Hugo may be strong but he isn’t that fast. Alex may have a pretty long time taking Hugo down, but still Hugo went down.
I do believe that Hugo is strong to be able to take anything, but he’s not that fast to dish damage.
The only real way to tell who’s stronger between Hugo and Alex is through Ryu.
Ryu vs Hugo
Ryu brought out the Shin-shoryuken, a move that would kill someone that wasn’t strong enough to take the hit.
Ryu vs Alex
Ryu didn’t even break a sweat beating Alex.
I think it’s fairly obvious what would happen if Alex and Hugo fought.
Alex isn’t THAT spry, himself, I always thought. Yea, he’s faster than Hugo, but I don’t think he’s fast enough to dodge Hugo long enough to knock Hugo out… heck, I’d say even a low tier Doll would have a better chance against Hugo if you’re talking a ‘dodge attacks all day’ strategy…
Also, if Hugo has parry ability, that chance for him to counter attack Alex’s attacks probably WILL come eventually…
Heck, storyline-wise, it’s possible that Hugo doesn’t have to parry at all and a punch won’t even make him flinch, thus he’ll just take the hit then grab…
Random: Revising the tiers section of the guide for clarification purposes. Does this sound good? There are some assumptions here that I forget if they were official statements or not (Chun-Li being the strongest woman in the world, Dictator Vega, Sagat, Spaniard Balrog, and Boxer Bison being the strongest warriors in Shadaloo in that order, was Guile officially stated to be equal to Chun-Li?, etc). Also, I imagine that’s probably a heck of a lot more behind some characters’ positions than I know of (Saiki made these tiers, and he knows a heck of a lot more than I do, after all), so characters that I state to be unsure probably aren’t unsure at all, but this was the best I could come up with.
Tier 1: This tier should be obvious. Gill, especially, with his fire and ice creation, angel powers, and his last boss towering
status. Akuma should be, too. By SF3, the guy can destroy mountains, islands, and stay in deep ocean for crying out loud.
And Oro beat Ryu in the SF3 tournament, and that was despite being handicapped by binding his arm. The guy’s become
powerful enough to live to 150 years or so… I won’t go into a deeper analysis due to how obvious this tier is. Who specifically
is the best among Gill, Oro, and Akuma is up in the air, but eh, tiers aren’t supposed to be THAT specific.
Tier 2
M. Bison: Akuma can beat him in SF2. Whether Akuma could have beaten him during SFA3 where he was stronger (and
Akuma was most likely weaker), not sure, but in his last state, he generally goes here from all known factual evidence
(unknown stuff like how he lost the SF2 tournament or even if he DID since we don’t know when Akuma killed him aren’t
being considered here since… well, it’s unknown). He’s definately high up, though. His weakened body wasn’t weakened to
the point where he’d really really plummet in the tiers, and during Alpha 3 it took a rather ludicrous amount of consecutive
battles against multiple opponents to finally take him down.
Ryu: Seen by Oro as the one with the potential to be trained, generally considered a legend (see Makoto’s statements about
him), whomped Alex easily in Third Strike, only lost the SF3 tournament because he went up against the godly Oro and even then still impressed the old guy, etc etc. This one should be pretty obvious.
Evil Ryu: A major point of Ryu’s SFA3 storyline is that he could follow the path to warrior perfection without giving in to the
Satsu no Hadou. Even though Evil Ryu was really high up back then, the reason regular Ryu is on the same tier is due to Ryu’s
revelations since then. He has now managed to reach what he could have been had he given in. Generally shown by Ryu
promptly telling Akuma that Satsu no Hadou is not the way in SF3. Er… yea. It’s mostly implied as far as I know, but the
implications are more than enough to place the two into this tier with enough certainty.
Sagat: Although he was too obsessed with revenge and unfocused during Alpha, by the end of Alpha 3, he has realized the
error of his ways and is now on the path to the true warrior. All statements and storyline implications from there on are that
Sagat is matching Ryu step for step in progress as they await their glorious battle, so it’s really easy to tier Sagat here. Note
that this is Sagat in his most present state, not most present state since when he was last seen in a game, since unlike other
characters, it’s easy to estimate where Sagat is even without seeing him due to all the statements and implications.
