Warriors Fate: Street Fighter story thread, revived

Hey TiamatRoar, back when I was reading through this entire thread a while ago, I thought I saw you have or had translations of some of Nakahira Masahiko’s SF manga. Do you have one for Ryu Final? I’ve got great ones of SFZ and SG so far, I wasn’t sure you mentioned RF. Also, (you knew I’d say this) heard anything from Saiki lately? I’m still waiting for a response from him. :frowning:

In response to a possible Mega Man storyline faq, I think that would be cool. Although the Mega Man Network site has quite a bunch of info, it’d be nice if all of it could be compiled into a single text file. The site has a great bibliography list together with its resource sections, at least for the X series, which I’d really appreciate the Street Fighter Plot Guide doing likewise sometime in a future release. Just a thought.:smiley:

SvC sprites are now at Gamegen, so y’all know.

They were right… now that I’ve gotta a closer look, a lot of the Capcom characters ARE drawn horribly.

All stolen probably. :expressionless:

I just looked at the plot canon guide website by Tiamat I think. It’s a very excellent work, very satisfying, in-depth, and very good, if I may say so.

I am especially interested to share some perspective on the Satsui no Hadou and the Shun Goku Satsu.

Satsui no Hadou = Murderous Intent. This Intent, as so named by Capcom, is not exclusive to practitioners of lethal martial arts. In fact, it is latent within all human beings, however, it is intensified by contact with death, rage, and desire for vengeance. This is what it means when it is said to the warrior “Your greatest enemy is yourself.”

In fact, the warrior believes that when he steps onto the battle field, his sole and entire aim is to eliminate his opponent, “kill all who stands in your way, be it God or Buddha…”, puts it very well in Kill Bill :stuck_out_tongue:

However, he must guard himself from developing the intent to kill, that is, he fights solely to kill. There is a very thin limit between what the warrior believes in battlefield, and what it might be perverted into, therefore, Satsui no Hadou.

A warrior possessed by Satsui no Hadou is also prone to demonic possession, they are not necessarily exclusive to each other. One can cause another, or that one can lead to another. Satsui no Hadou is nothing mystical, it’s not fantasy, it’s very real, and it starts by feeding and nurturing anger and lust in your heart. Have you ever felt invincible and fearless when so provoked to blind rage? I know I have, the rage is nurtured to such point that it consumes the person and gives birth to the Murderous Intent.

You don’t have to be very strong to possess Satsui no Hadou. In fact, a warrior is supposed to be more resistant (more able to control) such rage by training his body, soul, and spirit in harmony.

Therefore, it is sometimes said that an unskilled man (in the arts of killing) can be more a warrior than a skilled man. The difference lies in the intent.

Shun Goku Satsu = Instant Hell Murder. What happens when it is executed is that, physically, the one who performs the deadly move hit, with great strength, speed, and accuracy, all the vital death points on the victim’s body. I personally know of six vertical death points, and one more (the heart) on human body, the rest I do not know, but I hear that there are more such spots.

Spiritually, it is as the website so well say, it literally sends the soul of the victim to hell. Soul = the personality, the real person that encompasses the mind, preferences, thoughts, feelings, etc. Hell is usually understood as a place of torture for evil angels (and gods), therefore, demons. It might surprise you to know that Hell is never intended (created) for human beings, but for devils only. Scripturally speaking, the only human being that would be sent to Hell are the Antichrist and the False Prophet. It is never meant for human beings.

This move is very deadly, it strikes both body and soul of the victim.

Is this technique real? Does it really exist? I can’t say, I have seen really amazing feats performed by martial artists, I can surely say that a technique which strikes at death points on human body with great accuracy, strength, and speed is very possible. Although I can’t say how many death points can be targeted at a time.

Nope, never could find any translations of Ryu Final^^

To make anything beyond a simple list of referenced sources is impossible, because I have none of the sources so I wouldn’t know what the heck came from what. That and a whole bunch of the stuff is inside info (like the Poison story. Which, by the way, another friend of mine recently confirmed when he went to work for Capcom on some confidential game, so I’m sure Saiki really knows his stuff). Can’t really cite where each bit of information specifically came from. All I have are the resources that Saiki told me he used.

I understand that, and because a lot of what you have is in the format “thanks to so-and-so for xxx” you can’t really go farther than just a simple list of referenced sources as you said. However, you do also list six books as sources so far, and those were what I meant by following the same format as MMN does. Actually, a bibliography list I mentioned is misleading: all they have are the romanized titles and their ISBN’s. That much would be perfect for the Plot Guide.

