At the end of the day Capcom is still a business. If you are so shocked that a business is doing things to make extra money that you complain on a forum then I feel sorry for you.
I never bought the characters, cause they look like shit. Surprisingly enough though I never fight them online. I could count the number of times I’ve seen Jill and Shuma on one hand. So either they suck or Crapcom didn’t make a whole lot of money off of their DLC idea.
Or 3, people finally wised up and stopped playing the shit online. Or 4, people aren’t stupid enough to try and beat people with characters they only played for a week when they have more stable teams.
Magic card prices are determined by the secondary market. When WOTC makes cards they aren’t thinking “hmm, we should charge $80 for this one!” Every card is worth the same when it gets printed, the players determine the price after release. MTG cards are tested months before they’re released by an RnD team of old top players to make sure they’re all balanced and viable for tournament play. Magic is a TCG, you know you’ll be buying cards to stay competitive before you even start playing the game, that’s how all TCGs work.
You can’t even really price something that there’s an infinite amount of, so everything is up to Capcom. If they want to charge $20 for the Mother Sentinel DLC then they’re going to charge $20 and you can’t do anything about it except either buy it or not. It’s not like TCGs where we only have a limited supply of everything, DLC is actually worthless.
I remember that the regular Pokemon cards from the original set actually sold for very good prices… until they decided to re-release all the early sets like 3 times total… then the prices dropped so much… :’( stupid TCGs.
To put an interesting spin on what I think Shoultzula is getting at: Imagine if Shuma and Jill were included in the game’s original release,HOWEVER Phoenix/Dark Phoenix and Sentinel (the un-nerfed version) were the DLC they were charging money for…
Assuming they would’ve turned out the same as how they are now (minus the Sentinel nerf), any competitive player and/or people like myself who contribute setups to their local tournaments would pretty much have to obtain those characters in order to stay ahead of the curve. Unless they got banned from tournament play, we’re pushed into a situation where we either pay the company for whatever they put out or risk falling behind due to lack of exposure to potentially the best characters.
In that case it’s not really optional for me and I’d also be extra salty knowing that I’m paying for something I can’t even reasonably fight against 80% of the time (i. e. good phoenix players). It’s kinda gay when you want to support a game’s scene but you don’t want to be nickel and dimed into supporting potential bullshit or else have no competition to play against anymore (i.e. choosing to quit the game).
Different world, and we get nickel and dimed because we choose to be
than again i make a lot of money
if you are too poor that 5$ is life and death, sell all your video games and systems and find a new job
if you hate dlc out of principle, lol this is a new digital market. Deal with it.
Play old games and stay behind because this is the new way companies include hidden content.
You know, the choice to even buy a game in the first place is just that: a choice. Buying a game is optional.
Are people going to argue that since most people you know are playing this new game, and you want to stay ahead of the curve and be competitive in the game, that it’s not actually optional to buy this game, and that Company XYZ is evil for forcing you to pay for something that’s not “truly optional?”
Expectations are higher for cacpcom
thats obviously a lie because they wouldn’t have charged us for it
You underestimate the allure of the formerly almighty dollar.
Full Base Sets sell for a few hundred now randomly.
some of you guys that are so anti dlc should put things in the perspective of the developer.
lets face it, game development cycles are much longer these days, much more expensive and a lot more personnel to get it done. basically, games are really fucking expensive.
with that said, do all you guys even know how much it costs them to make 1 complete character? do you guys know their schedule? their budget, etc etc etc? no, its all assumption.
you guys ever think that maybe the developer goes over budget/over schedule to provide these extra characters/dlc? an example. mvc3 came out february 14th. well what if the developer originally wanted shuma and jill to be on the regular roster and avoid the dlc route? the problem is, the publisher wanted the game out in time for the holidays cuz of marketing purposes and they are maxed on budget for the title, but the developer really wants those 2 characters on the roster. they make a compromise. extend the dev cycle 2 months to work and finish these 2 extra characters, and release them as dlc to help cover the extra development time that was needed to complete the characters.
you guys can be mad all you want about dlc. but the harsh reality is, is the economy sucks, game development is insanely expensive/difficult, and its hard to sell a game that isnt call of duty/gta/random 1st party nintendo title. its already a gamble for even releasing fighters these days. you have to understand, they have to make money on this, or else they go out of business. if capcom goes out of business. bye bye sf, bye bye mvc. than all of a sudden all the haters are upset cuz they are now out of business and they wont see anymore titles ever again.
also look at it from this angle. dlc is also a technique used to also try and get money out of people that pirate games. its the same technique that free to play games use. entire games that are free to play, but use micro transactions to give people more stuff(not mandatory).
i understand why people hate paying for stuff on the disc. but its thats company’s rights. they have to make money. whether they put it on the disc or not, it changes absolutely nothing.
as for the counter strike and other pc stuff being free always, that shoutzula says. yes, its very nice. but you are also talking about games that sell insanely well. they can afford to do that. but the reality is, they are basically doing all those updates, dlc, at a loss. they lose money doing that. it costs thousands of dollars just to do simple updates. programmers, designers, network admins, etc that all have a hand in releasing a simple patch is very expensive.