Q: Q is marked as ‘hinted’ because there’s no way to really gauge his tier, what with him having no interactions with anyone
else in the storyline. But he’s a robot, and those are typically always powerful, and the effects of his moves sure look darn
powerful. So as a guestimate, he gets to be in this tier. Though again, it’s mostly a guess.
Tier 3
Rose: She’s M. Bison lite. She’s the only character in Alpha that was actually able to give Bison a somewhat decent match
one-on-one. But… she still lost, so she’s a tier lower. Rose could put up a fight against Alpha Bison (well, actually, she WON
in Alpha 2. Only ‘lost’ in Alpha 3) while Chun-Li got owned for free in Alpha 2, and since there really isn’t much to indicate
that Chun-Li improved THAT much since Alpha, Rose gets to be a tier higher. Chun-Li only started being called the strongest
woman in the world since SF2, after Rose was gone.
Ken: Ryu states to Ken in SF3 that he still has the better win record. But the way he says it indicates that it’s still pretty close.
Thus Ken gets this tier. Pretty obvious, I think.
Gen: I think it’s hard to decide whether he’s in tier 2 or tier 3, but he’s definately up there. Gen was able to fight Akuma to a
standstill in Alpha, after all. He’s definately not as good as the further trained Akuma of SF3, though (Gen of course being
most likely unable to further train because he’s most likely dead). I’d be really surprised if he (and thus even Akuma during that
time) was as strong as “I take on tons of people by myself” SFA3 Bison, so… generally tier 3 for him.
Charlie: Charlie is the US Martial Arts champion. Took down Bison in SFA3, albeit with a little help. What mainly puts him
here with certainty instead of circumstantiality though I believe is how he’s better than Guile (even SF2 Guile). Charlie’s ki
manipulation is implied to be right up there with Ryu and other top-notch fighters. He can shoot sonic booms from any of his
limbs, even his feet (something that Guile needs LOTS of concentration to do. It takes Guile two hands and officially stated all
his focus just to throw one sonic boom). Since Guile, at least based on what we can think of, comes into the tier below, and
Charlie is definately above Guile, even without the circumstantial evidence, we can generally place Charlie in this tier.
Urien: Like Gen, I’m personally not sure if he should be in Tier 2 or Tier 3, but he’s up there. He’s better than Chun-Li (he’s
only toying with her in SF3 Third Strike after all) and definately lower than Gill (Gill doesn’t even have to take him seriously and
his power compared to Urien’s is one of the many things Urien is jealous of, of course).
Tier 4
Guile: Most likely winner of the SF2 tournament. If you decide to ignore that, then there’s also the way in how he’s
storyline-wise more interwoven and more ‘important’ than most of the other SF2 characters, and they typically get favored in
the storyline power tiers. And I believe he’s meant to be the same power as Chun-Li, but I forget^^; Whatever the case, he’s
been training really hard since SFA3, though Charlie in SFA3 was still most likely better than him (see Charlie in Tier 3 for
reasons). He isn’t progressing any more because he gave up fighting after SF2 to be a family man.
Chun-Li: Weaker than Rose but after Rose died then come SF2, is called the strongest woman in the world, thus gets to be
above the other female characters in the next tier. That was easy. …er, going further, Chun-Li isn’t any higher because she quit
the ICPO and generally retired from fighting and training after SF2 (course, after SF3, she trains OTHERS, but that’s another
story). Anyways, Capcom has stated that she’s the strongest woman in the world during SF2, so it’s not just the opinion of the
SF tournament audience (or whatever) that she is.
Hugo: Actually rather surprising he’s up here, but all the facts point to it. Note that SF3 is a very long time after Final Fight, so
Hugo losing to Guy and Cody and Haggar repeatedly isn’t really a consideration. At any rate, Hugo is officially stated to have
withstood the shin shoryuken against Ryu, which is officially stated to be one of the most powerful moves in the world, so right
there you know he’s a really strong guy. He is also officially stated to have made ‘an amazing performance’ in the SF3
tournament, which probably means he’s generally above the majority of the SF3 characters (he lost the tournament due to going
up against Ryu, of course. Where else would he get whacked with that shin shoryuken?). As for who is better, Hugo or Alex,
well, Hugo withstanding the shin shoryuken means that he probably put up a better fight against Ryu than Alex did. He
withstood an attack that officially could kill someone (Yea, Ryu’s style isn’t designed to kill, but that doesn’t mean it can’t kill
due to the sheer damage alone) compared to Alex, who Ryu didn’t even break a sweat fighting against. That would probably
earn him a tier spot higher. Ryu still beat him somewhat soundly, though, so he’s definately not up in Ken’s tier.
Vega: Cammy’s love-hate rival is generally better than her, and almost positively let her win in their fight in SFA3. Therefore,
Vega’s a tier higher than Cammy. Easy. He’s also a better fighter within Shadaloo than Balrog, I believe (not sure if it was
officially stated. I think it was, but I forget). He doesn’t go any higher because that would place him on Gen’s level, which
seems pretty darn silly. Capcom doesn’t go around praising his ability like they do for Charlie. Course… a harder more
definitive proof might just be simply that Rose beats him in A3.
Tier 5. Everyone else who managed to cut it.
Guy and Cody: Hard to tier, IMHO. They can beat Sodom and Rolento, obviously. They can also beat a whole
bunch of the Mad Gear gang, but it’s important to remember that they did not fight through Final Fight alone and also that it’s
wholly possible and likely that the SF universe follows the laws of anime (IE, any generic bad guy is really weak and easy to
beat up by most any semi-important character), thus the fact that they can take out most of the Mad Gear scrubs isn’t a very
good gauge, either. Guy, even though he is a Bushin master, is still equal to Cody even during SFA3, though, so at least it’s definate that they’re on the same tier. But
storyline-wise, neither has ever really gone up against any of the really high tier Street Fighter characters, so this is the best
guess we can get to place them unless more comparative info ever comes in.
Adon: Strong enough to beat Sagat in SFA2. Sagat may have been unfocused, but he was still powerful. There aren’t many
other matches to use to tier him with hard core certainty, but beating SFA2 Sagat and being the new Muy Thai Emperor should
be enough to give him this tier.
Sakura: She’s better than Karin. It’s officially stated that her chi manipulation is equal to Ken’s during SFA3. The girl’s
ridiculously gifted and able to learn Ryu’s moves just by watching him. If Sakura continued training on and on after SFA3, she
could really be something. Unfortunately, since SFA3 was so incredibly long ago, and Sakura’s future still highly up in the air
(highschool is really a bit too early in life to get that hard a bead on one’s future, I think), the tier can really only go by her last
seen position (unlike Sagat, where it’s shown that he’s still in the game after SF2 and his determination to stay on level with Ryu
is further emphasized). Anyways, Chun-Li is the strongest woman in the world so Sakura is below her, regardless. Oh, and
judging from SFA3, she can beat Honda, so she gets to be higher than him.
Balrog: Can kill an elephant with his bare hands. Generally among the top fighters in Shadaloo (not sure if it was officially
stated, though I think it was… it’s implied, at least) and thus higher than the Dolls. Probably weaker than Vega, so here he
goes. Even if he’s an idiot, he’s still armed with ‘the world’s strongest punches’…
Cammy: She’s better than the other Dolls but weaker than Vega. …wow, that was easy.
Zangief: A bit hard to tier, but being implied to be Russia’s greatest warrior should account for something. He’s better than R.
Mika (it seems he goes easy on her in SFA3 and all), and R. Mika is most likely better than Dan, so Zangief gets to go here.
On a random note, I have no clue where Haggar (or any other Final Fight exclusive character, really) fits in, here. Even Cody
and Guy, who weren’t exclusive to only Final Fight, are hard to tier. Can’t even decide whether or not Haggar is on Zangief’s
level because the two never even met in person, after all, so there’s no interaction to use to compare.
T. Hawk: He can beat (and most likely actually has beaten) the Doll Noembelu. …another easy one.
Dhalsim: Loses to Ryu (at least, implied by one of Ryu’s SF3 win quotes). A bit hard to tier, but he’s been going around doing
lots of good things for the world and has that fire power granted by the gods and such. There might be more that I should
poke Saiki for, but overall, this is a pretty good guess, I think. He retired from fighting after SF2, by the way.
Alex: Alex is better than all the other SF3 characters (besides heavy hitters like Ryu and Oro, who he never had to fight) as
can be seen by him winning the SF3 tournament. However, he’s still not really that high up since Ryu beat him VERY easily in
Third Strike. Thus he only gets to be a tier higher than where the other SF3 characters go. He’s below Hugo even though the two never fought because Hugo actually put up a fight against Ryu.
