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What’s deceiving? Don’t understand it, google it. It’s not like I’m fucking with words, I’m being pretty straightforward and just showing my work. : P
Alright, assuming I’m “tricking you guys” or some crap. How can you prove it? I assure you, if you take a logic class, you’ll see I’m NOT fucking with you guys and I’m doing everything by the book. People don’t understand logic terms and I apologize, but I’m stating them because they are what they are man.
Wtf…do you not understand? The statement that they were actually asian sticks/cabinets, is being put into question.
What are you asking for exactly? Random matches of top players from each country in question? You should know who some of the top players are in kof.
What? If the premises of your arguments are false, then your argument is useless.
Nice strawman.
And on top of that, we weren’t even talking about WHY they have the better metagame…but rather in what ways they do. Not only did I mention some examples, but if you’re actually educated in the game (which it seems like you’re not), you can find out yourself from watching.
Clearly missed the point of the claim. DG’s initial claim of the cabinet being Japanese was wrong, and no one claimed it to be true (Dune said it was false, Lecter didn’t really know what DG was talking about, the video of the cabinet itself didn’t look japanese). Then DG backpedaled saying it was asian…but even that is being questioned.
Fail, losing to someone doesn’t mean you’re worse than them. Losing to a scrub doesn’t mean you’re a scrub.
So you’re saying that if someone’s good and loses in a TOURNAMENT to a scrub, they’re not a scrub? Then what kind of player are they if they couldn’t win against someone who sucks consistently? Also, what’s your REASON! YOU’RE GIVING ME NOTHING YOU IDIOT! Also, it’s not a strawman cause you’re basically stating that the Japanese are better at “Yomi” cause they’re Japanese. If you look back, you can translate it that way, and THAT is the fallacy. You stated the Mexican simply don’t use “Yomi” in KOF and have no Yomi compared to the Japanese. HASTY GENARLIZATION! YOU’RE MAKING A GENERALIZATION ABOUT TWO THINGS! I’M NOT MAKING YOUR ARGUMENT ANY WORSE THAN IT IS! THIS IS LITERALLY ALL YOU DO!
“That’s not this”
“That’s not that”
“That’s not there”
Emil, I hope you die you fucking loser… I really hope you do cause someone like you is a waste of life in this World, a lazy piece of shit and a horrible thinker. It’s only sad that you drag every other person that follows the bullshit you don’t spew… I wish someone would end your life cause the World would be one idiot lesser and just a bit happier… If you go to Japan you dipshit, their rule is whomever wins consistently on a top level is a better player. If you truly disagree, then Japanese are wrong. Daigo doesn’t get top place for “Yomi”, he gets there for winning, nothing more, nothing less. It’s how Japan determines their best players. You provide nothing and you’re a disgrace man… You’re just a disgrace who’s egotistical and have nothing… Sigh Have a nice life and I hope, if Hell exists, you burn in it.
For all the points right now, I’m going to say this, for every person on this forum, for the sake of all of it.
Even if we can’t determine whether the Mexicans are better than Japan right now, it doesn’t mean the Japanese are better than Mexican. I’m gonna not just wait for the tournament where Mexico, Juarez and the top Japanese go at it. Whoever wins, wins. End of story. There is no full truth to whether Japanese or Mexicans are better. Again, don’t care if you follow my words or not, just DON’T LISTEN TO EMIL! LET THE TOURNAMENT DECIDE! THANK YOU!
Not necessarily a scrub. You don’t even have to think about this one and I’m not going to bother explaining it to you.
Because it’s common sense, I’m not going to spell out things like 1+1=2 to you.
It’s a strawman because I didn’t say that.
They have great yomi, better yomi than the Mexicans. There’s a couple of reasons for it but that wasn’t really what we were discussing. We were discussing reasons why Japanese are better, and one of them is better yomi.
No I didn’t.
Damn, you really trolled us good.
I say Arabs are better, now shut the fuck up.
Still want to see siberianhusky vs emil first to 10 on GGPO. If SH can’t play the game for shit, he clearly is in no position to evaluate the level of yomi, metagame, mindgames etc. etc. at all.
While, whatever your opinion of Emil, he kicks the asses of a large part of the SNK community here on SRK for free. Which means he’s at least a lot more qualified to evaluate Mexican and Japanese players than I am.
So what about it Siberianhusky? jump onto #snkplaymore, contact emil, first to 10 gogogogogogo!
