Where is that Birdie/Titanic Tim picture supposed to be? I looked in CI and there’s only pictures of him with a little bird(ie) and with his hair messed up. No Eagle/Adon or Sodom/Poison style picture for him.
Did it appear after SFA2? This book doesn’t have the Gen/young Chun-Li picture either. But it DOES have some very good advice on how to draw Chun-Li’s braids, shoulder pads and, um, her boobs. 
The Birdie Titanic Tim pic actually isn’t in the same… style as the Poison Sodom pic or the Eagle Adon pic. Not that the drawing style is different so much as the latter pics are in color while the Birdie Titanic Tim pic is in black and white. I believe Tas was mistaken/lying/just plain out wrong when he said it was part of that set of Alpha arts (just like he was on lots of things from what I can tell).
As for where it comes from… I er… forget. Hmm… judging by the pic, though, it probably comes from a mook or strategy guide bible.
Oh yea, hey Sieg. Incoming. Hope your hotmail account has room.
Yeah, it came from the Official Street Fighter Alpha 2 Strategy Guide from Versus games. I use to have this book myself, but the damn thing fell apart on me. :bluu:
It’s a shame they’re not making any more like it for the new games. That guide was the most informative one ever. It was enough to make you wonder if John Choi or Alex Valle took part in writing the book, or shared their strategies with the authors. There’s also a B5 tournament summary with photos in the rear of the book, BTW, complete with a winner/loser rating table for the characters in A2.
Just got the SF Eternal Book and I have to agree it’s depressing seeing as I have about 80% of the art already, either in Art Books, from CD Jackets or previously seen/downloaded from the Net. Ah well, suppose that’s the price a Street Fighter Fanatic pays when getting a Book like this. Chances are it won’t offer much new. I wish Capcom would of had more/new artwork contributed from Video Game Artists, Manga Artists, Anime Artists or ANY ARTISTS. Even some freaking Fan Art would of improved the book. And yes, ultra rare stuff like a Pic of Gouken’s Daughter would of made me faint but what can you do.
Oh, not sure if I’m just restating what’s already been stated, but all the pictures in the Shadowloo Base Page including the Ryu and Chun-Li Pic are all combined into one drawing of the two page spread in Capcom Illustrations. And there’s lots of Dialogs and arrows pointing to things and describing them in Capcom Illustrations. TiamatRoar - I’ll send you a copy if you want.
Off to Preorder Street Fighter Issue one. Udoneko needs us!
I still have my copy though it’s in rough shape. As I recall Valle and Choi were among the contributors to it.
I don’t think another book like that one was ever made simply because it was too expensive to make, though lord knows if American Gaming companies regularly wrote guides like that we wouldn’t have to resort to 'net for EVERYTHING.
I have that guide and the SF Hyper fighting guide that had a small section on Super Street Fighter 2. The Hyper Fighting guide I think was written with Goddard’s help.
A random note to add to Poison’s bio: in the ugly artwork with all the FF characters confronting each other (and Jessica standing behind shouting for Cody), Poison is reaching out to touch Cody.
Also, the Japanese name for Jessica seems to be Nancy.
Nancy???
Jessica’s name is the same in Jpan last I checked.
Haven’t been in this thread in a while. Well, I guess I’m only back for now because needed many questions answered. I do need all of them eventually answered, but I have time to wait for the answer and therefore won’t rush nor bitch at anyone to give them to me. Here they are:
What is the official name for Sodom’s style? Is his style to a form of Saikyou since saikyou seems to be such a generic term?
If he used katana in Final Fight, then was there ever any explanation for him having sais? Does he even actually have sais? I ask since although they are present in A-ism and V-ism in SFA3 (I can’t remember if they were in SFA2 or not), he reverts back to his katana in X-ism. So any clarification on them (I’m assuming that Capcom didn’t give them names of any sort) would be quite helpful.
