I’ll try those, I had been wondering if higher to lower might be a good way to do it.
It depends on the distance and the character ur fighting, but gernally speaking I recommend a simple FP-MP rekka string as it’s usually the safest option. If u do the jap towards the end, hesitate a bit to catch the opponent as they will usually be looking to attack after the second rekka. It isn’t always safe if u become to predictable, but usually it wil catch most players off guard.
I figured the Fei vs. Rog matchup would end up in Rog’s favor more often than not. Thanks for the help guys!
So now that we seen Sirlin’s Fei Long in the Evo tourney, what does everyone think of Fei Long now?
I think he represented Fei Long pretty well and has sparked some hope for me at least. I was surprised when he got a match on John Choi. I was REALLY surprised when he stuck with Fei after Choi took the other match. I was like, “Oh man, this is where he counter picks.” I think he could have knocked Choi in the losers bracket if he didn’t miss his Rekka strings. Twice when he had him in the corner, and twice when he blocked Choi’s Jab DP. That’s free Rekka damage right there!
He looked like he threw out alot of CW which Choi caught on and was punishing accordingly.
What I don’t know is whether or not he used Fei throughout the entire tourney?
I am sort of impressed. They said he used fei for most of the tourney, funny he didn’t try harder with hawk. Lol he didn’t use him at all. However, it was shown that fei still has to work too hard, and even landing those CW isn’t that great. Very little damage, and now extremely bad recovery.
Saying that though, sirlin did show that fei can do it, it just seems like its a very uphill battle.
How did fei do against o.sagat, being that o.sagat wasn’t even an option anymore.
Sirlin didn’t really play bad IMO, I just don’t really think there was much fei could have done in this situation. CW’s r the only real way to get in, and while sirlin did mess on some oppurtunities I don’t really think there was a lot fei could do to overcome this match. I guess it was a good showing, but it was what I expected and it proves my case that fei is and always will be a low tier.
Low tier enough to be in Top 8 :razz:
Which displays Sirlin’s technical skill at playing the game is probably better than his balancing abilities :wgrin:
I kid, I kid. Fei’s fun, and good job Sirlin for making it to the top. Because you can take a lesser regarded character and pilot him (or her, yay Cammy rep!) to a top 8 doesn’t mean that character is worth higher standings; only that you are that much better for knowing your character’s subtleties. Fei’s clearly better in several important ways, and lost out in a few others, simple as that.
It seems at this point Fei players are just looking for reasons to complain.
What the hell do you want him to be? Top?
I don’t know if any of you heard Seth Killian talking about Fei before Sirlin came up, but he said pretty much every version of Fei that they tried was pretty much the best character in the game until his changes were boiled down to that.
And I agree with Shari. The fact that Sirlin used mostly Fei to make it to the top 8 and won with him proves pretty brutally that there has been some improvement (even if its a tiny bit) in Fei. I wanna see another Fei player fight like that against Choi.
Please, consider this…
Saying “I wish Fei had xxx back” or “why exactly did xxx move get changed” does not equate to the following:
-Wanting him to be broken, godlike, or even top tier
-Saying that he hasn’t noticeably improved
-The poster of said quote being totally ignorant to what Sirlin has written about Fei Long’s development for HDR
We naturally want characters we’ve been used to playing to be as competitive as possible, so when we’re used to something that has been put on record as being not overpowered suddenly being nerfed, we’d like a straight answer as to why that was done. Being told that it’s because “he was broken in playtesting” over and over doesn’t consider several key steps in his tweaking process that contain the same old versions of the moves that were just fine. (See Fei Long, Version 1.)
When he could juggle flame kicks at end of super, CW at all strengths through fireballs at will, even farther rekka range than in HDR, and and improved super that’s really easy to charge, along with his easier CW motion AND link from it to fierce x3 rekkas, he was broken, absolutely. We all agree, this was just…wow, overkill on tuning him. Sirlin wanted to eliminate that CW >> cl.fp >> 3x rekka combo as a possibility, which is totally understandable. I think maybe it was a few too many frames were added (one or two would have sufficed instead of the five he received), but his reasoning was sound.
Short flame kick getting nerfed recovery isn’t like Cammy or Boxer’s safe loops being removed, because he can’t hold that kind of pressure in the first place. (Yep, even in ST in the hands of people who could pull of his CWs like Daigo shoots Ryu fireballs.) Hell, Fei experts like Jumpsuit were even against adding recovery to this, that should tell you something. Look at how much more brutally efficient Ken is with jab dragon punch and chaining moves off his faster hurricane kicks, and look at Fei’s move set. Ken can have more efficient, space-closing moves, but Fei Long can’t? I don’t want to argue, just some better answers.
