YES, THIS IS ONI AKUMA.
AKUMA WITHOUT HUMANITY, TOTALLY BAD ASS AND POWERFUL.
Loses teleport, air fireballs (except Ultra), can’t FADC shoryukens and fireballs only go half way unless charged.
CAPCOM LOGIC FTW!!!
Not that I’d want him to be so overpowered at all, just saying it doesn’t make sense…
Evil Ryu and Oni got that treatment while the twins were Godly before. Pretty weird actually.
The problem with Oni is that he has trouble in footsies. He doesn’t have a “poke that beats most everything” like Sakura, Seth, Balrog, Akuma, Cammy, Fei Long, etcetera have. Oni’s offense is very scary, his throw game is good and his slashes are very annoying. I don’t think Oni will ever be anything but mid tier though, just like Gouken.
I think having Evil Ryu at the BOTTOM of the tier list is silly. His biggest weakness is no 5 frame cr.mk. But people try to play him like Ryu in footsies, and you can’t. He has different buttons, and he has a lot of cheap buttons. His rushdown is better than Ryu’s, the only thing he lacks is combos into sweep + safe jump.
imo Oni’s pokes are good and technically should be good for footsies considering their hitboxes
the problem is their startup which are are pretty slow. I do think his B+MP could be a poke that beats most everything. I honestly think the only useful slash he has is the LK version for combos. MP imo is close to not useful at all and HP will work like once or twice
Oni can be scary once he has meter, which he builds rather slowly
Someone was making the case that you can block his slash every time if you simply hold back for a set amount of time and then forward. That would take some practice and he’d have to get predictable to be consistently countered IMO.
Evil Ryu is mid or a bit above. And yea people play him like his counterparts. I don’t know if he has anything normals that are spammable like Akuma’s sweep for instance. But he has some good normals. But he has good walkspeed, dash, two very useful ultras, a powerful super you can cancel into from any normal for almost 400 damage, etc. Once people understand his true power is in resets they’ll be better off.
Evil Ryu’s bnb builds at least 1 meter. If you reset into a stomp you get untechable knockdown and about 500 damage.
dunno about teleport. never had the feeling of missing it (used to main akuma).
alltho i think his fireballs are pretty useless. theyre better to just use as mindgames, u cant really rely on em as a “good offence”.
and yea, a ex airdash would be awesome. in what diection would that one be, u think? 
Oni already has an EX air dash but Capcom doesn’T allow us to use it I think he also has a downward air dash but not sure.
He has LP+MP / MP+HP / LP+HP / LP+MP+HP ex air dashes. It allows him to cancel his EX air dashes into anything (normal moves, ultras, EX moves) except in other air dashes and his command dive kick, which he also has (akuma’s animation parts, not the actual move) but Capcom…doesn’t allow us to use it.
Basically in Oni’s files, he has all Akuma’s animation parts except for his ultras. Oh and the animation of his teleport is much more badass than Akuma and Evil Ryu (cosmetic point of view)
i cast my vote to yang.
he’s got his bad matches or whatever, but he’s being underplayed at the moment
I doubt someone can do this while also time teching throws and not getting hit by hk stomp? HK stomp is really strong in throw guessing games by the way, unless they start OS throw/focus teching. But Oni has a lot of answers to that too.
Also, EX slash is 30 frames, mk is 29 frames. Good luck trying to fuzzy block that. HK is 34 as a crossup. All of these are unsafe, but the point is that you don’t have to do them. Also lk slash is -2 on normal block, +3 on FADC.
Oh and lp air dash to EX tatsu is pretty good as a jump-in.
Somebody was doing tatsu jumpins with Oni, they were very effective.
I also agree with you, LoyalSol was making that case I think. Yes, if someone were just to spam it out and not think twice about it, you would be open to counters, but if they do mixups and keep it unpredictable it is really a pain.
Oni’s forward walk speed is above the mid point of the cast (it is the same as Ken’s) it’s not fantastic but it is decent. However his backwards walk speed is the exact same as his forward walk speed (something not very common in the game.) His backwards walk speed is the exact same as Akuma/Guile/Deejay/Boxer/Ect making it one of the best in the game (not THE best, that is Claw and Cammy, but it’s one of the best.)
Then you have his dash, his backdash isn’t fantastic but it’s farther than most characters, and it’s once again faster than Akuma’s (It can be canceled into a reversal or block 1F sooner than Akuma’s)
His forward dash is incredible, it goes pretty far and is extremely fast (can be canceled on frame 11. It is 1F slower than Akuma’s but goes much farther.)
Then he has his unique air dashes which offer a lot of mobility to him compared to most characters, and he has demon slashes which are fairly fast moving and LK is safe on block allowing lots of mobility after a knockdown and they avoid fireballs.
Just because a character doesn’t have the best mobility in the game doesn’t mean that they don’t have good mobility.
Also this is for a character with 1000 health. Generally characters with good mobility have less than average health.
Ibuki, Viper, Claw, Seth (to some extent), Gouki, Cammy, etc. Oni has air dash, air demon, decent dashes, and a host of other abilities that allow him to get in and mix up the opponent. I think that’s what people are missing. Yea he does have some stuff that isn’t great, but he has good damage and mixup without the shitty health.
YAY! SETH IS NOW MY NEW MAIN
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I am just want to know the opinion of different people on the subject that’s all.
Dudley has Potential
-High dmg output Even in Trades
-Resets are good
…Loses to pokes,Never mind he will always stay midtier
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thanks for taking time and taking the survey. I am thinking it should be free, then the learner can donate if he or so wishes
juri U1 is nuts
a comeback monster
That would be good for the customers but I doubt much people or anyone would donate honestly 