(minor rant ahead)
Since you don’t have the books yourself, you can always ask me for the info if Saiki can’t for some reason or sano or anyone else who has them and/or knows any Japanese. I currently have AACapcom and more recently AASFZ3 (awesome book:D) and I’ll soon be getting the old elusive “SF Fanbook” as well. Only one I couldn’t help with is of course the “SFZ3 Fanbook” for the obvious reason that I can’t find it myself! (someone please tell me more about this one!!!):confused:
(end minor rant)

One last note: I remember you saying in your Guide after I believe Roland Kie’s comments about Gouki from a “Japanese mook” (BTW, I found your original posting about his findings in this thread and discovered the mook he referred to) that you really “start to feel a need to get specific with citing your sources…” Yeah, unfortunately I think you do too. At least with printed materials you do. Word of mouth may not have to be as concrete, but I believe books (and mooks) should. Again, just the actual titles and ISBN’s would be sufficient for fan purposes. (hey you have most of them already anyway) Just those darn fanbooks could use some revisions.:smiley: Thanks for reading and long live the thread!!!:lol:

I agree w/ vasili10 when he says Tiamat should get specific w/ citing his sources. The ISBN numbers are easy to fing on the net. Anywho, after looking through a few Japanese websites, I’ve found 2 (including the official SFZ3 site) that list Dan’s “Real” name. Only problem is, I can’t translate it correctly.

I found a website dedicated to the SF3 series where someone translated Twelve’s win quotes (incase u forgot, they’re all in binary code). Below are the translations if any of u guys are interested:

vs. Chun-Li: "Slow…"
vs. Makoto: "Again?"
vs. Q: "Never!"
vs. Himself: "Me?"
vs. Remy: “Slay!” or, “Kill you!” somethin like that.
vs. Alex: “Weak!” or, "You are weak!"
vs. Ryu: "Frail!"
vs. Yun: “Poor” as in meager.
vs. Yang: “Loser!” or “Defeated dog”. Somethin like that.
vs. Ken: "Cheap!"
vs. Ibuki: "Bye"
vs. Elena: "Done."
vs. Dudley: “Gentle.” The person who translated these quotes explained it as he (Dudley) is a kind gentleman.
vs. Oro: "X Day"
vs. Necro: “Go hell” or, “Go to hell”.
vs. Hugo: “Strike” or "Attack!"
vs. Urien: "Dad"
vs. Gouki: “Fear?”

While I"m on the subject of SF3, I found the official Jap. 3rd Strike website and it has brief bios for every character. I’ll post those later. Peace out for now.

MAKOTO
Nothing to add to her bio in Tiamat’s FAQ, except for that the name of her father’s Karate School translates to something like “Autumn Bellflower Mansion”.

Q
His bio is a statement from CIA pubblic-relations offcier, Richard Bergman. He basically says that the CIA’s having difficulty proving if Q even exists.

ALEX
After battling opponents from all over the world, Alex is in the process of learning/has learned the depth and fearfulness of the fight. His fighting spirit burns strong and he cannot suppress it. He wants to fight and get stronger, so he leaves Tom in search of a formidable/powerful opponent.

YUN
The community in Yun & Yang’s town (located in Hong Kong) live happily and comfortably, but Yun has become aware of the existence of the ‘Mysterious Organization’ which threatens the peace, so Yun decides to infiltrate and/or destroy the organiztion in order to protect his town.

YANG
Yang takes pride in keeping their town peaceful and protecting it. Naturally, he won’t allow the evildoings of the organization of mystery, so, like his older brother, he plans to thwart their plans. I think the next few lines say something about how Yang’s tired of the town always depending on Yun, so he says something like, “Leave it to me this time!”

KEN
While Sean is enthusiastic about participating in an upcoming martial arts tournament, Ken is bored. He hasn’t fought a strong/formidable opponent in a long time. Because of this, Ken has lost his fighting spirit. Around this time, Ken hears rumors about some “Organization of Mystery”. I can’t make sense out of the next line. It translates to, “The smell of the danger forgetting of applying, burning the body.” I perceived it as Ken left in pursuit of the organization, without regarding/considering the possible danger. Anyway, the last line basically says that Ken’s fighting spirit has been rekindled.

I’ll post the rest later…

GEEZ

Theres alot of inacurate info in there, and some somewhat accurate info.

