That goes without saying. But talking about stuff based on numbers is match better than hypothesizing about players most people have never even seen play.
In any case, these players’ performance elsewhere typically mirror the data EVO results. The results on nohoho’s page also put Daigo, Tokido and Nuki as the 3 players with the most placements.
Sanford, Yipes, and Duc are all comparable to Justin’s skill.
As for overall, Tokido, Eddie Lee, Daigo, or Justin…
Basing this on their overall knowledge in multiple games.
Justin has taken something in almost every major Capcom games, King of Fighters, Tekken 5, and even misc. games like Mario Kart at Evo.
Tokido has taken a lot of games as well, but I never really followed up with him, other than knowing that he’s really good in a lot of games.
Daigo in most Capcom games, Guilty Gear, etc.
Eddie Lee in almost anything before MvC2.
Wong sucks at Tekken and KoF, it’s just that their isn’t much competition in those games here Well wasn’t in Tekken’s case and daigo is not that good at GG once again.
Lol. Isai is god at 64. Too bad he stopped playing Melee in what? 07? 08 M2K was probably the best player. But you forgot Mango too. Dude is just good at so many characters. Nigga was hosting cats with Mario, with ease.
Anyone who wasn’t around in Cali for SF2 will always question Tomo’s dominance. It’s only natural. In a day where we have live feeds and recordings, it’s hard for some cats to rely on stories on a game that wasn’t “figured out”.
07 and SBR Yipes is still my favorite MvC2 player tho and IMO the GOAT.
Fair enough.
id have to say daigo cos hes even won major events for all the games people say he sucks in.
perhaps, but according to interviews from the players from that era, they had to practice 8 hours a day everyday to be competitive. While they didn’t have frame data and shit, they figured out just about everything that they needed to do.
So glad someone mentioned N-Otoko. That dude is amazing, especially when you consider that he plays Venom. IMO Venom takes some of the most attention to spacing and general awareness of any character. Anyone that can play Venom at that level deserves mad respect. Whether that makes him the best or not is arguable, but its damn impressive.
“of all time” is probably jwong. if we are going by records then I think he won more in different games. I dont see daigo winning 10k in…mortal kombat.
Just made some corrections.
Not to pick on you, but I have to ask what do you mean by “figured out”, cos I honestly do not know. What did he knew that others could not do, or what technique is now known that has changed the gameplay that was not known by then? CPS-1 chains? No. Renda cancels? No. Traps? No. Invulnerability of certain attacks? No. Seriously, I fail to see it. SF2 is known to be a game about the basics, and he just happened to be better at it.
I see people talking about older games they have never ever played competitively as it they were known and simple (OMG), and they don’t even know if Ryu or Ken’s tatsus can go through this or that move. Who can face the old players and beat them? Anyone, ever? You see, one can not just play some recent hit-confirm fighter and think he is big shit, just cosa there are tons of tutorials all around. And still one will still get trounced by the absolute best players. There is a reason why we call a certain guy here who rocked at CE and stopped playing since them “master”, even if he is not very good in ST and even refuses to play confirm fighters, and much more in case of a guy like Tomo, or even other tops from those days, such as Shaeffer, Kuni or Watson.
Edit: just to summarize, yeah, people will question that. But I mean the main reason is, put simply, that they do not really know what they are talking about. I noticed the quoted message had "'s in it, it does not mean it is his view, it seems the general view.
That is what I was actually trying to get across
And still. I think Ken is not the greatest of SSBM. The whole game changed so much in the years he was gone. It got a billion times more faster overall different.
because evo doesnt count for games that arent capcom games :P, you cant compare the quality of competition on evo and sbo, not to put down the usa gg scene, but lets be real, the lack of matchup experience and variety of players hurt a lot the chances to get better at the game, not to mention that sometimes some players doesnt have solid fundamentals, something that daigo has, but that it wouldnt be enough if he face someone that has better experience with the game
its like the mvc2 scene of my country we have good players and one that has won practically all the tournaments here, but when he went to evo the last time that it had mvc2 he got the 38th spot, wich imo is a great thing considering that it was his 1st participation, but wasnt something to be surprised since a lot of players have way more experience with the game just because there is a larger number of competition
Daigo, Valle, and Wong.
All 3 were the best in the world in a game at some point of their career.
Daigo is the best in the world in SFIV, was probably the best in the world at GGXX when he was playing as well
Valle was hands down the best A2
Wong was the best in MVC2
Keyword is the best, not one of the best. I would say Wong had the longest run in MVC2, dominating the game pretty much 5 years straight. Valle dominated A2 for it's entire lifespan, but the game lifespan wasn't that long. Daigo has dominated SFIV since the first month, but he did not show as dominant of a performance in SSFIV (losing countless majors). However he has returned to form in AE. It's hard to argue that he's is the best in the world, with few and very few people who come close to taking that crown.sarcasm i hope
I always had the idea that “the greatest fg player of all time” is some unknown guy from a very poor third world country… believe me, here in my country (Chile) there are still people who spend their lives on game centers every day as a method of reality escape. Just for example i remember in 2006 i saw a guy on a game center who played on those Chinese illegal MAME cabinets and beats every fucking fighting game of the planet without problem, i remember he beats Daraku Tenshi without getting hit. Everyone who tried to stop him lose.
No sarcasm, but he was the best. Sure, later in GG lifespan other players would come to be better. But in his time he was the best. You can’t take that away from him. Many in the GG community don’t give Daigo his props, because he didn’t play the game properly. Yeah, he didn’t play the game properly but at the time in which he played his gameplay was the highest at the time.
considering that you believe that the combos and mixups are comebacks mechanics im not surprised
I was trying to make a point, but of course I was attacked before I could make it. And at a point I really didn’t care about the discussion anymore. Anyway, that’s neither her nor there. I’m not saying Daigo is the greatest GG player to ever live, I’m just saying he was the best in his time.
Daigo.