Microphone is a mistranslation of Mike, isn’t he?
You can vote more than once just not at the same time. Come back later, or try a different PC. Well, that’s been my experience anyway.
I’ve voted for SF2 and SF3 Ryu and Chun-Li, later I’ll vote for Balrog(Ninja), Feilong and Remy when I translate their Kanjis. Heh, heh, heh!
I think so.
EDIT: The kanjis doesn’t seem to come out right when I post them. But anyway, I tried to get a better translation by putting spaces between the characters and got mixed results. I got Phosphorus for the one ranked 6th, which was translated as “Temporary it is.” Phosphorus doesn’t sound right as well. So I looked at that site TiamatRoar posted before with the Juni quotes, and found out it’s Karin. That’s quite off. :bluu:
I’ll try to get some idea of the rest of the names anyway.
Can any of you guys help me out here? I’m trying to explain to someone on the xbox forum that 1) ken is ethnically japanese and 2) ethnicity and nationality are 2 totally different things. I’m not having much luck.
Using AAC I’m able to translate most of the names, but to do all is daunting because the Votes keep on freaking chaniging! From what I can tell, looks like Capcom simplified it from the begining, as people are marked for SF2, SF3, Zero and SF1 and none of the in between games like SFA2 and so on. Though, this is at a quick glance.
At the very least, I can tell you who’s on top!
And, by the Time you read this the Vote may change…
- Chun-Li (SF2) 1,899
- Ryu (SF2) 398
- Sakura (Zero) 240
- Karin (Zero) 170
- Zangief (SF2) 168
- Ken (SF2) 156
- Gouki (SF2) 146
- Balrog (SF2) 128
- Nash (Zero) 121
- Guile (SF2) 121
- Chun-Li (SF3) 119
- Ryu (SF3) 115
- Makoto (SF3) 104
- Ibuki (SF3) 98
- Alex (SF3) 91
- Cammy (SF2) 86
- R.Mika (Zero) 78
- Remy (SF3) 76
- Yun (SF3) 66
- Elena (SF3) 62
Oh, and I’m using Japanese names here.
Adam*Warlock - Though I’m probably the least likely person who could help you out due to people here knowing more than I do, I just went through that whole Race/Ethnicity/Nationality stuff at mmcafe regarding Cammy and T.Hawk. If telling them that Ken has black hair but dies it blonde, his mother’s Japanese and his father’s 1/2 Japanese and he was basically raised in Japan and giving him the address to Tiamatroar’s Plot Guide in his Sig doesn’t help I can only suggest - Ignoring fools on the Internet is Key…
Juni is up to 39th. 
If people are close-minded to not believe anything in the Plot Guide even after showing evidence, then there’s no convincing them.
Yeah, I remember that! Hugo’s usually depicted as being very big. In the Ryu final Manga he was the size of a Gundam!
While I’m rather dissapointed with SVC so far, (granted, I haven’t played it) have you seen Hugo in that game? He’s pretty damn big!
Yeah, he’s about as big as Sent in MvC2! 
His sprite’s still VERY impressive though. He looks almost exactly the same as he does in SF3. Now they gotta either reduce the sprite sizes or back the screen a bit further away from the action.
I don’t know what SNK’s been smokin’ when they made Evil Ken. I can’t believe there are people stupid enough to think it’s a good idea. As for the SNK trolls, well, they’ll back up all of SNK’s actions no matter what. They’re idiots. It’s in their nature.
Tell me about it. KOF '96 vs. SF2 with a couple of Token Samurais and a few others. OOOKAY… that’s what I want to play in a vs. Game. This just makes me laugh at all the people who bashed CVS2 in the past.
If the SNK of old would of made the game it would of owned. SVC for the Neo Geo Pocket is an excellent game, but Playmore is very odd. Playmore could make some real money if they market the drugs they use.
Hey can’t Capcom include Final Fight chratcers into the mix?
I would like Dean in SF.
The Vote sure done changed! Current Top Ten using Japanese Names -
- Chun-Li (SF2) 2735
- Ryu (SF2) 641
- Sakura (Zero) 458
- Karin (Zero) 389
- Zangief (SF2) 365
- Balrog (SF2) 351
- Ibuki (SF3) 315
- Ken (SF2) 313
- Nash (Zero) 296
- Guile (SF2) 295
Well, hasn’t changed a lot but Ibuki’s gone way up!
