I usually actually feel a bit cheap playing top tiers. Then again, before 3S I never played a top tier as my main and I went with Yun from the beginning. I just picked the character I liked the most and honestly, cheap or not, I love the character and I have tried to learn him inside out.
Just as a sidenote I think even bandwagoners would choose the character they like the most even if their motive for liking them was ease of use or possibly cheap stuff.
I skim over just about 90-95% of everyone’s posts on this board, but when I see your avatar I make sure to stop and read. :tup:
I don’t think ppl actually belittle guys who use low tier. It’s just that the best players usually pick top tier to give themselves a better chance to win.
You don’t get props just from using low tier. You earn respect if ppl see that you’re good with the character that you use. I mean I’m a low tier whore myself but if I lose horribly in a tourney match I don’t expect ppl to say, “ooo you did well for a low tier character.” 'Cause I go into every match thinking it’s a fair fight and I would win if I’m the better player.
Makoto because she’s got beautifully large breasts for her size, She has style as well; also I like to image her under clothes as a intricately laced brazier.
Plus those enormous hands and feet, oh yeah the stun.
Here’s my lineup:
Q, dammit: Q has some nice pokes, decent anti-airs, insane corner combos, and somehow, I feel it’s easier to counter Chun while I play Q. Beside, he’s low-tier and not very popular…tourneys would be shocked half to death if I came in representing Q. But, as I always say, REAL MEN USE Q?, and I just happen to be one of those REAL MEN? who know how to USE Q?. (I dare you to say this at a joint full of Chun/Yun/Ken/Akuma scrubs) Besides, the non-grappler powerhouseness is hardcore, as are the C&DB combos. I heard he was a secret character in Second Impact, and if that’s true I can easily see why.
Remy: I have madd ume, and can sense a strike coming on about 65% of the time, even quick ones. That shit gets Blue Nocturned. I could probably beat Daigo using Remy SA3, if I really felt like it and were charged off of two cans of BooKoo. But then again, after BooKoo, I can do just about anything.
Sean: No one ever gives the underdog a chance. That’s why I started using Q. But THE bottom-tier character is Sean. Because of this, hardly anyone plays him. Therefore, they’re missing out on the killer rushdown and agility that is Sean. Seriously, even though REAL MEN USE Q?, even realer men (and women) use Sean. One who can come up standing up for the little guy, in this case Sean, sure as hell has my respect.
REAL MEN USE Q?
Attacking scrubs’ masculinity since 2006
I remember using low tier characters in Tekken Tag (Lee Chaolan and Hwoarang), but I didn’t play them because they were low tier. I played them because I enjoyed playing them and they suited my style of play. I was a Mishima player much like a lot of players, but I could play with the entire roster of all the Tekken games starting with Tekken 1 up until now. I was just much more solid with Lee and Hwoarang in TTT. I had been playing Lee since Tekken 2 and Hwoarang since Tekken 3 so I had been playing them for years. I use to get flack all the time because I played these two characters.
I always placed in Seattle tournies never first, perrenially 3rd or 4th, but my friends who won 1st and 2nd used top tier characters as well as everyone else who placed below me. I even made it to the Quarter Finals of the losers bracket at the last big TTT World Tourney in Los Angeles back in 2001 I believe using Lee and Hwoarang. I lost in the quarters because Ryan Hart (Tekken champ from London) had watched me play the entire tourney (we both stayed at Tom Hilfiger’s pad). He then coached his buddy from the Netherlands the entire time explaining to him my weaknesses and he told him to play the Ogres who were my main weakness causing me problems if played well. He found that out while we chilled together playing earlier, I never told him obviously he just figured it out. Pretty fucked up but whatever.
But yea I agree with your post.