Being a 4 out of 10 is much better than being a 3, but what if it could have easily been a 5? (Hell, just ask Dictator!) Sirlin just displayed in great fashion how he succeeded in compressing the tiers a bit…but there’s always room to improve.
meh.
the only useful upgrade to fei in hdr was longer rekkas and easier cw motion. the invincible frame cw does nothing for what it was meant for, aka the fireball trap. anyone who knows their zoning can walk up for free and punish. flame kick juggles after cw… so what? with practice its just as easy to get another cw juggle or use your super. maybe it wont be that bad if the cw priorities weren’t so low, they lose to just about everything in the air. fair enough, if fei had something added, something has to be removed to balance, but damn, the flame kick? i’m ok with it not being safe block all the time, but at point blank range he whiffs!
and i’m pretty sure sirlin wanted to remove the cw xx cl.hp loop, and not the 6 hit combo, but if the latter is true, then damn thats silly. it’s like saying, ‘hey, this guy has to try so hard to get in, but if he gets in he’s a killer, let’s not make it that easy’. about the equivalent of taking away tick SPDs.
meh. fei is awesome in hdr, but i could only wish…
It isn’t about complaining or whatever else people have said in this thread, I just find it silly to start claiming Fei is a good character only because Sirlin got top 10 at evo. He still has a bad CW and flame kick,and he still fairs bad agaisnt a overwhealming number of the cast.
I don’t understand Evo, if you don’t think Fei isn’t any good, why use him? Isn’t that the whole point of having a main? Because you think he/she is good?
R.Hawk gets bashed a lot, but I’m still standing by him. I’m still stomping on most of my competition because I know how awesome he is, and how awesome he has always been. Hell, I was beating on afro’s Boxer a couple weeks before EVO with Hawk, and not only is that a hard fight for Hawk, it was the f’ing EVO champion. Not trying to brag by any means, but those who see my point, well, yeah…
This argument about what one person can do with Fei (or any character) has always been flawed in my opinion. You cannot sit there and tell me Sirlin is the only person in the nation who can be good with Fei (because he isn’t). He clearly showed that Fei has a better chance against the cast of HDR than he did in ST (including Ryu). It doesn’t matter if it was just because a lot of the cast received nerfs, all of his matches are closer than they were in ST. Again, Jumpsuit and Wes (the guy you said knew nothing about Fei), two of the best Fei’s in the nation, say that overall Fei’s a little better.
Person comes 5th at evo with character = character is still bad, but person is really good.
He came 5th last year with dictator, vega, and some others.
You’re saying he got magically better over one year, and that fei is still bottom?
I just wanna go ahead and state that Fei is a very good character in HD remix if played correctly. Sirlin showed this weekend how he could be played. I know OG’s like Jumpsuit who has an amazing fei long might not like the new tricks but for real he can do alot of damage against alot of different characters. I know other good players like Bruce Askew, Damdai, nohoho, EA Megaman, Thelo, Mongo, Technical Monkey, SweetJV, among others can back what I am saying. I do ok when it comes to fei long matches and I can easily say he is an mid tier at lowest.
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I don’t know, I think its impressive he was able to get up there in top 8 with a character that used to be considered not even viable for tournament play.
I still believe there are a lot of things that are still to be found with HDR Fei, and from here on out I strongly believe he is going to get better as people figure him out.
I’ve also seen in your other post here that you say you win quite a bit with him, I still cant come to the conclusion why you complain so much about him still. How is flame kick bad? I may have not read very much elsewhere but just the thought of flamekick being bad boggles my freaking mind.
Please stop QQ’ing now, before you drown us all with your tears. I want to hear what noises your Fei Long says when he does a flame kick.
Evo’s Fei doing a flamekick WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…
everyone elses Fei doing a flamekick
WATAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…
Cry baby.
I thought Jumpsuit said he feels Fei hasn’t gone anywhere (In the same spot).
That’s pretty much how I feel too.
Plus to me it seems (Online at least) Wes plays Ken alot more than Fei. I’d like to see what he can do. I went 2-1 against his Fei. He played Ken the rest of the match against everyone in the room after that. Is there any footage of him playing HDR Fei?
For the record, I beat entire teams by myself when I used Fei Long in the team tournament. I beat thelo’s honda, ea megaman’s honda, nohoho’s blanka, and damdai’s ken, to name a few. I beat another honda in the singles tournament with Fei Long, and played him in most of my matches throughout the tournament. EA megaman will post a lot of videos showing my fei long versus both him and thelo so you can see how fei long can win that match. He wasn’t even sure honda has advantage in that match after playing me, but I’ll let him speak for himself.
I was able to beat Choi 1 game with Fei Long, though it’s unfortunate I was having some major equipment problems–unable to even do rekka x 1 at the start of rounds, for example. Choi is amazing and a better player than me, but I don’t think that particular match was representative, unfortunately. You guys should check out EA megaman’s footage, and the team tournament footage to see what it looks like when I can perform special moves correctly.
Neither Fei Long nor Cammy have appeared in top 8 ever, if I remember correctly, and if they somehow did, I don’t think they won any games in top 8 until now. Seems like mission accomplished to me. Is it time to ban the poster named Evo yet?
So that’s what happened?
Damn that sucks! That explains those missed rekkas when you connected the first one on Choi. It happened twice!
I take it when you were playing pools you were having trouble as well? It looked like you went to another TV during the stream so we couldn’t see the match. Who was that guy and who did he pick?