Basicly this is it

Satsu No Hadou = Can awaken in a student of the Ansatsuken (Style With The Killing Intent) due to a selfish need or desire. Akuma desired to be the strongest, and thus submitted. Ryu desired to win at all costs, and thus he submitted. (Its also the sister to Psycho Power, notice both energies are purple)

Thats basicly all thats known about the SNH, theres not much more to it, at least not like your talking about it.

Shun Goku Satsu = Officialy only Goutetsu, Gouken, and Akuma know/knew how to use it. Its a technique that attacks the victims soul and sends it to hell, regardless if the victim is worthy of Heaven or not. The technique is just as dangerous to the person excecuting it, as it is to the victim. (Sakura invented her own version of the technique)

Again its not something as in depth as you’re talking about, nor is it real, considering it officialy attacks the soul, it has nothing to do with “death points”

Thanks for your agreeing words of support Golden Dragon. Also, Dan’s real name if you want to be completely literal is “bullet.” The kanji for his first name is the Chinese reading DAN or bullet. His surname Hibiki has two kanji’s one for fire or flame, HI, and BIKI, which means to be coated with or plated with. So his full literal name would be :lol: “the fire-coated bullet!”

On a side note, anyone know the conditions to fight Dan as a challenger in Super Puzzle Fighter IIX? I’ve been trying stuff from a faq and I still can’t get him to appear. Think you could help me out sano, since you have the book for it? Thanks folks. :smiley:

I said I was giving you a new perspective on Satsui no Hadou, not the canonical perspective.

EDIT: GEEZ, it just occured to me that you don’t even know for sure whether the Shun Goku Satsu is a technique that only attacks the victim’s soul, or if it also attacks physical death points. Capcom has not said anything about the physical effect of Shun Goku Satsu, therefore, you should stop being so dogmatic about it.

And I can say one thing for sure, Shun Goku Satsu is not a technique that can be mixed with Shin Shoryuken, Midare Zakura, or what not into a new technique. The Satsui no Hadou also has nothing to do with purple flames, the Marvel vs. Capcom series are not really canon as well, it might be simple cosmetic for all we know.

Oh, I haven’t played SF Puzzle Fighter IIX in a LOOOOOOOONG time, since back in the old Playstation days. Dan drops all Red Gems on you making him the WEAKEST Character in Puzzle Fighter, LOL!

Say, on the GBA (if that’s how your playing) can you unlock the Sakura song “I Want You to Know” like the PS version?

Anyway, this is from Richard Uyeyama’s Site at Gamefaqs. This is for the PS1, Arcade and Sega Saturn so I’d be shocked if it doesn’t work on the GBA.

In Arcade Battle Mode, Dan will appear as a Hidden Challenger before your 7th opponent, if you fulfill all of the following conditions without any continues or challengers.

  1. For all rounds, Time > 60 sec. (Minimum Time > 60)

  2. Max Chain < 4

  3. Max Gem < 20

  4. Win No Rounds with a Super Finish

For 3-Round or 5-Round matches, it’s okay to loose a round… but I don’t know weither it’s ok to “ruin” one of the above conditions in a round you loose…

I think the person to ask for bibliographical information is Dash No Chris over at Gamefaqs and MMCAFE. He’s really good with providing all the info you need to know for ordering a book. If you just want ISBN Numbers, I’ll be sure to help out.

Hey sano, about SPF2X, that is the faq I was using, and I still can’t get Dan to appear. :frowning: I was wondering if your AA book talks about the conditions if they’re different (if you can’t tell what it says, let me know; maybe if you could send me a scan of the page I could roughly figure it out. Especially if there’s info for fighting Devilot close by; I’ve gotten her to show up; so maybe I could verbally interpolate or something) About unlocking Sakura’s song in the GBA version, I wouldn’t know. I only have older versions of the game, but the trick might still be there.

I don’t know if you were referring Dash no Chris to me or to Tiamat, but if it’s to me, an ISBN for the mystery Zero 3 fanbook would be perfect for me. I’d need nothing else. :slight_smile: Because Saiki’s already said that it was published by Shogakukan in 1998 under the Wonder Life Special label. No one seems to know what the title is, so it’s difficult to pinpoint it. If you still think Dash no Chris will know more about it, I’ll try emailing him.

My post wasn’t really referring to anyone specifically, talking to all Posters kind of. Yeah, try E-Mailing Dash No Chris. His SF Collection (Especially SF Manga) is even bigger than mine. And he can read it and I sure can’t… I don’t know his E-Mail though, ask Sieg or Tiamat.