This person’s starting to get really persistent. Hey, does anyone know a lot about shotokan karate so I know what to make of this?
“Note that even not having the Shun Goku Satsu, Ryu, Ken, Sakura and Sean are listed ‘Ansatsukeners’. Ansatsuken is a generic term, and bla, bla, bla, but they must not have it… Thinking about this, finally I’ve understanded what is Goutetsu’s Ansatsuken and what it style have.
Capcom of Japan said that Goutetsu was the creator of Hadouken, Shoryuken and Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku. He learned Shotokan Karate and improved it, adding this moves to this style. It is the Ansatsuken of Goutetsu, passed to Gouki (Akuma) and Gouken. Gouken passed to Ryu, Ken and Dan. Sakura learned watching Ryu and Sean learned watching Ken.
And yes, this moves are created to kill. Maybe not Hadouken and Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku, but Shoryuken is. In SF1, if used closed, the Shoryuken simple let the opponent to the ground, ending the matching (whaw!!!).
Ansatsuken not have a ligation with Satsui no Hadou (maybe have, in the SF Alpha OVA Gouken said “Our style was created to kill”, refering to Satsui no Hadou of Ryu). Satsui no Hadou have a ligation of Shun Goku Satsu, a move that Gouken NOT passed to your pupils (but that awakened in Ryu)
Ryu and Ken are not seems like Shotokaners in the begin, but in the sequels of SF series they gain movies representing thje style (like the punches and elbow smashes with a large movement of Ryu and the “crazy” kicks of Ken). Sakura have a proposital diference and Sean too. In SF3 Ryu gain the Ushiro Geri, your powerfull kick and common move of Shotokan Karate (I’m a karateka of this style).
But see that they Ansatsuken never was changed. Always they have Hadouken, Shoryuken and Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku. This is the Ansatsuken of Goutetsu.”
Errr… not that I can make much sense out of that dude’s excellent Grammar Skills, but if you watch the SFA Anime in Japanese with Subtitles you can hear Gouken use the word “Ansatsuken” when Manga video mistranslates the line as “Our style was meant to kill” or whatever. He’s clearly not talking about SNH in that sentence.
Well, that clarifies two things, at least. A) His comment about the SFAlpha anime is wrong. And B) I’m not the only one having trouble understanding what he’s trying to say with those grammar skills of his (I’m thinking maybe English isn’t his first language). So I guess that’s some progress and a start. Thanks! Now to see if I can figure out any more of this…
I can’t figure out what he’s trying to say at all. What is the context of the message? Are you two in some debate of sorts?
It kind of sounds like he’s trying to argue about the relationship that Ansatsu-ken and Shotokan karate have, but this should be a no-brainer.
I think he’s trying to say that Ryu and Ken USED to be only ansatsukan as taught by Gouken, but then later picked up shotokan moves. I’m not sure, either. This guy’s been trying to tell me that Ryu and Ken’s style has been shotokan for a long time, now ^^; His reasoning at first was obviously faulty (such as Iinchyo practicing some shotokan while her fighting style is saikyo which is apparently the same as Dan’s based off Ryu and Ken’s ansatsukan), though it’s gotten a lot more… confusing as of late :sweat
OK… then isn’t his argument rendered moot anyway? He himself already stated that Ansatsu-ken is a generic term, so what’s the problem. I would just tell him that Goutetsu’s Ansatsu-ken is influenced by various style of karate (vs. Gen’s which is more Kung-fu oriented) so it would only make sence that Ryu and Ken could and would understand Shotokan techniques and styles as well and incorporate some of it into their repetoire.
This is just redundant. We already know that Hadou, Shoryuu, Tatsumaki, and SGS are the four hallmarks of Goutetsou’s styles. Those are the elements unique to his Ansatsu-ken because they were of his creation. Gouken taught Ryu and Ken more than just that three special moves, he taught them everything that they knew about fighting. If he’s trying to say that they should be considered shoto’s than I don’t understand why he added this last sentence, it basically defeats his argument. I honestly don’t understand why he’s wasting your time nitpicking over terms, it’s useless.
The only thing that I would ask him about is Makoto. Since he says that he studies Shotokan karate, I would like to know what he thinks about her style. From what I’ve heard, it resembles real shotokan karate more than Ryu’s style, which is more of conglomeration of styles.
Okay, stuff in the quotes and with the “>”'s is my written e-mail to him and the other stuff is his reply.
“> Er… I’m having a little trouble understanding some of this. I imagine > that English is not your first language, am I correct? Regarding that ICQ > conversation you e-mailed me a while back, I honestly am having a lot of
> trouble figuring out what’s being said there^^;”
Oh yes! I’m Brazilian ^^ And sorry!
"The other stuff I can > marginally understand to a point, though. Well, anyways, you do bring up a > couple good points. I brought it up to some of my friends who probably know > this stuff better than me, and I do have one correction. In the SFA anime, > Gouki clearly says “Ansatsukan” in the Japanese version of the anime, not
> “Our style was meant to kill”. It’s just the US version where it was > translated into “Our style was meant to kill” for some reason.
Maybe in Japanese he said “Our style is a Ansatsuken”, because in a Japanese site (without influence of Capcom of America) I read that "The assassination fist which is transmitted from the Japanese ancient times becoming the basis, it is It is close to karate as a style of that assassination fist."
No have a mention of Kenpo, Koppo, Judo or Tae Kwon Do… The style is karate, only… I believe that you should update your FAQ with this information…
Akuma/Ryu/Ken maybe use various karate… Shotokan, Goju-ryu, Kyokushinkai and more
“Also, I > don’t know whether or not the SF2 Animated Movie accurately portrays SF > character movements. Only the SFZero OVA was stated to.> Anyways, another person mentioned that Ryu and Ken’s (and Gouki’s and > Gouken’s and Goutetsu’s etc etc etc) ansatsukan was made up and influenced > by multiple forms of karate, including shotokan, and that should have been a > no-brainer that went without saying (course, I myself am only loosely versed > in the art of fighting, myself, so I wouldn’t know). And the consensus also > was that Gouken taught Ryu and Ken pretty much everything he knew, which > included all those shotokan-ish moves as well as whatever other types of > karate are in there. I guess it’s similar to how Gen’s style is listed as
> “ansatsukan” but in actuality, he melds together and practices all sorts of > fighting styles within it such as the crane, snake, mantis, scorpion, and > all those other animal named styles. But then, that’s why Ansatsukan is > called a general term, I suppose.”
It’s right, but in your FAQ you said: “Surprise! Akuma did NOT fight shotokan”… It’s wrong… The Akuma Ansatsuken are based in various forms of karate, and Gen’s ansatsuken are based in various forms of Kung Fu… Akuma not fight Judo (your throws coming from shotokan), Koppo, Kenpo or Tae Kwon Do. The Japaneses said that the Ansatsuken of Gouki/Ryu/Ken are based on karate style, only.
>
> I’ve been trying to confirm more about Makoto and shotokan, actually. I > think your statements kinda confirmed that she practices it, though that > paragraph was a bit hard to understand, too, due to an odd use of > negatives^^;
Sorry, again! ^^"
But I’ve said that she style not have the principal move of shotokan: Giaku Zuki. This move is a punch created to knockout the enemy, to win using a one blow. Paul, Allen and Ryo have this move. Ryu/Ken have the Dragon Punch (remember, in SF1 this move damage all the life of the enemy)…
And think about I said: "If the style of Ryu/Ken not used to kill, why it called Ansatsuken? I believe that Gouken not learned and not transmited to your pupils the art of Shungokusatsu/Satsui no Hadou. Goutetsu was the creator of Hado, Shoryu and Tatsumaki. In a magazine of games of 1994, when Akuma was created, is said that “Hadouken, Shoryuken and Tatsumaki was created to kill”. And the magazine says that “Gouken RETIRED the killing spirit of the moves, but Gouki have this spirit. The Fire Hadouken of Gouki hiting three times, your Shoryuken too and your Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku is the best version of the game.”
/End E-mail
I’m thinking I should at least tell him that while I’m willing to trust licensed books and gaming mooks, random Japanese websites that didn’t seem like they were fully going into details about things anyways aren’t exactly a source I’d prefer to use. Other than that… er, dunno.