I have a girlfriend. I get laid. And still I think feminists are absolutely idiotic.
Quoted for emphasis, and boldtalicizerlined the really critical parts.
Half the people saying their arguments were ignored or improperly countered are the ones doing the ignoring, but sshhh, don’t tell them that, or you’re trying to perpetuate “the myth of male privilege” or some other bullshit the poor oppressed dudes oppressed by fuck all buy into.
Gay people complain less than women do, and they are more oppressed than women are!
I have used my looks to get plenty of free shit from girls. No shame. Too bad ugly people gotta spoil it for the rest of us.
Blaxicans unite.
Without trying to sound racist, I must ask:
Why is it always nerdy white dudes always posting and taking pictures of nonsense like this (the first two pictures)?
I can understand the feminist movement however, even in 2013. It’s just not as big an issue as it was in say… 1996~2001.
Because they are whipped.
Because white ppl are the biggest sheep there are. Always pretending to follow some shit or cause while secretly giving zero fucks about the world. They run every thing this side of China, yet everything is a shithole of soulless mass consumption. Keep up the good work majorities.
I was saying the exact opposite lmao
feminism has nothing to do with oppressing men or women being better than men
at it’s heart, we just want people to stop treating women like they’re something “out of the norm.” that women HAVE to do/act/be certain things AS WELL as men. PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. feminists hate ideas that men have to do and be certain thigs as well as those who spread them.
I usually don’t like a lot of jezebel articles (because a lot of them are actually pretty bad when it comes to feminism, imo), but this one is just a simple list of things that feminism wants/ wants to be understood. and hey, a huge part of it is concerned with men being treated poorly.
go read some goddamn books
Actually, if women just biologically stuck to what they are - caring nurturing mothers - instead of trying to be more like men, the world wouldn’t be in this state of “i hate men, i hate women” nonsense. It’s idiotic. All of this stems from is because women don’t want to be women. They want to be men. Last I checked, you don’t have a penis. You aren’t a man.
And no, women can’t do everything men can. And if they can, why do women always ask men for help? Because guess what? There are somethings that you can’t do.
If there’s a 50lb boulder on your leg, the “I can do it if a man can do it” stance would come into play. Don’t ask for help. Don’t ask for a man’s help. Apparently, that’s degrading. Get your big, muscle arms working and get that rock off your leg.
Oh wait, you can’t do it? You need a man’s help? That’s because biologically, you are not stronger than men. You have traits that you exceed in. Men have traits that they exceed in. At it’s core, no one is equal. No one will ever be. Biology made sure of that.
Using the excuse that “oh, a woman is weaker, and therefore she needs help” is irrelevant, because women are claiming equality are they not? The moment you say that you are weaker, that’s a defining factor that says “we are different. I am weaker than you. We are not equal. I need your help”. I cringe every time a feminist tries to use the weaker argument. Clearly, if you were the same, if you were equal, you wouldn’t be weaker now would you? You wouldn’t be different, right?
Women are just so absurd in thinking that asking a man for help makes them inferior in some way. It’s idiotic. My girlfriend is smarter than I am, I admit that, and I am not ashamed to ask her for help with homework or something along those lines. Because she excels in things where I don’t.
We are human beings. Instead of asking who is better, why not try and find where you excel at as an individual, and help each other out fill in the gaps? Men are women are opposites for a reason. They balance each other out.
I just want to slap some damn sense into feminists.
Men and* women. Typo.
The fact that the opposite is true is also an issue. Hacking off your penis does not a women make.
Lol true
Hey @Specs. No ones but you keeps mentioning the Amazing Atheist, I’m beginning to think you’re the only one in this thread who watches him. I sure as fuck don’t. I’ve seen one episode and I quite out half way through, and it wasn’t even about Femenism, it was about Marijuana. Can you please stop bringing him up, no one else is, it’s not helping your argument, in fact it’s making you look like a dismissive asshole, which I know you’re not.
Ummm no actually I mean legal rights like reproductive rights and and the rights women have in family court…
Really…http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/06/business/economy/06women.html?_r=0
Although even if women didn’t dominate the workforce…what does that have to do with inequality. This may not have been intentional on your part but it almost seemed like you implied that women dominating the workforce was a indication that equality had been achieved…I wont labor this point too much since I’ll just assume it was unintentional but it sounded really funny.
