing I was getting raped all the time, because I was’nt patient enough. I wanted to attack all the time, instead of recongnizing situtaions and tring to get out of them. I had no strategy. CvS2=first love 
P.S. Nomore RAPING, because now I have strategy.
im 15 aswell and i lvoe this game… except from same straightup bullshit like some characters just DONT stand a chance against certain characters… u dont have that with 3s…
but i do love the grooves, and the differences between them
and cvs2 is just different, as in mvc2 is all about resets, snapouts and assists
3s is all about, parry/grab/mixups
when we talk about cvs2 the most common question is: omg WTF DO I DO WITH MY SAKURA VS BLANKA BALL?
cvs2 is so… characterbased… seriously, read any faq which isnt outdated, they all talk about blanka balls, sagat fierces and shit… not that they should be spammed but how should they be stopped… cvs2 is in no way balanced, hell we cant even make an SNK top 10 =/
cvs2 requires patience, u cant just bash the c.lk and suspect it to combo with sagat… ALMOST EVERYTHING is timing… thats what makes the game so awsome, everytime i see Amir do c.lk, s.lp, s.lp, c.mk xx super with sagat i yell of pleasure 
And when I try to do it I die of agony…
Damn I hate this game :mad:
Tell that to Otaku and Chikyuu.
the gh3y thing is not being able to play the chars u like/groove u like. i.e. if i wanna play kyosuke/beni/haoh/morrigan/a billion other characters, i’m gonna get fragged by CBS/a-bison/a-sak.
hell, so many people play CBS that there’s even an abbreviation for the team name. no one confuses it with chang/benimaru/'sim. like omg, i was playin the other day and i was the ONLY guy not usin blanka… no matter what chang/beni/sim <<< novice CBS
plus the ratio system is dumb because u pretty much have to use 1/1/2, and the groove system, ugh… p is barely anything like 3s so u have to re-learn it, n-groove sucks cuz it can’t deal w/RC, and s groove… hell, i don’t even need to say anything about it, everyone already knows why it sucks.
P groove’s bar is the slowest.
There are Guard Crush CC’s that kill you if you block, or if you don’t.
RC’s
I actually like these things in this game tho, it makes it more interesting. I just accept it and try my best. I think deep down that it comes down to the player and not the character or groove.
LTB
Eh… whining gets you nowhere.
Let’s see. Otaku made it to SBO1 final 8 with K Hibiki, Kyo, Rock(2).
Daigo got there with C Guile, Chun, Sagat(2)
Dan made it with C Ryu, Ken, Sagat(2)
Aoijiru (Blue Juice) made it with A Guile, Bison, Todo(2)
Morikawa started A Hibiki on his team that got him into top 8. A Hibiki, Blanka, Bison(2) to be exact.
Version got in with A Maki, Joe, Chun-li(2). How’s that for your CBS/A Bison/A Sakura theory?
Only 2 people played the teams you mentioned. Ino with K CBS, and Tokido with A Sakura, Bison, Blanka(2). Tokido didn’t follow the standard 1/1/2 ratio setup for the finals, though- he went with A Blanka(2), Sakura, Bison… to get rid of Daigo’s Guile, I guess. It worked.
If you look at our CvS2 reps for SBO each year…
Buktooth88 plays N Iori, Morrigan, Hibiki. And he wins.
Choi plays C Guile, Ken, Sagat(2) doesn’t he?
More characters have had successful tournament showings in CvS2 in recent years than in most other games.
still… 3/4 SBO finalists played A-sak/bison/blanka…
if the guys who play other characters (rock, hibiki, todo etc. that you mentioned) played A-sak/bison/blanka instead, maybe they’d have been the finalists instead.
and about the 1/1/2 setup, i don’t really mean the order, order is important (putting an r2 first can really throw a wrench in the enemies plan). i mean that no one EVER uses an r3/r4 competitively.
How can N Groove not deal with RC? Someone PLEASE explain this to me. S Groove doesn’t suck, a U.S. S Groove player nearly beat one of the top Japanese players (Daigo) at Evo. And don’t try to argue about tiers because EVERY game has them, 3S With Yun, Chun, Ken and I say Urien and Makoto too. GGXX With Slayer Millia Eddie, MvC2 with the big 4 and Strider. Hell even ST has top tiers. No one ever plays with and R3/R4 Competitively? Ino Ohnuki and Tokido ALL lost to a r4 K Groove Raiden in an SBO qualifying tournament. Will people who suck at CvS2 please stop bitching about it :rolleyes: ?
the fact is, the game has a cast of almost 50 characters. only about 20 of the characters are usable in competitive play (and that’s being generous)
you have to admit that at least 30/50 characters will most likely see very little, if any tournament play (e.g. beni/yuri/chang), and of those teams that do make it in tournaments, they almost always have at least one of the top 5 characters (cbs/a-sak/bison) which most likely will be their r2.
sure, you can find one or two exceptions, but there are legions of players who play the top characters.
You’re looking at this the wrong way.
Tokido- A Sakura, Bison, Blanka
Daigo- C Guile, Chun-li, Sagat
Ino- K Cammy, Blanka, Sagat
Aoijiru- A Guile, Bison, Todo
Version- A Maki, Joe, Chun-li
Dan- C Ryu, Ken, Sagat
Morikawa- A Hibiki, Blanka, Bison
Otaku- K Hibiki, Kyo, Rock.
