Who actually does low damage?

[Spyridon]

Looks like more ranks/tiers may be needed imo. Only 5 chars in the lowest tier but 20+ in the highest tier. Would be more informative if it had a more even spread, no?

[KingofSarus]

Why don’t you do the tier list like this DJ:

• 700k or higher
• more than 500k
• less than 500k
• 300k or lower

There’s too many “trucks.” lol

If you get the right combo, Skrull can reach 500K before using a hyper.

My Capity nigga, Nastyy.

I’ll definitely take his word.
I don’t see anyone rocking Skrull, but him.

[Ketchy_Kech]

you forgot Ryu bro! hes pretty diesel nao :]

[KingofSarus]

Ryu should definitely be up there.

Dat Super Saiyan swagger.

[MysticRay]

Pretty sure I posted a combo that does 420k for Shuma assistless. And with an assist it does 480k-ish
He’s solid damage

[Gimpyfish62]

there needs to be more “tiers” in this damage before super tier list… why is this damage before super? some characters (like lets say hulk just for example) have extremely damaging supers that make these combos do a lot more than lets say a corner maximum wesker would do after the combo… obviously resets and the like come into account, but guaranteed damage is guaranteed damage you know?

I dunno - just curious i guess, s’pose sometimes you just don’t have meter shrug

all i know for SURE is that captain america is BUFF.

[jamal313]

high teir- xfactor3 wesker/phoenix

low teir- everyone else

[MysticRay]

there needs to be more “tiers” in this damage before super tier list… why is this damage before super? some characters (like lets say hulk just for example) have extremely damaging supers that make these combos do a lot more than lets say a corner maximum wesker would do after the combo… obviously resets and the like come into account, but guaranteed damage is guaranteed damage you know?

I dunno - just curious i guess, s’pose sometimes you just don’t have meter shrug

all i know for SURE is that captain america is BUFF.

Hits like a grown ass man.

[catbond]

Not sure if this is in keeping with the spirit of the thread but Frank can do 503,400 damage solo in the corner at level 1 off a jump-in :s:

EDIT: It works mid-screen also.

Air :s: , Land , , :d: + , :h: , :d: + :h: , :s: , Super Jump Forward, Air , , :h: xx :qcf: + :l: , xx :qcf: + :l: , , :s: , Land , Wave Dash Forward Twice, Jump Forward , Air :qcf: + :h: (OTG) , Land , :d: + :h: , :s: , Super Jump Forward , Air :h: , :s: , Land , :qcf: + :h: (OTG)

EDIT2: Also ending this combo with Camera still nets you about 503k damage and Level 3 Fank.

[Kaiten92]

Dante can actually get approx 500k without Nini BS.

Midscreen: jH land sMH Stinger BC Volcano jf jH Airplay jH sS Clay Pigeon (2 shots) Prop Shredder sj Hammer Cold Shower xx Stinger BC Air Trick Hammer Volcano OTG xx Beehive, Volcano xx Beehive

does about 499k before the last hit of Beehive and 501.5 if you let the last hit connect

[DevilJin_01]

That’s actually the same combo I do now but I usually get like 488 before super for some reason.

I’ma try to work on the charge shot loops. They’re too fancy to not do and I like the extra meter build.

[Kaiten92]

That’s actually the same combo I do now but I usually get like 488 before super for some reason.

I’ma try to work on the charge shot loops. They’re too fancy to not do and I like the extra meter build.

I think it’s sL that kills the dmg.

[Nini_Heart]

I think it’s sL that kills the dmg.

More like starting with J.H>MH gives a big damage boost

[tastylumpia]

Are we talking about optimized damage or practical damage? There’s a difference between combo video stuff that starts with a st.H with multiple links, and the BnB that 90% of players are using. Also, some characters lack the ability to confirm combos off various neutral situations (anti-air, air-to-air, air/ground throws) which drastically reduces their overall damage output.

[rogueyoshi]

strange is easily doing ~520k without assist or super now (unoptimized)

[DevilJin_01]

Are we talking about optimized damage or practical damage? There’s a difference between combo video stuff that starts with a st.H with multiple links, and the BnB that 90% of players are using. Also, some characters lack the ability to confirm combos off various neutral situations (anti-air, air-to-air, air/ground throws) which drastically reduces their overall damage output.

Talking your best case scenario to land a combo which would be hitting the person while they’re grounded. Long as it’s not Desk hard it’s practical in my eyes.

Most of the people that are in the truck category get similar truck damage off anti airs or air to airs so that’s enough for me. Air/ground throws that convert to combos scale any way.

strange is easily doing ~520k without assist or super now (unoptimized)

Strange Trucking Inc.

[Duck_Strong]

Morrigan and Hsien-Ko for sure deal low damage off standard BnBs. To make things even worse, their attacks cause so much hitstun decay even extending a combo with an OTG assist or wallbounce usually results in an early recovery by the opponent. Hsien-Ko is capable of reaching close to solid damage with a corner gong loop, and Morrigan is capable of hitting truck level damage with a corner specific combo that involves fireballs and flight cancels, but the level of execution to reach it is completely absurd. It also doesn’t help that they don’t come with ground bounce attacks or can’t self OTG outside of supers to help confirm into combos - traits you’ll see most of the characters hitting truck level damage come with.

It’s one thing to make a character geared more towards being an assist-character by making an assist stand out; it’s another to make their point game almost completely invalid when compared to the entire cast. In a game where there are so many ways to deal big damage, it almost seems like extra effort goes into making a character capable of mediocre damage at best.

#of hits does not add to hitstun decay per se (especially if it’s from quick multi-hit moves). All it does is kill damage early on in a combo.

[Noble_Cactus]

#of hits does not add to hitstun decay per se (especially if it’s from quick multi-hit moves). All it does is kill damage early on in a combo.

It’s still a problem for the true low-damage characters in the long run, though. Not contesting you or anything, just saying.

One character I (and a lot of people I assume) know almost nothing about is Jill. I don’t even know her damage output, though for soem reason I have the feeling it’s pretty low. Does she even have resets to mitigate that low damage somewhat?

[DevilJin_01]

It’s still a problem for the true low-damage characters in the long run, though. Not contesting you or anything, just saying.

One character I (and a lot of people I assume) know almost nothing about is Jill. I don’t even know her damage output, though for soem reason I have the feeling it’s pretty low. Does she even have resets to mitigate that low damage somewhat?

Jill has broken ass 4 corner MVC2 style mix ups (MVC3 Magneto essentially lost his 4 corner stuff). Instant Overhead in front, low in front, Instant overhead in back or low in back. She is about every mix up you ever want in a character. She even has a freaking Yun/Yang style command grab that can link into combos. You literally have to be a psychic to block her down for more than a couple seconds and that’s before you add in assist+port stuff that will open anybody up.

Jill is one of those characters that can practically do 200 to 300k to you, and then just reset you until you end up taking like 700 to 800+K before super.

I would imagine her damage can get up to 450+ with assists. She’s not a super high damage character but that’s because her mix up is broken good.

[AceKillah]

Yea Ryu does hit like a grown ass calm Asian man. I vote we move Thor up to Godly since it seems like they buffed his damage. Dude can get about 620k anywhere on screen assist-less