I usually try a low tier character or two, and if I’m good with said character, I’ll stick with it. Anyone who can beast top-tier whores with lower-tier characters, is automatically the shit. If top-tier whores give you shit for using someone else, don’t take that bullshit to heart…just put a quarter in and start beasting on them. I usually counter shit-talking from Chun-Li/Yun/Ken players with “Chun/Yun/Ken is for scrubs…REAL MEN USE Q” Then I show them exactly why that is so.
You are right that is wrong for people to talk shit to you for your character choice. All the same, its not right for you to disrespect other players for their choice in character.
I’m fairly sure there is such thing as a “low tier” whore as well. This is basically a person who thinks he is better than everyone else for picking a character that most people consider bad. Understand that you can pick whoever you want, just like other people can. Don’t expect people to be impressed with you just for playing a character. Do you think I enjoy seeing Kuroda or Hayao play because they pick low tier characters? No, I enjoy seeing them play because they are good players. The same way that RX, KO, Nuki and Daigo are good players.
My point is that just because you pick a character who has ‘lesser’ ability, it does not give you the right to discredit the time and effort spent by other players with the characters of their choice. (Just like they should not discredit you).
Winning is winning, no matter what the path you take to get there is.
Chun is for scrubs. :lol:
I play Yun, and if I lose to a Chun, I feel robbed. I feel that I probably worked much harder for my rounds won. However, I choose to play Yun. I made a choice that all my work with Yun will pay off. There is nothing stopping me from playing Chun. So whether I feel robbed or not, I won’t go rambling on about Chun being unbalanced. Even though Chun has much easier execution and learning curve than Yun, I still was outplayed.
I think that when you play a game, you’re basically saying you are accepting to play it with all its imbalance and flaws. If you don’t want to play the game as is, then have your own “house rules” and I could care less.
It just sucks that such a powerful character is so easy to use. If someone kicks my ass with another top-tier like Yun, he would have to be more devoted to the game and learn all the great technical stuff that makes Yun top-tier. Since I’m not THAT devoted to the game like some here, that type of guy would have kicked my ass with anyone anyway. If someone kicks my ass with Ken, it was probably because Ken just has a little edge all around but he still has to work for his win. If someone kicks my ass with Makoto, he or she at some point still had to take a big risk. If someone of equal or lower skill consistently kicks my ass with Yang, Elena, etc., it’s probably because there was a bad match up in their favor. But Chun is just bullshit. I could pick Chun with my equal or lower skill level and then kick their ass… But I won’t do it… Because that would take all the fun out of playing the game. She is way too good of a character for the turtle that she is. I like turtles, but I like thoughtful turtles like Hugo or Q. Chun just sucks if your agenda is to have fun rather than win.
“I’m fairly sure there is such thing as a “low tier” whore as well. This is basically a person who thinks he is better than everyone else for picking a character that most people consider bad. Understand that you can pick whoever you want, just like other people can. Don’t expect people to be impressed with you just for playing a character. Do you think I enjoy seeing Kuroda or Hayao play because they pick low tier characters? No, I enjoy seeing them play because they are good players. The same way that RX, KO, Nuki and Daigo are good players.”
I see what you’re saying but it just sucks when there is a character whose playstyle you like but for no reason whatsoever, Capcom just feels the need to make them weaker than everybody else. For example, Necro is such a cool character but for no reason whatsoever, Capcom made him take more damage than most of the other characters with equal or more options than he has. Now what was the reason for that? He wasn’t a new character added to the game (like Q for example) so it wasn’t a balance issue. He doesn’t blatantly have more options than say Chun Li, Dudley or Ken. He has no priority (the way that Chun does) so he can’t avoid getting hit. Capcom just felt the need to nurf a perfectly fun character.
Sure, I could just as easily pick Chun, but then the game wouldn’t be fun… I’m glad that 98% of the people who play this game casually feel the same way that I do because if that wasn’t the case, this game would suck and I wouldn’t like it so much.
My house rules are no throwing more than once in a row and you can’t move backwards or block for more than 5 seconds.
