Yeah, Second Impact’s the Tourney, Third Strike’s the Epilogue.
I’m assuming that Hugo was defeated by Ryu in Double Impact which is why he never faced Alex. Then again, The intro to Second Impact is a heavy indication that Hugo did fight Alex, (the SF2 Revival intro leads me to beleive that Ryu and Ken fought, then again, the SF2 Alpha intro has Ryu and Ken doing a double Hadoken and this never happened story-line wise so…) so maybe Ryu fought Hugo in Third Strike? Headache from to much thinking…
It’s hard to tell when Ryu and Hugo faced off exactly. As of now, there is know way of us knowing. The same goes for Urien and Alex. I have no idea what Urien did in the tourney, if he was even in it. He could have lost to Oro, I suppose, he doesn’t strike me as the type of person who would throw a match. Perhaps he was just working behind the scenes. Also, Hugo and Alex seem to have a grudge against each other, but we don’t know if they ever met in 2i. All things being equal, I don’t think that Alex could beat Hugo yet. Maybe he will improve over time, but he seems a little raw. Tom might be able to, though.
I think that some people aren’t giving Hugo enough credit. It was stated that he was a big surprise in 2i and that he gave a phenomonal performance. Final Fight came 10 years before 2i. I think that Hugo’s improved in that time.
Q’s a wild card, but I would rank him pretty high. He has a lot going for him. He’s a hidden character (hidden characters are usually very powerful), his supers are very strong, has excellent defence (no skeleton either? what is he exactly?). Also, according the FBI, he has been linked to multiple world wide events/catastrophies that all took place within the span of a day or two. Wish I knew more about him.
My only other comment is that I don’t really like seeing Ryu in a tier by himself. I think that most characters are close enough that each tier should have at least 2-3 people in it. People don’t have to be exactly equal in ability to be placed in the same tier, just in close proximity to each other. It’s okay for two characters to be in the same tier, even if one is considered marginally better. It think that Ken and Urien are being overlooked. Ryu may be better than Ken, but I don’t think that there is a large enough degree of separation between the two to warrant two separate tiers. In the overall view of the SF world, I can see Ryu and Ken in different tiers, but for one tourney, I think that they are still close enough to group together.
I’ll post my thoughts next.
-Clay
PS I’d like to know what other people think of Twelve. I tend to think that he would be fairly strong, not like Urien, but I think that he is better than Necro. I’d like to here some opinions on the subject. Like most of SF3, there aren’t really any concrete facts about it/them.
Thoughts:
-Gouki and Oro could be considered to be about equal. Gill could be even better than both of them. No real questions here.
-Ryu, Urien, and Ken are heads and shoulders better than most of the others. