I remember Daigo was just a good-to-average GGXX player, but people was impressed with him because he wasn’t too combo-friendly and spam a lot of Vulcanic Viper with Sol to the extend that people starting to call this “Umehara Viper”. Also of course the “Umehara ga kimeta” video was another factor of his fame at GG.
hardly since his performance on the game by the time that he played it was kinda poor compared to the real good players of the game at that time, if he was the best he would be placed high on the tournaments of gg, thing that he never did, so i fail to see the logic behind of saying that he was the best when he never won a gg tournament on japan or for the matters, placed high on one
And before someone says it no Daigo wasn’t that hot at VS, he had an alright Phobos and Bishamon and his Jedah really stood out because he was one of the few.
No one in Japan is consistent, especially at the highest levels. Results in Japanse tournaments are usually fairly random, due to their traditional format. Single elimination and 1 game. It’s REALLY hard to be consistent by those standards since anything can happen in one game. Single games have never told who was better, and it definitely proves nothing in the game of GG. Daigo has won GG Evo, and there many killers from Japan in attendence. And he beat them all handily, so that does count for something. Let’s face it, he was the best at the time. Sure the way he played sucked and an utter perversion of how Guilty Gear would shape up to be at higher levels. But unfortunately high level play in Japan wasn’t quite there yet, and we sure as hell wasn’t close here in the US
I thought it was pretty much a well-known fact that Daigo was beastly at VS. When he was playing regularly, himself and Nuki were considered to be among the best at the game. They dropped it and started playing CvS2. After they encountered Sako, Nuki started playing again.
I heard Wong didn’t even make it out of pools for Tekken 6 in Evo2k10, but then again he must of stopped playing alot after 2007.
True, but I think Armada and Dr. PP are the top of SSBM
I remember hearing in some Avoiding the Puddle podcast that Aris was considered the best in the world at SC2 in 2004. If I could find the matches I’ll post them. Your right about Kuroda being better than KO though.
Really?
Not one kanye west joke?
whatever dude, keep thinking that daigo was the best on gg when he played the game (just the thought is laughable), im not gonna waste my time trying to change what do you think because its clear that for you its imposible that daigo wasnt good at the game even when it true
He still dominated everyone else for 6 years. Though he is not the best now, he already marked himself in the history book.
Oh and I say Tomo doesn’t really count before because he Dominated, but not for very long. 2-3 years, in my opinion, would not truly count. The constant sf2 patches didn’t really help either, because there was never an established version of a game for people to discover things until ST. Not knocking his dominance, nor am I saying it didn’t happen. I am just saying that 2-3 years isn’t enough for me to consider him the greatest of all time.
I’m just saying. Even throughout the 6 years, he got beat often. He wasn’t a godbody that can never lose. KDJ and PC tore that ass out in the MLG days.
I haven’t seen any of his VS matches, but he did mention that he preferred Vampire Hunter in an interview a couple years back (called it his favorite fighting game of all time, in fact). Maybe he just didn’t take VS seriously or maybe you’re judging his play in the context of 2011. People have had 14 years to break the game down at this point. That’s a lot of leveling up.
I’m gonna say Daigo, for many reasons, but honestly who has his own medley xP
Yeah… I’m having fun. But Daigo does have more than 14 years of results to back him up.
We need to get the GYT crew into this, we need statistics rather than personal opinion only.
Even in Hunter he was just good not the best. Oboro was better than him definitley back in the day.
Hard to say who the best at KoF games are but I’d have to say the big names would be Oz, Xaoihai, Oogoosho, 777, and Alexis.
In that, I’m going back a bit further and want to mention, he was pretty decent at Tekken 5, circa Evo 2k7. I don’t think he cared enough to be good at Tekken after that.
Off topic, how’s Sanford at Tekken? I heard through the grapevine that he made Tekken his main.
There’s no realistic way to measure who’s the best but Alex Valle is mentioned in every podcast when someone oldschool is interviewed.
“Yeah, back then there was no one I could EVER beat except one guy in Southern Hills Golfland…” Wanna take a guess who they were talking about? Surprisingly only Alex Valle said Watson.
There’s lot of tribute videos out there! Hell even I have one (although I’m mostly losing :P)
One problem with gauging the skill of Japanese players is that the level of play for a game tends to continue increasing after the fighting game mainstream ceases to care about it. BAS and Daigo were both at some point top A3 players, but the level of A3 play in the mid-2000s after they stopped playing was obviously higher. Likewise CvS2, can we say for sure that BAS, Tokido, Ino, Daigo etc are better than cats like Dari, Deshigitsune and Rai?
I think strong fundamental players tend to dominate early in a game’s life because at that point the game is more about generalisable skills. As more game-specific elements come to the fore we see players who are maybe not as strong fundamentally (though obviously still very strong) but excel at certain game-specific skills start to dominate.
Since someone asked about KOF98, I think this is one game where the best players are pretty inarguable; Dakou and Xiaohai. They dominate everyone in China and in their rare appearances in Japan they dominated there too.
both wrong, I think. I don’t follow the brawl scene but for Melee, Ken is not part of the scene anymore and his prime could not touch Mango/PP/Hungrybox/Armada these days. Mango is considered to be the best, but he hasn’t been trying or something lately. He has yet to be beat in a tourney set in the past 2-3 years unless he’s hungover or something stupid. Isai is still the best at SSB64.
Also, you don’t care who is best in SCIV, just SCII? I think it might be Scud or Malek, both dominant French Ivy players.
Honestly who’s fucking with Tokido? Being that good in every damn fighting game he plays. Remember how he bodied the US at its own game (MVC3). Its Tokido. Now close this thread.