You mean like 99% of video games?
Just throwing this out there: you’re not talking to someone known for using evidence-based reasoning all that often.
Gotta love feminists like blufang and specs who completely ignore evidence posted when it’s not in their favor.
So what do you have to say about the following:
http://www.cotwa.info/2013/02/woman-jailed-after-11-false-rape-claims.html
If you go to the website these cases have news behind them, which doesn’t really matter because feminists don’t read when it’s not in their favor.
Seriously, how the hell does one woman have 11 false rape cases. There should be consequences for this kind of bs.
Good lord, the fact the SlutWalk even got MENTIONED is borderline infuriating for how fucking stupid it is. If whoever the hell that chick is that everyone knows that was in crowds completely topless with “still not asking for it” written on her stomach wanted to actually educate, she’d have gone about it one of 100 different and more productive ways. Doing what she did is obviously designed as a plot to try and bait out any “potential rapist men” to making some kind of move so that she, and others like her can blame the entirety of the male population. Fortunately, most guys see the ridiculousness of it and roll their eyes because most real men aren’t fucking stupid and know a man’s mind doesn’t become a rapist’s mind and just go “she’s wearing skimpy clothes, easy target!”.
As for those “I need feminism because” signs, I’m pretty sure my answer’s always been “I don’t need feminism because putting the needs of one gender and group above the needs of another is called discrimination, and is, oh I don’t know…WRONG”.
Agreed on the second part, disagreed on the first. Slut Walk may not have had much to do with feminism, but it absolutely tried to morph into something “sexy”, either overtly, or using sex to generate attention. The name alone is a testament to this.
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I’m sure there are a great many people in attendance who are less clownish, but the same could be said of a gay pride parade; that’s not necessarily someone’s first impression, though.
I’m sure that wasn’t your intention, and my question was rhetorical. My point was that rape is, quite often, it’s own thing; it would be like educating kids to not to steal cars. People who might steal cars either already know it’s bad, won’t hear it, or don’t care. With that in mind, telling people to be careful where they park, lock their doors, and be aware of their surroundings, tends to be more practical advice- even if it is unfortunate that is the case.
Actually:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124272157
And recidivism rates point to the fact that people do tend to have preferred crimes; or, that people have preferred activities which are illegal, if you prefer.
Anecdotally, here is an interview with a serial rapist(22 victims, only 3 charges) where he explains that he was driven to do it specifically by the idea of its supreme wrongness (08:20). These are more aggressive rapes, and not the drugging/drinking ones. Andhere’s a PBS interview (text) with a prison pyschologist who works with rapists, and speaks to their general tendency towards criminal behaviors, other than just rape.
I point this out because there's this idea that all women are potential rape victims, and so all men are potential rapists- this is the feminist version of the idea, but there is a more widely-accepted version which is also far too inclusive. In truth, I'm pretty sure there is a small percentage of rapists who do the overwhelming majority of the rapes, and the scenario where some good guy just happens to make a mistake is relatively rare. Other than maybe some version of the "no means no" barrage I got from growing up in th '90s, I'm not sure what can really ever be done.
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Another problem is many women are afraid to come forward about being raped cause of how embarrassing/humiliating it is for them.
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Another problem is that most reports are fake and even women that don't fake it still commonly use the threat of sexual harassment to exploit men.
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There's a pretty big difference between the fact that false rape allegations exist- and everyone agrees that they're terrible, especially here- and the assertion that "most reports are fake".Like dudes will see post and be like “lol that is cool bro!” then proceed to drop that subject and refocus on something completely retarded. It’ happened no less than a bazzillion times in this shitty thread. Even the person that pretty much is the reason for this thread existing I think just saw all that shit and got mad so they left to go pout in a corner somewhere which was probably the most logical thing even if it was the most cowardly. GGPO.
This.
For example, they are stressing the point that violence against women is wrong as if violence against non-women is okay. So if I am a black male it’s okay to be violent against me because I’m not a woman? Get the f out with that s.
When I teach it to my kids I’m going to tell them to ignore everything the media/schools/etc tell them and I’m not going to tell them not to hit women, I’m going to tell them not to hit others and to treat others as they would like to be treated.
Having read through this thread, it doesn’t look like “everyone agrees that they’re terrible.”
Yup, cause I think raping women is wrong and there should be more done to prevent it I’m a feminist. Wonderful logic, eldergod. Bravo.
Again…your point? All you’ve said is that sometimes there are false accusations, and men get raped too. Severe consequences for false accusations? Yeah I already said for any crime where an individual purposefully falsely accuses another individual should be a severe penalty. You don’t seem to understand what is being discussed.
This is how this thread started.
The OP said he is for female equal rights and opportunities.
I agree that feminists have invaded the gaming industry to the point of harassment.
One thing that I don’t understand is that if the feminists complain that there are no good games and that the current ones are sexist, then why don’t they use their resources to make a good non-biased game instead of destroying others?
nah nah nah see that
that cannot happen
that is having to put their rhetoric in action.
what if it fails?
what If it’s God awful?
what happens If they fall into another pitfall of stereotype?
it opens them up to further criticisms and that is not a acceptable risk.
I might be mistaken here but I believe the slutwalk was originally a reaction to a cop telling women that they need to be careful about how they dress in order to reduce the chances of rape. In other words a cop giving advice on preventative measures to minimize victimization was seen by feminist groups as"victim blaming"and thus the slutwalk became a response to a strawman they created. In the views of the people who organize the slutwalk, women never have accountability or responsibility for their actions or the choices they make. If a woman walks down a dark alley late at night in the worse part of town naked,high off her ass with a trail of 100$ bills behind her…anything that might happen to her is not by fault of her own poor judgement but rather a fault of society and men for not being able to"control themselves". Likewise if I tell a buddy he shouldnt park on the bad side of town in a nice car with his window open and keys still in the ignition…I’m not just being a friend giving him sound advice but rather I’m a "crime apologist"and"victim blamer"for implying he is asking to be robbed.