This is more a speculation question than a question that has an actual answer I would presume. Do you personally think that Sodom and Rolento are still traveling together since SFA3 (if their ending even happened, minus either of them defeating Bison and Sodom going kamikaze)? I mean Poison and Hugo are still together, which I still cannot figure out, but they kind of didn’t have their characters fleshed out as much as Sodom and Rolento. It seems like Sodom and Rolento did make up, but I think that they went seperate ways since Sodom seems to be too much of Japophile to stay in America for extended periods of time.
I know that there was a timeline in this thread, but I can’t remember which page it was on or else I would not be asking this question. Can anyone tell what years the following happened or probably happened?
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[]Street Fighter Alpha 3
[]Street Fighter 2 and the Death of M. Bison
[]Rival Schools
[]Project Justice
[]When Maki went after Guy
[]When Mad Gear was destroyed (for good)
[*]Street Fighter 3 (all of them)
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[list]
[]Balrog (Boxer)
[]Vega (Claw)
[]Chun-li
[]Guile
[]Amy
[]Mel
[]Ken
[]Ryu
[]Sean
[]Sakura
[]Batsu Ichimonji
[]Kyosuke Kagami
[]Guy
[]Kurow Kirishama (I can’t remember his real last name)
[]Yurika
[]Dan
[/list]
Um… yeah, that’s it for now. Thanks in advance to anyone who wastes their time helping me.
Oooh, wish I had time to answer some of these. Some of them are way over my head and many answers can be found in TiamatRoar’s Plot Guide.
With there being nothing to base Rolento and Sodom’s present situation, one can only look at non canon games. Rolento looks like he’s still trying to get things together, possibly join Heidern’s Team in CVS2, and the game that never was CFAS suggests that there is still a Mad Gear (least in that timeline, whatever the heck it is) that got beat up by a character named Death. And seeing as how the other two MG leaders are dead, Sodom would be leading, me thinks. No mention of either team in either game as if they are two seperate entities. Or, just didn’t mention it and they are still together? I dunno. Course, I never seen the CFAS game intro and Rolento may have been one of the characters lying beat up by Death’s feet. Stress again, I dunno.
So, personally I feel they teamed up for a while, failed and went there seperate ways. Unfortunately I can only base this on Two unofficial games and one that never saw the light of day so I’m probably wrong. Well, it’s just a guess anyways.
The plot guide is currently not at gamefaqs thanks to a server move that apparently accidentally deleted the miscellaneous coin op genre section, which is where the plot guide was located (and was an absolutely HORRIBLE place for them to put it, I must say). It’s still at Fighter Mania (http://kattuggla.oru.se/dmd01/dm0103/test/), though, updated enough to answer most of the questions but that would take some searching so I’ll just answer them here.
Ah well. Hopefully the situation will be rectified. I’ll just load up the ol’ text file and try to answer as many of those questions as I can.
Sodom’s fighting style is listed in his official bio as “Self taught Martial Arts”. Which would explain why it doesn’t have a name.
The katanas in Final Fight when you pick them up during the fight with Sodom are labelled as “Masamune” (you can see the name of the item you pick up under your name whenever you pick something up). Both of them have that name (I knocked both out of Sodom’s hands then picked both up). As for whether or not he has the sais, I’m inclined to think that he actually switched over to them by canon and that X-Ism is a tribute to how he used to use katanas in Final Fight (sorta like how X-Ism Rolento is a tribute to how Rolento would hop all over the place in Final Fight). I’m not sure, though. Maybe Saiki could answer that better or something 
Well, assuming/speculating that their fate was shown in-game in any way, there are only two endings that deal with them in SFA3. One is where Sodom kamikazes and dissappears and Rolento thinks he is still alive, and another is when they make up and decide to once again go out there for Mad Gear’s ideals together. Now, the former really can’t (or probably can’t) happen because we all know that the real way that Shadaloo blew up was via Charlie and Guile, so that leaves us with only the latter of the two making up. And I personally feel it’d be really dumb to have an ending of them making up (which is a significant character development thing) and then have that ending just be what-if, but I suppose you never know. Anyways, although Sodom is a Japophile, in the end, he still sticks to America the most, I believe. The main reason he went east in between SFA2 and SFA3 wasn’t to spend time in Japan but to recruit Japanese warriors to his cause. His stage in SFA3 is in America, isn’t it? Ah, I’ll go check after this post. Well, anyways, I imagine he and Rolento are both the leaders of whatever new organization they started up or tried to start up (though I wouldn’t be surprised if they kept it with the Mad Gear name, but it was never really stated).