Tier 6: The extras
Basically everyone else but Dan and generic Shadaloo soldiers (who are officially stated to be skilled but weaker than the
Dolls) go here. Hard to tier among them exactly mainly due to lack of existance of factual comparative data for a large
majority of them. At any rate, though, they’re definately weaker than everyone else above them. Karin loses to Sakura, the
Dolls lose to Rose, Cammy, and T. Hawk, E. Honda loses to Sakura, every SF3 character not above this tier loses to Alex or
Hugo, etc.
Tier 7
Come on, Dan might be the weakest Street Fighter but he IS still a trained martial artist with at least SOME ki manipulation,
even if it’s rather pathetic 
It’s just that everyone else you can play as in the SF world aren’t exactly supposed to be weak,
storyline-wise, themselves. Since he’s at least good enough to exist as a playable character (who actually can fight somewhat,
even if inferior to everyone else), he gets to be placed at at least equal level with the nameless Shadaloo martial artist goons.
Those guys, of course, are officially stated to be skilled but weaker than the Dolls. I’m not sure if it was officially stated that
Dan is the weakest Street Fighter, storyline-wise (I feel that it probably was, though), but the implications are definately
everywhere.
hmm… I thought Sean was the weakest, but his hadou Burst can travel further then Dan’s Shinkuu Gadouken.
It’s possible that Capcom thinks of Sean as the weakest as a joke on how Dan was supposed to be weakest. Seems to be the direction they’re going in, so maybe Sean will be below Dan.
The joke being, of course, that Sean says “I am not Dan!” and is right. He’s worse.
Oh yea, also including in the tiers synopsis how Balrog most likely beat Birdie in SFA3. Small thing, but… erm, yea.
I’m confused here… wasn’t it stated that Alex beat Ryu in the SF3 tournament? And that Alex won the tournament?
Still, it’s a shame about Sean. He was initially designed to be quite competent and a worthy next-generation Goutetsu-ryu fighter. Even gameplay-wise, he was a solid character in Second Impact.
This is the reason I hate tier listings not by the game developers/game makers.
I admit Hugo is hella stronger than most of the cast.
But I firmly believe Alex is way better. The “Hugo withstanding the ShinShoryuken” shows Hugo has alot of stamina, strength and endurance. It doesn’t show that he was good. If he was good, he would’ve just parried or yet dodge the freakin’ move.
Alex is good, but not yet in Ryu’s level, and maybe that was the reason Alex lost.
As reasoning goes X beats Y, Y beats Z, but it doesn’t mean X could beat Z.
But that’s not the reasoning. The reasoning is X worked hard to beat Y. X beat Z with his eyes closed. Y is better than Z. And I aslo thought Oro fought Ryu so Ryu didn’t get to fight Alex?
I have really been enjoying everyone’s opinions on power I do have one comment to make though. I don’t think just because he took a Shinshoryuken that makes Hugo better than Alex. First we don’t know what type of shape Hugo was in after the move. He could have had broken ribs, on the verge of unconsciousness, we don’t know. Second yes it apparaed that Ryu had an easier time with Alex but that still does not mean Hugo is better. Alex’s fighting style could be easier for Ryu to counter and see openings, but that does not mean Hugo would see or be able to exploit the same openings. It’s just like in the arcade there have been times I have destoryed players, but then had a harder time with the player that just got onwed by the person i just beat. And third he fought Hugo in Second Impact and Alex in Third Strike so we don’t know how much Ryu improved over that time. Look at Gouki in between games he learned how to destroy mountains just keep that in mind. Holla!!!
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I don’t think Hugo would have “made an amazing performance” during the Street Fighter 3 tournament if all he really was to Ryu was a really durable punching bag… he had to have at least put up some of a fight.
Considering how skilled Ryu is, I doubt Alex could have parried the shinshoryuken, either. Alex DID get WHOMPED and his ass whupped by Ryu EASILY, after all…
Isn’t Alex mainly just a rookie with lots of potential, anyways? I forget.
And no, Alex never fought Ryu during the SF3 tournament. Ryu was officially stated to be beaten by Oro. Alex’s first experience with fighting Ryu was in Third Strike, and as you can see from his ending, he really didn’t do very well at all.