These slutwalk organizers take a simple suggestion to avoid a crime and twisted it to the most illogical conclusion…this would be like interpreting a parent telling their kids to look"both ways before crossing"as a sign of child abuse because they are implying that the kids should take responsibility for the passing traffic. In my view though this isn’t even the worst part in all of this…what really gets me is how selective and hyproctitcal the"victim blaming"argument becomes. In several university campuses, the women centers post flyers and host conferences that tackle the issue of"campus rape"and within these conferences and posters we see tips and advice on how women can avoid rape or dangerous situations. In other words these preventative measures are seen as “informative and educational"and in no way shape or form are perceived as victim blaming…yet if a cop or anyone outside a gender studies certificate says the same shit it all a sudden becomes victim blaming and further evidence of the all encompassing"rape culture”…WTF.
The thing is that a lot of these countries and cultures impose restrictive gender roles on both the men and women. As a example, if women are required to stay home and lack the agency to develop their own finacial independence, the men are by contrast required to work outside and be the breadwinner regardless if they want to or not. If little girls are sold off the get married at early ages, the boys are sold off to become child soldiers or workers…its a restrictive system on both genders. However I am not completely familiar with all the intricate details of these different cultures outside news reels and the occasional online article I read about them. I see differing views from the people who actually live there so more often then not im inclined to believe the"hype"we hear about these places probably has a core of truth surrounded by thick layers of misrepresentation. If I was living outside the west and based my judgement on western culture off a site like"jezebel"for example, my impression of the west would be something like"wow how could those poor women survive in that place…they are getting raped and beaten every minute on the minute by their brothers,husbands,fathers,uncles,nephews,sons and any and all males within a 1000 mile radius…what kind of fucked up place is this".
How is it bogus…its probably a fair assumption to assume that outside first world nations which overwhelmingly favor women, there probably do exist a equal amount of advantages and disadvantages suffered by both men and women. I wouldn’t say women have it good in general for the same reason I wouldn’t say men have it good in general…instead I’d just say both gendes have areas in which they have it good and others where they have it bad…depending if its 1st world or not of course. However in the situations that do favor women…well depending on what part of the world we are talking about it can be a lot more or less then simple academic fields they excel in. In the west we know its far more then that for example but in some place out in the middle east…probably not but I wouldn’t know cause I dont live there. All this aside though I dont really know what to make of that last comment. Why does it matter if men are victims of other men…a victim of violence is still a victim no matter if he shares the same gender or color of the person attacking him. That’s like saying the female victims of child abuse are less important because it just so happens that the majority of child abusers are women. This might not have been what you meant but it just sounded like you were trying to downplay male victims of violence by virtue that they are commonly attacked by other men.
Well it depends on what women were talking about here…if were talking about 1st world women then this comment doesnt apply. However if we talk about women in general outside developed countries I would still say that it aint all peachy on both sides and I’d rather look into solving problems that effect everyone instead of only half the population…cause that’s sexist ya know.
Because complaining is easy, and besides who wants to put in actual effort to change the status quo? That requires…effort.
I forgot to mention it earlier, but I’ve always found the whole focus on how the whole “rape against women is wrong” thing to be somewhat disrespectful to men that have been raped by other men, be it as adults, or as boys by people in power such as teachers, coaches, priests, camp counselors, etc. The message should be clearly that “rape is wrong”. When you say “rape against women is wrong”, you come across as subtly suggesting that only women can be victims of rape, which again is creating a double standard that, whether you want it to come across that way or not, suggests that men are almost ‘more okay to rape’. The intention of that being the case may not be there, but the blunt reality is that that is what it subconsciously says and how it comes across.
Is that what “they” are doing, or is that something you’re just making up? I suppose you’ll just demolish my argument by linking to some woman’s tumblr who wants to kill men, thus proving your point.
These nine pages are an astounding testament to fairness and a desperate plea for equal rights for all*, and certainly not a predictable result of a group that’s largely ignored by women as millions of years of evolution function beautifully. It couldn’t possibly be the latter.
*I’d like to especially thank the men’s rights activists for pointing out that feminists can’t possibly be interested in equal rights for all because their name is not gender neutral, even though women calling for gender neutral pronouns is an attack on society.
Women do help make games, it’s just that none of them are retarded feminist.
They don’t need to be when Kotaku does the work for them and strawmans the shit out of everyone that brings up anything negative about women in the gaming industry (even when complaints are valid).
On the subject of rape: I don’t understand the logic of “don’t wear slutty clothing” when, IIRC, rape is about power rather than sexual gratification, meaning how one looks is largely irrelevant. Date rape MOs are a bit different, I’d imagine.
I like that at this point in the thread, it’s become dudes completely ignoring all counter proof and rushing to excuse any mistakes women make as if any of them are reading this or care, lol. There have been big ass posts chock full of proof that have been completely ignored then bitched about because… they didn’t have proof? Are people just trolling now or are they just being intentionally ignorant? I have no idea at this point.
Lol…so women have it better than men in first world nations? That’s hilarious, dude how old r u?
Your seriously asking why women in first world nations like the states,uk or Canada have it better…is this real life?
SRK is like comedy: your maturity is how long you’ve been in it.
Except half the people act fuckin stupid anyway. Not always the same half tho.