SFA3: 1990
SF2 and death of Bison: 1993
Rival Schools: IF it takes place in the same continuity as Street Fighter, then it had to be 1989. Sakura’s a second year student and 15 years old and has already met Ryu, which would all be one year past SFA2. Of course, the Rival Schools Evolution disk 1 has things like a wonderswan and fast internet and a whole bunch of other stuff that was out in 1999, but it also has an arcade with various Street Fighter games of all things. …and Sakura isn’t in Evolution 1 at all. In Evolution 2, she’s there, but Evolution 2 doesn’t have things like fast internet and cell phones and wonderswans and arcades with Street Fighter in them to my knowledge.
Project Justice: One year after Rival Schools. Which IF it takes place within Street Fighter continuity would be 1990.
Maki went after Guy after Guy went missing. Guy went missing sometime after SFA3/FF3. Well, he’s obviously not missing in Final Fight 3 since he’s playable there, but FF3 almost positively happened after SFA3. However, in SFA3 Advance, Maki is searching for the missing Guy, then. …course, SFA3 Advance has absolutely no storyline dialogue whatsoever or any indication of whether the new stories there are canon/took place during that time or not. Yun’s storyline of course is all out of timeline whack. 
Mad Gear was destroyed with the official date given being 1989. Which would be one year after Street Fighter Alpha 2 and Final Fight 2. Or probably more accurately, FF2 was what brought it down.
Street Fighter 3: 1998 for Double Impact (which replaces New Generation, though they’re the exact same thing anyways right down to each line of dialogue and ending). For Third Strike, no specific date was given, but it happens nearly right after Double Impact so you know that it’s either 1998 or 1999.
Balrog: 29
Vega: 31
Chun-Li: 30
Guile: 38
Amy: Amy was no older than 12 in SFII so she would be 17~18 in SFIII 3rd Strike time period.
Mel: 5 years old (conceived and born shortly after Eliza and Ken were married)
Ken: 33
Ryu: 34
Sean: No birthdate given. I think he’s about 16 during SF3 but I never was able to get an official confirmation. …SF3 had a lot of teenagers, though.
Sakura: 24
Batsu: 24? Same age as Sakura, I think.
Kyosuke: 24? Same age as Batsu, right?
Guy: 33 or 35. Problem here is that Guy is stated to be 24 during Final Fight, which is supposed to have taken place in 1987, but Capcom sometimes mistates Final Fight to have taken place in 1989, too, making Guy’s age around Third Strike to be possibly either 33 or 35.
Kurow Kirishima: 23? First year in PJ.
Yurika: Erm… 24? Sigh, I’m mixing up which years each of the students were in during Rival Schools again. Blarg. Kurow is her younger brother, though, so she’s older than him.
Dan: He’s older than Ryu and Ken, and Sakura calls him “Oji-san”, so he’s probably around 27 to 35 in the SFA series, making him 35 to 43 in the SF3 series.
Whew, hope I was of help!
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…OOOOOOKAY, I just found out that at the end of Evolution 2, Hinata hears that Sakura joined up with Ruby Heart for a team battle. So much for taking THOSE seriously. :eek:
[EDIT 2]
Okay, I went to check out the source. It seems that snowstorm says that Hinata makes the comment about Sakura and Ruby Heart in the 2nd Year School Festival, which would be Project Justice’s board game. But I see no mention whatsoever of Sakura or Ruby Heart in that translation file and find it extremely hard to believe in general. Bah, can’t that lousy 'flake be good for anything?