Well here’s the thing…the studies that show women dont face discrimination outside their own choices have a substantial body of peer reviewed research to support them. Often times these sources are objective, either coming from government sources or 3rd parties that would have nothing to gain from"lying"about the results. Now granted I’m not saying all government studies are perfect but in this particular situation, I don’t see a lot of these studies carrying out flawed methodology or using bias sample selection. On the contrary though, the research that typically undermines these findings are almost always carried out dishonestly by groups which seek to enforce a particular narrative. Lets take the case of DV for example…for years the issue of DV was portrayed as sexually directional towards women with very rare instances of male victims. Even when the literature existed to show that DV did in fact effect both men and women equally, it was repressed and censored so that a particular narrative could dominate the cultural landscape. In time the truth eventually came out but the damage had already been done…and unfortunately the "idea"that DV still widely and almost exclusively effects women still exist.
To me, this argument of discrimination is identical because the"contradictory research" and arguments in favor of its existence follows the exact same patterns that I observed with the research and arguments for “DV only effects women”. I mean even the “pay gap” is still widely spewed around in spite of it’s existence having been debunked years ago…so in my view we are living in very dishonest times. Not to mention that the accusation of discrimination is always posited whenever women are underrepresented in some capacity…well except when its things like occupational death unsurprisingly lol. At any ate though, I just personally find it a silly argument to have in this day and age considering we live in a society with numerous precautions to avoid discrimination…precautions that require considerable cost to implement. We live in a society that in a sense, is beginning to build it’s employment on quotas,short listing and affirmative action. I would go more on this point but I would prefer to leave you a video with a guy responding to a feminist who argues in favor of quotas and affirmative action because she employment discrimination exist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgOdYjgAKQQ
This is a classic deflection and I’m so very glad you brought this up cause now it can be refuted once and hopefully not resurface again for the duration of this thread. First off. the factors that explain why women make less money have been explained…again and again and again so lets just remove that argument from this equation because they are completely unrelated. Secondly the explanations behind why women have a advantage in family court have also already been explained but for arguments sake lets just say they havent and this is the first time any of us are reading about it.
Women have a advantage in family court and in particular child custody because of the activism efforts of early feminist nearly a century ago which made default mother custody a legal and societal norm. It was called the"tender years doctrine"and it was campaigned and advocated by the feminist of that era…its been a implemented and applied legal concept ever since. That’s why when feminist like that one with pink hair complain about it, they complain about it while failing to acknowledge that it only ever existed due to the efforts of the early sisterhood. The most amazing thing of all though, is that in spite of feminist like her claiming they don’t like it either…no efforts to reform this law have ever been issued by any major feminist groups. In fact the exact opposite happened when reforms to default mother custody in favor of default shared custody were denied by NOW president Gloria Woods on the basis that it has the potential to leave children with abusers and thus is not in the child’s best interest…and guess who the abusers are in this context;)
Therefore no one is going to give 2 fucks about the insincerity of some feminist pertaining she cares about the disadvantages men face when its because of her ideological dogma that this disadvantage exist in the first place and continues to exist to this very day.
WTF…how is this in anyway similar to my argument?
“Women’s pay” is caused by choices women make of their own free will while family law is a actual legal disadvantage men face. There’s a difference between something which is entirely self imposed and something imposed by the fucking legal system. This is like trying to compare a person born with the inability to walk to someone who can’t temporarily walk cause their too drunk…you can’t draw a comparison to something which happens based off a person’s own judgement and choices to a external force outside their control that effects them on principle of biology. Unless you can provide some clear cut examples of legal discrimination against women in employment then don’t bother making this argument again…and just so you know when I mean legal examples I don’t mean some nebulous assumption of"cultural norms placing boundaries on woman"I mean ACTUAL legal documentation which expressly discriminates and prohibits the inclusion of women.