But Phoenix- In SH’s defense, you are gonna sit here and tell me online= offline? I’ve played KOFXII online, beaten Americans and Mexicans and can tell you simply it was the most horrid shit I’ve touched in my life, I felt like I was fighting underwater, and you are gonna tell me this is how people are judged? Off online matches?
I myself can beat 97% of SRK for free IN PERSON myself, As I was telling Necro, I play one way in America because simply I can get away with it (even in tournaments), while I play completely different in Mexico or vs. Mr. KOF or the 3% that force me to have to play to my full potential (in KOFXI in Mexico at least).
I mean if I can get away with my starter team and a certain style in tournaments, no need to go to the “Bag of tricks” or my hidden backups or other things I use when I have to!
Clear example of this is in KOFXI tournaments, my starter team of Kula, Gato, Duo Lon (L), I’ll beat 98% of SRK with that team alone, in THAT ORDER…but in Mexico or vs. the 2% that give that team problems, I go to my backup strats, which is Kula, Duo Lon, Gato (L), or Gato, Duo Lon, Kula (L), which is specifically in case Team #1 doesnt work.
But should I go to those if Team #1 is working??? Uh no…so I don’t have to play my best at all!!! I can get away with the fact that most simply aren’t accustomed to Ciudad Juarez, Mexico style KOFXI play without breaking most of a sweat! (I’m just calling it like it is guys!)
I say Siberian you tell Emil the same thing as everyone else don’t let him get off the hook either-
- I’ll play you online if you play me offline that way we can see it from A COMPLETE POV, not just some online POV where we don’t know if Emil is cheating or whatever because we aint there to watch him play.
He can swear up and down he doesnt cheat etc but you guys aint there so how can you seriously convince me this isn’t the case?
YOU CANNOT.
The only way to settle these types of things is to do it both ways, which if Emil cannot agree to (Cowards like him don’t), then he’s already lost the battle!! I’ll even get SiberianHusky to Canada to play you in person Emil just to prove to SRK just how much of a COWARD you are…
You won’t play even him in person, you are too scared of being exposed for the PHONY YOU ARE…
That’s what it is, he’s too scared of not being able to back up YEARS of shit talk he’s set himself up for…
THE END.
-DG
OK now, let’s not make assumptions based on what little we know about something. For the record, KOF XII shouldn’t even be regarded as a KOF since hardly any KOF fundamentals exist in the game and I think we can all agree on this 
. As for it’s online, it uses an input delay based system which GGPO is the exact opposite of. No one said online = offline, but do you honestly want to tell me that you can’t gauge skill through online play? That’s all it is. It isn’t settling a grudge match or anything, but rather seeing how good someone potentially is. And please don’t try to rebut this with “well people can play differently with lag” (which is a problem that’s easily solved) or something to that effect. The same people that roll around like dickheads online do the same thing offline. People should always be playing to the best of their ability no matter who, where, or what they’re playing.
Sure Anakron you can judge skill to a small degree by online just like you can to a small degree watching match vids sure, but I’m just saying you cannot be 100% certain of something judging based on online just like you cannot based off match vids. The only way to be 100% certain of anything is for it to happen in person.
As I told Necro, if you look at Mr. KOF on match videos many say he looks regular, nothing impressive. But if you were to dare take that and assume that means he’s regular, that will cost you as Kane9999 will admit, he saw him on match videos and thought he was not that strong, and after seeing him in person he admits that was his mistake!!!
Same with Alexis, Khannibal thought by match videos and a previous play vs. him 4 years ago that he wasn’t that strong, only to take that back after Alexis beat Khannibal 7-3 in person!
Match vids can’t show you everything just like online cannot, the best way is in person that’s all I am saying!
Of course offline is the best way to truly see skill. But ESPECIALLY with ggpo whose netcode is amazing (Unlike KOFXII) you can at least get a very good impression. I wouldn’t be taking money matches online either.
But Siberianhusky is having a huge mouth about this game, and he has nothing at all to back it up.
You, Dark Geese, at least have proof that you at least know shit about this game simply because you have match vids of yourself online playing other players who are also not crap. But Siberianhusky? Nothing.
It’d just be a waste of time to go about traveling around just to be let down because he has no skills at all.
Comparing actual gameplay vs someone to watching match vids of someone is the fighting game equivalent of comparing apples and oranges. They’re both fruits but they don’t taste the same and they don’t have the same nutrition values either. There are way more things you can draw from your opponent by actually playing them as opposed to watching a video, regardless of whether it’s online or not. You can judge their yomi, which only happens when both players have a strong metagame (people need to stop mixing this up with mindgames) or even the lack thereof. I don’t disagree with you about offline being the best since this is pretty much indisputable but I believe you’re misunderstanding the clarity of online play.