Thanks a lot TiamatRoar. You too sano. Hmm… I think I’ll go with the 35 year-old Guy for what I need since it would be sort of odd for Final Fight and Final Fight 2 to be in the same year. Hmmm…? I think I forgot to ask other things… oh right slaps head.
Was there ever any offical name given to Sodom’s hugh jass semi-truck?
Does anyone (besides Bison, Sagat, and Balrog) know what Vega actually does? I’m assuming that someone in Spain must have assumed something by now, especially considering he’s royalty (not ruling, but still came from an important family, correct?) and wasn’t there for a prolonged period of time. But my question pertains to just the actual Street Fighters.
No one has heard from any of the other dolls correct? Has Cammy even looked for them? Also, is there any connection between the number of dolls (excluding Cammy and Rose) that Bison made to the number of the mutants that Gill made? Or does Capcom just have some stupid fascination with the number 12?
Speaking of Twelve, do all the mutants look like him? Or are they more like Necro (whose far more human looking)?
How did Gill organize the Third Strike tournament if no one’s supposed to know about the Illumanti?
----- The next question don’t really need to be answered, they are just something that I noticed in TiamatRoar’s post.
Wait. With Ruby Heart? You mean the MvC2 Ruby Heart? I thought she was an original character though?
Wait. Isn’t self-taught still Saikyou? Or is that something else…?
Thanks a lot both of you.
Hmm… not that I know of, really But trucks and cars only get names like… sometimes (and usually by people infatuated with them), so I wouldn’t be surprised if it had no name at all.
Rose knows that Vega is from Shadaloo for some reason (actually, I wouldn’t be too surprised if she met him previously while she was Bison’s student, come to think of it). Zangief’s information (and thus Russia’s information) has pinpointed him to Shadaloo, too. Vega apparently tries to hide this because he denies that he’s affiliated with Shadaloo when Zangief says that he is in SFA3 when you play as Vega.
Cammy wouldn’t even remember them, really. In fact, no one (who’d care) would besides poooossibly Vega, it appears (and maybe Bison, though I imagine he thinks they’re dead). Cammy’s lost all memory so she wouldn’t be able to recall them. Judging by Juni’s ending, the most info on them that Chun-Li was able to scrape up was extremely minimal. As for the number of Dolls to the number of mutants… I think Capcom’s just being lazy and rehashing the concept of twelve controlled beings. Twelve’s intro with Necro is apparently the same thing as Juni & Juli’s intro when you fight them together (the other 11 falling down then dashing off). Oh wait, and Thunder Hawk. …I have no clue what happened with Thunder Hawk and Noembelu, though I’m inclined to think that he just found her and that she’s alive now with no memory of her past but living just fine and T. Hawk figured that was that and that thing was settled. Because it’d be mean to give T. Hawk that ending in SFA3 then have it by canon that he failed to find Noembelu (or that Noembelu died shortly after he found her, which would also be a slap in the face to Cammy’s “You will survive!” ending of rescuing the Dolls).
They all look like Twelve. It’s in Twelve’s intro vs Necro in Third Strike^^ In Urien’s SF3 DI ending, they all look like Necro, but I believe that’s because Twelve wasn’t designed by Capcom yet.
Beats me. Well, if the Illuminatti is an underground society, I imagine he had lots of connections since various members of the Illuminatti could be people in high places in the real world.
Yes. Which is precisely why you really can’t take Sakura’s role in the Rival Schools Evolution Simulation disks very seriously (or heck, the Evolution Simulation disks in general). At least, if Snowstorm’s statement about that Ruby Heart thing is true. However, in the translation guide of Project Justice’s board game (which is where Snowflake states that the thing is from), I can’t find any mention of Ruby Heart or Sakura… hrm.
Er… I don’t know? Where did you get Saikyou from? Sounds like Dan’s fighting style
Look at Dan’s A3 bio. Saikyo is also called the “The Strongest” there.
Sodom doesn’t try to use that word or imply that his style is the strongest. That would conflict with Dan’s goal to make Saikyo’s reputation world-renowned, and Sodom doesn’t have any business at all with, or care about, Dan in Alpha.