Necro’s not a bad character. Probably the biggest reason for him being lower on the tier list is just simply because his poking game isn’t going to win him matches like with other characters. Necro needs to get in close and take risks to do damage but once he gets in…he’s almost unstoppable. Too much pressure with those dive kicks and LP tornado hooks. Even Ken has trouble reversing that crap. Actually…Necro has a pretty good poking game against the shotos so really Ken isn’t all that bad for him. It’s just that his pokes don’t work very well against Chun and Yun can jump on him all day long…unless he has SA1 which is the super most Necro players use against him any ways.
I think it’s just a matter of Capcom tried to balance the game by making the characters with the more overwhelming offensive games weaker so they are forced to take more risks to get the big damage. Characters with frame advantage on just about everything like Necro, Ibuki and Akuma. Of course they probably didn’t realize how seriously powerful the poking games of Chun and Ken were going to be or how Yun’s Genei Jin can do half your life bar with the right setup.
That’s just stuff that has to be found out when the game comes out. Which…once that happens really all they could have done back in 1999 was make a new version of the game that made Chun’s c.MK a bit harder to confirm and took away the unblockables for Urien, Oro, etc. Not that they really need their unblockables taken away cuz they’re a big part of their game. SA3 Urien without unblockables is just not as threatning. Urien can’t really hit confirm much of anything into a super so his unblockables make up for it. Create a knockdown…and you have opportunity for big damage.
Capcom couldn’t have figured all this stuff out themselves. I doubt many of the people at Capcom that originally developed the game are super competitive SF players now. They just know how to create a working fighting game engine. From there it’s up to players to find the other crazy stuff that makes the game the competitive art it is today.
In the future when online gaming actually becomes a viable source for playing competitively…they’ll be able to do things like balance characters on the fly instead of waiting for months to make a semi sequel like Guilty Gear does. Not that that’s a problem and Arc Systems should no less than be commended for their hard work in changing a game that everyone loves to keep it fresh and balance the tiers so lower tiers can become more competitive. Ky and Chipp were pretty much meh tier in # Reload and now they are bad asses in Slash. It’s stuff like that which needs to be incorporated into more fighting games.
I think 3rd Strike just got lucky and became like CVS2/MVC2 where the game itself just balances out the characters enough to make them all virtually competitive. Well…more so for 3S than the other 2 games. Q may be a pretty easy character for Chun to outpoke but if he gets in and parries the right things…he can win. The match isn’t just a done deal GGPO kinda thing like it would be in an earlier SF game. Even Twelve with enough practice can dance outside of Ken’s poking range and hit him with IAD’s till it just overwhelms him. The parrying system allows any character to beat out an otherwise impenetrable poking game from the likes of Ken/Chun.
When you pick your character, you accept all the disadvantages and advantages that come with it. By picking Q, you’re saying that you’re cool with the fact that Q has terrible matchups against half the cast. This doesn’t make you any better than someone who picks Yun, who has no bad matchups, it just means you either play the game for different reasons or your reasons led to a different character choice. Don’t rip on people who pick top tiers; your choice is no better than theirs is, it’s just a different choice. Don’t complain about Chun being easy to use and hard for you to beat, because after all, you were the one who chose to use a character that has a difficult time beating Chun.
That’s a good post Deviljin, I really learned some things.
I don’t think Chun’s the worst fight in the game for the characters I pick (I still think Hugo’s like 4-6 with her at my skill level, and even if that’s being a little easy on Hugo, I know he has harder matches); I just think she’s boring to fight. Thank god the vast majority of people who play the game casually agree with me and thus don’t pick her. She might be the best turtle character in the game but she is also the most boring one to play. Ultradavid, the guy that picks chun may beat you more often than not but you’ll win in “fun” for sure.
Is losing with a bad character more fun than winning with a good character?
is it fun to lose:wtf: ???
There are ppl that only want to win, and those are the ones that had more friends before they started playing.
What the fuck?