Alright. Well, assuming this, shouldn’t the tournament online players test their abilities offline too with top players? I mean, nobody can truly keep track of who’s better than who as far as top or best, you know? I’m just saying, I’d prefer the information given on Daigo or Fuudo compared to some guy that’s online. If you can get some of these guys to play at SBO and fight some of the top players, I’d be happier, you know?
Well, the problem is that whether I lose or not is irrelevant. I don’t pull this information from my ass "^^. I get them from reliable sources and the stuff that I usually do pull out is either stuff I use more as a way of determining information.
Example - Emil thinks it’s a glitch that you can’t grab after crossing over and such. It isn’t a glitch because it was most likely PROGRAMMED into the game. I’m pretty sure people realize how gay it would be if you were forced to block and you can then buffer a command grab on that, which is why they wouldn’t allow such a thing. That’s one of my reasonings. Do you think it’s unsound and invalid? Your thoughts? But the rest of the information I get from people and ask around.
Who has better Yomi is somewhat an opinion and somewhat “fact”. I thought was impressive when Abraham did an anti-air with Clark to make himself seem punishable and then used Frankensteiner to punish.
Now, from my understanding, in the Japanese video they tried to confuse each other by making them try to think they were gonna hyperhop or do a ducking kick. It was quite constant too and chances are they were trying to throw off their opponent by doing this.
I knew it. I’m the greatest Shine
“So you’re saying that if someone’s good and loses in a TOURNAMENT to a scrub, they’re not a scrub? Then what kind of player are they if they couldn’t win against someone who sucks consistently? Also, what’s your REASON! YOU’RE GIVING ME NOTHING YOU IDIOT!”
It’s COMMON SENSE? That’s your REASON? It’s breaking a RULE and it’s COMMON SENSE? If “That’s common sense” is your only reason without even knowing WHY it’s “common sense”, then you’re the idiot. “I’m not gonna try to explain 1+1 to you.” Or you CAN’T prove 1+1 to me? So, show me oh wise and mighty! Where is this common sense that you can’t even seem to explain!
This is true, but even if someone else of a different country has better “metagames” does that mean they are gonna beat that person in a real match?
This is why you play the game!! The prettier looking player doesn’t always win! If that was the case BAS wouldve won CVS2 even here every year, the flashiest looking player in every tournament would win, and Justin Wong wouldn’t be winning here because hes not the flashiest prettiest player!
It all boils down to matchups, experience, exposure and adaptation. Online at best can give you an IDEA of this, just like match videos, sure it can give you an idea, I mean I study match vids of my opponent to prepare me for them, but I am aware they may have different stuff for me by the time I play them, or there may be things I dont understand like why they aren’t doing XYZ move may be because their opponent is gonna punish them for it!
What may seem to be the obvious in match videos doesn’t appear that way in person, in person then you see AHHHHHHHHHH he didn’t do this because of this!
Things clear up when you see in person, your questions get answered! Also to my students or people that ask me for advice I do recommend online if they dont have any other way to play.
Hell I recommend it to MightyMar since he can only play me once per week, and I can see where the combination of playing vs. me and playing on his own/online is helping.
I am aware not everyone can travel all the time like I can I know this, but they have to understand that you see and learn more about life in general offline than online.
Phoenix- It wouldnt be a waste of money if Emil actually agrees to play in person, because I’ll go with him, and I’ll take Mr. KOF with me!!!
Bingo.
Way to prove you have no idea what you’re talking about. What ‘tournament online players’ are you even talking about? Online is casual play. Top players who play in tournaments play on GGPO often too. I saw Hammer playing yesterday with Tayokaki. A lot of the same dudes that you see in match videos are the same dudes you could run into online. I know for a fact that almost every Japanese player in the Fatal Fury Special room in GGPO could be seen in Mikado match videos. There are really strong random guys out there but it’s their prerogative to play in tournaments or not. People play the game at high levels for whatever reason. Just because they do doesn’t mean they want to or have to go to tournaments.
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You’re fucking kidding me, right?
Except, it is a glitch, and he’s already explained this to you. Let’s see, who would I think is right? Someone with a furry handle or someone that’s been playing KOF for years and is pretty much a KOF encyclopedia and can possibly even tell me who won which tournament in whatever year?
