Ken needs more walk speed and jump speed he feels to much like a weaker version of Ryu. his kara trow and forward medium kick just doesnt cut it.
What characters are just waiting for some new play style/tech to break their tier spot like Seth did
It’s more likely that people will start finding more/better uses for the “weaker” ultras.
Ryu is definitely under explored. Someday some no name xbox live motherfucker will come out with some new tech that’ll blow our minds away
I hope that’s sarcasm…
I think Ryu is the most explored character in the game lol. It’s because he just has no special “tricks”, you just have to play solid with him, and that is all.
The only thing that blowed my mind was my discovery in his frame data list, that cs.mp has 3 frame startup and is special cancelable lol. This makes “solarplexus strike ~ cs.mp xx special” a 2 frame link, so always hitable with double tapping or a 3 frame link with plinking lol, yeah I’m a motherfucker.
Use close st.mk instead. Also 3f, also special cancellable, but it moves you forward so it’s easier to connect combos. eg:
j.hk, cr.mp, st.mk xx hadou fadc st.hp xx DP
The previous combo is usually only possible if you use st.mk.
Interesting thing about close st.mp is that it causes massive hitstun, but also has massive recovery. You can easily hit-confirm off of it (especially counter-hit), but the massive hit-stun makes it hard to time the follow-up. Also useful for trade OS, but I haven’t bothered looking for setups.
Go to around 4m8s:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=z81hMjiwTQ
Most unexplored aspect of Ryu is his U2 IMO. Great punish, plus it links off counter-hit cr.mp (kinda hard, but I’ve managed to do it online) so it makes his frame trap/kara throw game really strong. Dangerous anti-backdash OS as well off a jump in (not every situation though).
You can also punish focus attacks (chars with weak backdashes) on reaction like so:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G08B9tn4L0
Heard of xWAx Solid?
He’s a really good Ryu that makes good use of U2!
Yet for some reason he has less bad matchups. Also, I’d kill for those fireball speed options. So delicious.
I don’t know if that’s true or not but the bad matchups Ken does have are more severe than any bad matchups Ryu has…
kens fireball recovery is just pathetic, dont even bother using it unless i want to be jumped in on
I like how people shit talk over characters as if the players are all the same skill level.
He’s a completely different character, this is like comparing Guile and Deejay
Still he’s a completely different character. What are these nonexistant severely bad match ups that Ken has?
I guess this means Rose, Chun Li, Sakura and Dhalsim shouldn’t bother throwing fireballs either.
on topic:
Evil Ryu is the character I think the original poster is looking for, he is by far the most underrated character
even though i don’t play him guy seems like he has potential. he can deal high dmg, has good pressure and plenty of gimmicks. and he a mashable confirmable 3f short. if i didn’t hate his playstyle/character i would pick him up.
That and its so annoying fighting Guy… he has the weirdest jump/hitbox ever -_-
So Xian’s Gen just won Canada Cup, do you think we’ll be seeing much more Gen being explored now? Admittedly the match wasn’t easy for Xian, but he played very well.
in theory ryu can beat dudley using only 2 moves : cr.MK and shoryuken …cr.MK stops all his offense and Dp all his jump ins
and when it comes to cammy : well dudly is totaly free there
from my expiriance cause i play only those 2
i doubt cause Gen is too complex to learn
i remeber back in normal AE , fei long was S+ ,the best character but still verry few ppl used him online cause hes also verry difficult to play (goes for viper too)
ppl just wwannt a simpler character to become decent with and have fun online
Daigo said “there is no hope for e.ryu” and i completly agree
his low health, cr.MK and sweep are terible!!! make hiis cr.MK like ryu’s (5 frame start up,5 frame active) and his sweep like akumas, +50 health/stun and we can talk
also his super is not verry usable (not even near normal ryu’s shinku hadouken which is one of the best supers in this game)
e.ryu simply sux as for now (thats my and many ppl’s opinion,you dont have to agree)
e.ryu’s super is really good.
Agree, isn’t it same as Akuma’s? o.O