Yeah, it can travel further… but isnt the hadou burst where he throws a basketball at you?? sure, its a really fast basketball, but I think that anyone can throw a basketball, dont you?
Regarding what Capcom said about one character returning for SF4 - Personally, I don’t really listen to anything Capcom says about a Game that’s not in Development and not on their minds just yet. Also, Capcom’s opinions are easily swayed by the Japanese Public. Look at the SF3 series. First, we only got Ryu and Ken. Then, we got Gouki and then we got Chun-Li.
If I could settle on the fewest amount of characters returning for SF4, I’d pick Sagat and Ryu. Their rematch is long overdue and with Sagat saying that their battle will be “worthy of the Gods” in SF2 Revival, it only makes me want to see it more! Oh, and if Chun-Li gets stuck in some background or shows up in someone’s ending, that might ease the pain, a bit. Until then, let the unofficial vs. games with Ryu and Chun-Li continue!
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Whoah! I checked with AAC and major plot twist Hugo isn’t Andore! Nowhere in Hugo’s bio I could find the name Andore, and it’s not listed as his full name. His only appearances in fighting games are SFA3 (the billboard on Cody’s stage, NOT the character on Guy’s stage), SF3:2I and SF3:3S. From what I can tell, he left wrestling and ultimate fighting to enter the SF tournament in search of a team mate.
Andore on the other hand appears in SFA (Sodom’s ending), SFA2 (Guy’s stage) and SFA3 (Guy’s stage), plus Final Fight Revenge. Yep, that’s not Hugo in that game.
I guess Saiki will have to clear this up, but it appears that they’re completely separate characters.
Tiamat: Okeydokey.
Cabron: The Hadou Burst is Sean’s SA#1, where he throws a one-hit very fast ki projectile at you. Did anyone notice that Sean’s Hadou Burst looks exactly like Chun-Li’s OG Kikouken? Easter egg or laziness, I guess.
Hugo and Andore - I noticed the same thing in AAC myself but chose to ignore it, since thinking that it’s the same guy makes life easy.
I thought they were just palat swaps in FF.
Hey I have question, but I think Ive asked before, so if I have please forgive me.
I was playing Marvel vs Street Fighter recently and I was wondering about something.
The way that certain fighters manipulate their ki/chi in the game looks so much more explosive and powerful in those games, like for instance Chun Li’s Kikou Shou or Ryu’s Shinkuu Hadouken, and I was wondering is that the ultimate potential of that certain characters power/ki/chi or whatever?
Or were those games just made to look more flashy?
Me personaly I think it looks cool, like Ryu’s normal Hadouken/fireball animation in those games looks alot better than it does in the others, maybe because it makes it look diffrient than all the other characters fireballs.
Oh yeah,
1000th POST!!!
Its a milestone.
YAY!!! We hit 1,000 posts again, just like before when the Old Thread got wiped out!
I remember my last post on the old Warrior’s Thread. I was happy to read Saiki’s latest Post over their saying that Ryu, Chun-Li, Sakura and Ken were all good friends. I said something like, with new info like this popping up, “this Thread will never end!” Then came the crash. For a while there I thought I jinxed everybody. But you know what, not even loosing 1,200 Posts could keep this Thread down! We’ve had our slow periods when we thought the Thread was about to die, but we always manage to survive. Big up to Fistofury for starting the Thread, Saiki for reviving it, Tiamatroar for the Plot Guide that has most of the info that got wiped out, Clay, HcParker, Ultima, GF2, Berias, TAS, God of Death, Golden Dragon, Golden Hell, Siegfreid, el cabron and a lot of people I’m forgetting but everyone who’s posted here! Except maybe for Chun-he…
Their are a lot more people deserving than me who I want to hear speeches from like last time we hit 1,000!
Back on topic, I always thought that the SFers Ki manipulation in the Vs. games were done as such so it could look like the Capcomers had a chance in hell fighting against guys like Magneto and Apocalypse. I suppose in that reality Ki Manipulation is a lot more powerful.
SIDE NOTE - In the unofficial EX games, Kairi’s Level 3 Super looks just like Ryu’s Vs. Game Shinku Hadoken. Maybe, it’s possible in that reality? Than again, a lot of the level 3 Supers in EX are very silly… Can’t remember in EX2, but in EX3 Kairi’s Level 3 Super is so tough that after throwing it he falls to the ground weakened.