Well…for one thing the ethnic group of black people and the biological group of women are not the same thing and have not had the same experiences even if they are grouped together. It is quite possible that different demographics can cohabitate the exact some social sphere in spite of having completely unrelated problems and experiences. Now granted I know this wasn’t a point you were trying to make but using the"affirmative action helps blacks too"line as a premise to validate and somehow rationalize the opinion that women "dont have it better overall"is in 2 words…deceptive and sick. It’s sick because your comparing women to a group that has actually been oppressed and mistreated historically and its deceptive because inclusion doesn’t always equate to identity. What I mean by that is that the inclusivity of women into initiatives that seek to help members of society that face or have faced legitimate legal discrimination doesnt in itself act as a confirmation to your fetish (and a few other people on here too) that women have such terrible,miserable lives on par with the groups they are presented alongside with…in fact it could speak to just how out of scope and mislead people really are in connection to women’s status in society. As a example…ya wanna know how out of sync our perception of women’s status in society really is?
Apparently climate control and global warming are now also"women issues"…just like black people’s problems are supposedly interchangeable with women’s problems it now seems that the climate for the fucking planet earth is also intimately if not also interchangeable with women. Bottom line is that I can easily say women have it better even knowing that affirmative action includes "blacks"or that the earth and “climate"includes every living thing…because as stated before"inclusion doesn’t always equate to identity” and more importantly because I’m not a fucking idiot. Also let’s just be clear in saying affirmative action is very selective…for example men are falling behind badly in education especially when it comes to post-secondary institutes yet none of the initiatives or affirmative action policies designed to help minorities or the disadvantaged are enacted to help men when they technically qualify as a minority that could possibly be suffering from disadvantages. Its funny how that works…in education women dominate and no one including the feminist who say they care about men’s problems can give 0 fucks that there isn’t a equal 50/50 representation even when they bitch about in areas where women are underrepresented. Anyways I’m officially done with this thread…the ignorance and stupidity is too much even for SRK standards. I leave off with this…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo
Edit: Just wanted to add 1 final point.
When I said women have it better in developed countries like the states, I provided a number of legal and cultural rights women have over men. I brought up family court,child custody,domestic violence,affirmative action,women only short listing and a few other examples between my replies to goodmourning to the my most recent ones. In comparison the only refutation I got in return was"well I’m still not convinced"or theories that there probably exist a body of conflicting date thus we can never be sure on anything…even domestic violence might still be in favor of men but we just dont have enough solid data (even when we actually do lol). Bottom line is that I think a lot of people posting here just REALLY wanna believe women are constant victims under the siege of a all powerful patriarchy. People here still wanna believe in male privilege without explaining what benefits and rights men have over women that in anyway approaches the scale of the rights and benefits I listed for women. I’m not a a expert on all things either but I’m confident on this issue, so if anything I listed is inaccurate and if there is some special magically privilege men have that I didnt get the memo on then plz correct me and I will gladly concede.
Also on the topic of that jez article…this is the same site that featured a article that jokingly (but not really) talked about putting microchips in baby boys brains so that they could stop date raping. Also that article is a typical feminist response to men’s rights…“we feel your pain and we care about you too, but just shut the fuck up about your issues and we’ll get to them when we decide their important enough but until then we gotta stop rape culture…did you know women are raped every 3 seconds!”…end scene.
I’m bringing him up because I’ve heard him make many of the same unfounded arguments I see here, and yeah, I kinda hope name-dropping him gets under peoples’ skin a bit. I’m being totally dismissive in doing so… but I’m dismissive of anything backed by nothing. Which most of the arguments in favor of men’s “disadvantages” in this thread are; backed by nothing.
So it’s just basically admitting to poor trolling efforts. Cool beans…
It’s “trolling” to point out where an argument holds no water. You heard it here first!
Well i hate to say that this kinda lowers my respect for you a bit. It’s garbage trolling that gets nothing done. You might as well not post at all for all the good pointless name dropping does as it clearly hasn’t had one single effect you intended it to. My positions have been based on what I have looked into, and the things I’ve seen first hand, and you’re only responses have been pointless personal attacks and name dropping a dude no one is talking about.
Respect on SRK?!?!?!
Sorry, we too busy hating on the female master race to ever take the time to respect each other faglet. Faglet?
Why haven’t I used that one before?
Faglet…