Character totals-
A Sakura- 2
A Bison- 3
A Blanka- 2
K Blanka- 1
C Sagat- 3
K Cammy- 1
C Guile- 1
A Guile- 1
C Chun-li- 1
A Chun-li- 1
A Hibiki- 1
K Hibiki- 1
C Ken- 1
K Kyo- 1
K Rock- 1
C Ryu- 1
A Todo- 1
A Maki- 1
A Joe- 1
Team BAS members (ie. A Sakura, Bison, Blanka) made up a total of 7/24, or about 29% of the full count of characters.
Specifically, A Sakura was 1/12 of the roster, or about 8%.
A Bison was 1/8, or 12.5%.
A Blanka was also 1/12, or about 8%.
C Sagat was 1/8 or 12.5%
In short, almost 3/4 of the characters used were NOT Team BAS characters (about 71%, actually). Considering they beat who knows how many people to even qualify for SBO in the first place, AND beat more people to get into the final 8, there’s no reason to assume that any of them couldn’t have taken the finals. Tokido got lucky in all his matches and won. Morikawa should have beaten him, Ino missed some chances, and Daigo just screwed up, too.
Check out this year’s results- the other team got lucky and beat Tokido’s team, which was hella buff (Ohnuki, Ino, and Tokido).
Rugal sucks does he? Sure he does, because there aren’t a bunch of Kim/Rugal teams floating around or anything. Many a person in FL has lost to Trent or Brandon when they were playing Beni, I’m sure.
You don’t know anything. Almost no one in Japan plays CBS. Americans are lazy scrubs…those “legions” are scrubs. If you’re too lazy to really learn the game, you will lose to CBS, yes.
I’m deeply sorry that you’re unable to understand the groove system. Whoever says N-groove can’t deal with RC is pretty dumb. I mean, beyond the fact that N-groove IS a roll groove, it has more mobility than A-groove. But people don’t bother to learn that, they just see that Sak has a guard crush CC and RC hurricane and don’t see anything easy written about N, so they give up. They’re lazy, so they don’t bother to learn how to play without jumping like its Marvel or something, so they get owned by A-Bison.
Characters are stronger than others, yes. But we’ve already been over how this is true in any game.
The problem is just that people like you don’t think. You’ve edited out of your post where you said “and about cbs/a-bison/sak, is it just a coincidence that ALMOST every team in sbo has AT LEAST one of those characters in it?”, after Crimson actually ran the numbers, and explained what really happened.
You can go back to being a scrub in whatever other game you play. CvS2 is clearly too much for you.
as crimson just showed, out of those 8 teams:
2 played 3 characters from that pool. (25%)
1 played 2 characters from that pool. (12.5%)
and 3 played only 1 character… (37.5%)
leaving only two teams that didn’t play any of them. that’s 75% that played at least one of the characters.
and seerd, man. you gotta chill out dude!!! I’m just posting my opinion… i didn’t know you loved this game that much!!! :lol:
p.s. i like how you play blanka and sagat as well!! how creative.
great argument. player x using groove y and character z won in this match so therefore they can’t suck!
:lame:
R4 K groove Raiden >>>>>>>>>> A-Sak/Blanka/Bison!
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Maybe I should have that as my signature or something. That seems kind of funny “sho sho sho” “oh shit 2/3rds of my life gone to ratio 1!” (blocked M. Bison/Blanka CC) “oh shit there goes the other 1/3rd”
You’re pretty dead on with that theory. I don’t really like this game because I can’t really do anything against good players. In faster paced games, I can do more stuff and actually get in someone’s face. I still like to play this once in awhile, but, I get bored of getting raped by S and A ranked players who counter the shit out of me :lol:
People who suck will always complain about being beat by rc’s and cr.fp untill they start to parry, jd, roll,jump.:rolleyes:
Cvs2 is deaper than rc.
Like someone else said, “I’d rather deal with Sakura’s s.rh than majority of rcs in the game”.
Origonaly posted by chipp.
“You’re pretty dead on with that theory. I don’t really like this game because I can’t really do anything against good players. In faster paced games, I can MASH BUTTONS WITH NO STRATEGY. I still like to play this once in awhile, but, I get bored of getting raped by S and A ranked players who counter the shit out of me”
gen.d00dz,
the kind of generalizations you are making about the game is what turns potiential players off from picking the game up.
people are so wrapped up in tiers and “game breaking” glitches around here its a wonder anyone ever actully sits down and plays anything.
Well Shit . RCing, yeah…Its lame and odda be out of the game. RC Rugal is simply sickening, and RC Honda is such a god damn whore its not funny. High tier wise? Yeah Sakura. Bison / Rolento aren’t easy to use. Rolento has some nice pressure and run away not to mention c.mk -> qcfx3+p combo of poking doom. Sagat? ATHENA . All I can say is her c.fierce beats his >P. 3rd strike, isn’t so random. Its actually a very cold calculating game sometimes. Complicated rock paper scissors. Bread and butters vs bread and butters / who has more gauge. Urien in the corner with 2 gauge = sorry, unless you’re a really good red parry you’re toast. Yun’s Genejin combos are painful, Ken and Chun Li poke you low with MKs into super arts 2 for chun li and 3 for Ken, although you see more throwing with Ken .
Back to CvS2. Make sure you all live it up when S Groove Kyosuke Ryu somebody make it to semi finals at ECC-9’s Team CvS2. Taking low tier to a whole new level :P.
RCing is lame when you don’t know how to deal with it initially and you fight someone who just sits back and waits for you to attack them, then does a RC move to beat you out (this happened to me last night and it was not fun). That’s lame, but it just means you need to improve. Like Ocelot said, CvS2 is deeper than RC. You just have to know how to deal with it.