I’ll take a look at AASPF2X, but seeing how I can’t read it I’m not sure I can find the page that explains how to perform tricks and stuff. If I can, I hope to be able to scan and place it here in a Week or two (along with the picture of Berial and Gouki and the Kid) but nowadays either I find myself busy or my friend with the Scanner’s busy, so hopefully in a few weeks our schedules will clear up a bit.

Hey, looked through AASPF2X and I have no idea what page it tells you how to fight Dan, seeing as how all text for gaming Strategy, Tricks and stuff (Even the titles of such sections so I can’t tell them apart) is written in Japanese with very few pictures so I dunno.

If it’s any consilation, it only deals with the Arcade Version so it may or not be of much help.

That’s alright. I knew the book’s only for the arcade version, that was the point, I’m trying to reach Dan in the machine; very few pictures though? I’m surprised at that for an AA book. Anyway, I emailed Dash no Chris because I still want to know about the fanbook more than anything else I request right now, hope he gets back to me sometime.

Thanks for your efforts, sano. Anyone know how to fight Dan in Super Puzzle Fighter II X, please pass it on to me. Domo arigato!:smiley:

What is Ansatsuken?
I believe that is a “group” of techniques, including Hadou, Shoryu, Tatsumaki, Shun Goku Satsu, Zan’ei, Shitenshuu and maybe other moves. Other technique is also the way to channeling the ki to kill (the great diference of the Gouki and Gen ansatsuken to Gouken, Ryu and Ken ansatsuken).
While Goutetsu and Akuma knows Hadou, Shoryu, Tatsumaki, Shun Goku Satsu and the technique of using the ki to kill, Gen knows Shitenshuu, Zan’ei and technique of kill too. But Gouken (and his students) have only Hadou, Shoryu and Tatsumaki, without the technique of kill.
I believe that Ansatsuken need of a “primary style” to be used. Like the Chi Kung courses that been taughteds around the world. “You can use the Chi Kung in any martial art”, can be viewed in the announcements. If Ansatsuken is like Chi Kung, Reiki and others “groups of techniques”, it needs of advanced martial arts knowledges. Goutetsu used the knowledges of karate, judo and taekwondo (and taughted it for this pupils), but Gen used the styles of the Chinese kung fu.

Tiamat, Clay, Saiki, Siegfried, and other people of this thread: what you think about it? I’m crazy? It’s right? Right in some points?

I wait for requests, and sorry for gramatical erros. :wink:

More or less, yeah. Basically you employ “Ansatsuken” when you employ any technique from any martial art with the aim to kill. You might use Tae Kwon Do and kick your opponent’s solar plexus, use Tai Chi and strike his Adam’s apple, or Karate to crush his balls. It makes no difference.

However, I do believe that the “Ansatsuken” practiced by Goutetsu, Gouken, Gouki, Ryu, and Ken is a bit more unique. It was created by Goutetsu by incorporating elements from existing martial arts, like you said. But it has also developed its own unique killing techniques, that is, it has already attained a separateness from other martial arts, even the ones that had influenced it.

It can be said that it is a martial art style in its own right, but also applicable to the employment of general techniques to kill. What’s more, the Ansatsuken of Street Fighter series seems to be dynamic, it is maleable according to the preferences of the practitioner. I heard somewhere that Ken’s style is called “Hiryuu Ansatsuken”, that is, “Fire Dragon Ansatsuken”. I don’t know what Ryu’s, Gouki’s, or Gen’s is called though.

“Hiryuu Ansatsuken”? That’s cool! I think like you, but I have one question: why Capcom calls the styles of Gen, Akuma, Gouken, Goutetsu, Ryu, Ken, Sean and Sakura of Ansatsuken?
Because if Ansatsuken is only a name to call a style with killing moves, Ryu, Ken, Sean and Sakura don’t fight Ansatsuken. For this I believe that Ansatsuken is like Chi Kung, Reiki and others arts compatible with various martial arts (group of moves). :rolleyes:

And, Tiamat, I know that “it is not relevant to the plot guide”, but I believe that some of Street Fighter fans want to know all the info about the fighting styles, like the Taichi/WuShu case of Chun Li, and the Ansatsuken question.
I think that the plot guide could be more cool with this. In a fighting game, the fighting styles have a great importance in the plot - it ins’t true in the case of Chun Li, but Ansatsuken is one of the most developeds plots of SF. :slight_smile:

I’m kinda hesitant to go into researching fighting styles because I really don’t see the justification for the extra work when someone could go and research those fighting styles themselves easily enough, unlike the Street Fighter plot. I’m sure there are tons of English resources out there on the net free and accessible to anyone who wants to look into any particular fighting style with a little searching.