I didn’t say this, but if you’d like to assume that then be my guest. Match videos don’t give you anything whatsoever unless you understand the game at a high level first. The higher your knowledge of a game is, the more you can get from a match video. You learn matchups and get experience from playing online the same you do offline. You’re still playing the same game.
If you understand the game, there literally is no difference as long as you’re still watching game play. If you don’t understand something that happens in a match video you wont magically understand it if you see it offline… Playing is a different story though.
That is true Anakron I completely agree with you 100% on that. As I say I’ve seen it time and time again, people underestimate someone based on match videos or say they look “easy” to beat or “not that good” or “nothing impressive” and then change their minds when it happens in person.
So though you may not believe that way, I know for a fact there are many out there that believe this!
Good to see you aren’t one of those that think that way!
So, by proving nothing, Emil is a KOF Encyclopedia? He’s not stating anything, also, THAT’S NOT A GLITCH! He explained it loud and clear what happens. Still not a glitch. If you’re forced to block and can’t grab them because of it, it’s not a glitch. He said that “You can’t grab someone after you do a jumping blowout”. You’re on autoguard when you block it, so if you do that every time, that’d make Command Grabs really gay in the game. It’s part of the programming too and there has not been an actual glitch stated. Also, Emil explaining something would have him required to actually EXPLAIN something.
Also, that was really uncalled for and is ad hominem, don’t call me a furry handler again. First off, Emil didn’t prove anything about him being a “KOF Encyclopedia”. It’s funny, nobody here has proven Emil’s proven anything, they just AGREED with him. Also, don’t just say “You don’t know what you’re talking about” AND END IT THERE! YOU GIVE A REASON! PROVE ME WRONG! I’M NOT WRITING THIS CRAP TO BE WRITE! IF I’M WRONG, I’M WRONG BUT AT LEAST PROVE IT! EMIL HASN’T DO ANYTHING OF THE SUCH, SO WHY WOULD YOU TAKE HIS WORD OVER ANYONE WHEN HE HASN’T DONE ANYTHING?!
I watch a man sitting on his lazy chair and a person walking. “Hey! If you stub your tie, it hurts. I will test this by asking others.”
Lazy chair “He’s wrong.”
Walking man “Why?”
Lazy Chair “Cause you can just tell.”
That’s literally what’s happening right now.
OMG, do you not read? I said the command grab will whiff, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE OPPONENT WAS PUT INTO BLOCK ANIMATION OR NOT. Not that this is even important, because in Oogosho’s case, he hit the jCD anyway right before landing but even if he didn’t do any attack in the air(thus opponent not being in a blocking animation), the grab would still whiff. It’s common knowledge in Japan.
Oogosho jumped in because as I said, when he decided to jump, he was spaced right, but then Billy did f+A right before the jump, so Oogosho’s trajectory was off.
You don’t read, you don’t understand.
The proof that you’re looking for is impossible to provide for the kind of topic we’re discussing. I can explain to you ways Japan is better (which I already did), then YOU have to use your limited understanding to watch the match videos (or playagainst those playersr) and notice what I’ve told you. There isn’t really any other way.
Since you can’t understand how common sense it is that someone who loses to a scrub isn’t necessarily a scrub…then I’ll spell it out for you for the last time since I don’t want you to get too much out of this trolling rampage.
Anyone can lose to any player, especially if there’s very few matches that are played between the two players (like in a tournament). Obviously one match(or even a couple) isn’t definitive to determine who is a better player (if you’re only looking at the score), though you can probably determine it through noticing which players have better awareness, reactions, knowledge, execution.
That’s an accident though. There were multiple matches and he got beaten multiple times. He also got beat on a top level in a tournament match, not a casual, due to the circumstances, it’s less of “common sense” than you may think, but at least you provided a reason this time. Was THAT so hard man? Was it? I really want to know. If you can give reasons, I’m happy, but some reasons you give are bad and just generalizations, no offense. This one wasn’t so bad because accidents aren’t completely false all the time. You could be right, maybe he wasn’t playing well for some reason or another. But all I ask is give more reasons, try to prove things in a better matter dude.
Also, sorry if I misinterpreted what you said about the glitch, I actually have trouble comprehending what’s being said unless restated or reconstructed in a manner understandable to myself. It’s a bit of trouble I have, so thank you for taking the time to re-explain it to me. Also, don’t take the arguments with values such as
All things this and that are this
as if they are completely truthful, they’re if statements. It’s just stating that if this is true or not, then this is true. It’s just for the purpose of assumption. Don’t take it too literally.