on top of that, on pc, they can release patches whenever they want through their own servers. not true on console. devs/publishers have to PAY microsoft and sony just to release a patch.
im just pointing out some stuff that people/consumers dont think/know about.
with that said, i have no problems paying for extra content. they worked hard on that shit. if its a good game, it shouldnt be a problem to pay a few measly extra dollars to extend the replayability of a game you like!
i mean really guys, you’re bitching over the most trivial shit
in all honesty, i purchased jill and shuma cuz i coudl, but i dont use them, if they come out with megaman x and green goblin ill go nuts
Yeah I chose to buy the game, hoping I would be competing and improving in that version of the game for at least about a year or more before it gets updated and hoping that the game wouldn’t turn into shit before that. I knew Jill and Shuma would be added to the game eventually, **but I wasn’t sure if we’d have to pay for them **(because they directly impact the gameplay and were released in a short period of time). That’s the only knowledge I had about this game when I chose to buy it.
What I didn’t know is that they might make a ghost patch to the game within a month of its release and that they would charge to put in the extra characters that would change the game.
First of all, I don’t like the idea of them making a drastic change to the game well before we get the chance to figure out what’s already in it (and that was free). Secondly, I actually hope they don’t add any more characters to the game for a loooong time, *even if they’re free *because I want to make the most of what I already paid to compete in. I take more issue with the game changing before it evolves (or devolves) aspect than actually having to pay for it.
I’m trying to learn and accept the game for what it is right now. I might not like/accept the game after a drastic enough update, so if this trend of updating/changing/adding characters to the game on a frequent basis continues, then yes, I am going to choose to quit playing/supporting it. What I’m saying is being put into that situation within such a short period of time is stupid, imo.
Hypothetically, if they just so happen to add more (potentially overpowered) characters next month, the fact that they’re going charge for them is just incentive not to support it competitively.
TLDR: Don’t turn the game from something I’m interested in playing into something I’m no longer interested in playing and then expect me to pay for it to boot.
Also: I wasn’t around and competing when the community was rejecting stuff like Alpha 2: Gold and Alpha 3: Upper and choosing to keep playing the original versions instead, so I’m not 100% sure the reasons for that has anything to do with the type of things I just said, but I’m hoping Marvel 3 doesn’t have to come to that.
I cannot for the life of me see what others see in the new MK. After years of the same product and many of the same problems throughout the franchise, for some unexplained reason there is just a clean slate it seems.
Personally I’m not into the whole blood and guts thing, I don’t have a problem with it in anyway, just not my style. And while that may draw in alot of initial players, I don’t see what changes this new MK from what I expect to see.
haters gonna hate simple as that.I haven’t seen this much defense over a game since Arcana 3, lets not worry what random Blazblue player or random Tekken player thinks about MVC3 and just continue to enjoy the game,chances are they are hating because 1.) they are just jumping on the bandwagon hate and finally glad another game is being hated on besides their own. 2.) Their game isn’t the “capcom killer” like they want it to be, or 3.) they genuinely don’t like the game for valid reasons lol.
You know, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that people are getting so caught up in the financial quagmires of the issue (Which, you’ll always get people who want something for free, myself included. Then you either gotta pony up the cash, get a JTAG, or go without =P) that they’re forgetting the competitive implications that Shoultzula and Preppy are trying to get across.
First off, there is a fundamental difference between DLC and an expansion to the core game. With DLC, it’s like Shoultzula says, whoever buys that character has the advantage. If the companies exploit that and put S-tier characters out for cash, then it becomes a ‘pay to win’ sort of game. When you download non-cosmetic DLC like that, you’re essentially playing a different game than your neighbor with no money is playing, which is bad on a competitive level because it causes issues like ‘Oh, Daigo was at a disadvantage because he never played a Fei Long before’ and on a logistical level tournament organizers now have to worry about things like ‘Does this console have all the characters bought on it?’ and ‘Oh no, one of the 360s can’t connect to Live and the DLC isn’t showing up in the game because it’s not authenticated’ and even ‘Huh, does this PS3 have the latest patch for Marvel installed?’
With an expansion like SSF4 or T6BR, you just pop the disk in and everyone’s playing the same game. Johnny Awesome online isn’t going to school you all of a sudden with a character you’ve never even seen before. Evo isn’t gonna have a scandal because JWong beat some random kid in MvC3 with Sent and the patch wasn’t installed, causing the random kid to have a fit because Sentinel didn’t have 9 million health ‘like he’s supposed to’.
That, I believe, is the real crux of the argument. Not the tired old ‘Horse Armor!? FOR TWO DOLLARS!?’ argument that’s been around for years and has proven ineffective at actually resolving anything. Yea, I was one of those bitching along with the crowd, but ultimately financially it comes down to three choices - Get the DLC legitimately and contribute to the problem, illegitimately download the DLC and contribute to the problem, or go without and remain unsatisfied, still contributing to the problem.
Too much… truth,
Summed up very nicely.