Oh right. Sorry. I kept thinking that it was a generic term for “self-taught style” but then I remembered to look my SF3A book and it translates “Saikyou-Ryuu” as the “Strongest Style”. :o
Sorry. For some reason I just thought there was a general term for style. I think it’s “jutsu” though… not really sure.
Oh, and TiamatRoar, if she means the Japanese-only board game of Project Justice, then she’s lying. I have a burned Japanese copy of Project Justice with the board game and there is neither a mention of nor sprite character of Ruby Heart on the chibi game board (which is quite entertaining actually).
Blech. Dumb snowstorm. Maybe she accidentally mistated the event then and meant RS Evo 2 or something (Which would make more sense, since I’m still pretty sure there’s no mention of Sakura whatsoever in the PJ board game).
Wow, you have the PJ board game and can actually understand it? Lucky! I found a translation guide at gamefaqs for it but it doesn’t have all the character meetings so I missed out on some developments that I really wanted to see, like Kurow and Zaki. Oi 
Ah well, anyways, while looking around for some RS info, I did indeed find that Batsu, Kyosuke, and Kurow are roughly the same age as Sakura, and Yurika a year older than Kurow, so that should set their ages for you if you’re going by Sakura’s involvement in RS giving RS it’s spot in the Street Fighter universe timeline
Wow, the Plot Guide’s still up. I don’t know if you can open it from the Coin-Op section at GFaqs still, but you can if you follow a direct link.
What would I do without the ‘Favorites’ option?
Yo, Tiamat! Did you forget Fighter Mania? I’ve got all the RS characters with ages there. Most characters are first-year students (15 years according to my Japanese dictionary) in RS1 and then second-year in PJ.
As for “Nancy”, there is a piece of artwork of Haggar holding a girl called Nancy. Don’t know why he would hold some other named girl we’ve never heard about.
Ack! Sorry, the obvious tends to fly right over my head, sometimes Well, at least I apparently got all the ages right, then.
Hey, gamefaqs fixed the direct linking thing! Before, they wouldn’t let you directly copy and paste but I guess now they do. Still think that miscellaneous coin op genre is a horrid place to put the thing, though.
Jutsu: Is that just general sword fighting? Sounds like something like ginsu, which involves knives.
Iie. I do have the PJ board game but the majority of what I understand are names of places and people (in kanji and number which I still can’t understand for the most part). I think I use the same translation thing as you even though I can still understand most of the things in context.
And, now that I think about, Kurow is probably the youngest person in PJ outside of Momo considering that he’s a first-year student and that his second-year sister in same grade as Akira, who is, by relation to the events of what happened in Rival Schools (1), in the same grade as everyone else (except the adults of course). Yeah…
Um… maybe Haggar’s a pedophile? Maybe she’s his bastard daughter (you can use bastard with a girl… I think)? Maybe she’s what/who Jessica was supposed to be? I think that that last one is probably the most probable one considering what seems to have happened to Gouken’s daughter (as in she dropped off the face of the Earth).
Approxmiately how old is the girl in the picture? If she’s a teenager, then I would go with that third one? If she’s older, then maybe his wife? If she’s younger, then… I would have to go with my first “option”.
I don’t think so. I think Ninjutsu is the most obvious example of a “jutsu” that doesn’t use sword fighting (for the most part). I know that there’s two “jutsu” fighters in KOF, and Whip is one of them; the style she uses is “souboujutsu” (I think), which was translated just as “whip-slashing”… There’s also gun-jutsu IIRC (which probably isn’t the name), which obviously uses guns for fighting. So I think maybe “jutsu” is just for a style that uses weapons… but then any fighting style can use weapon (and I’ll be damned if Chun-li’s bracelets aren’t weapons… but she uses Wu-shu, correct?..)
I’m confusing myself now. 
I’ll have do some actual research on fighting styles for once.
sighs
Chun-Li does Tai Chi.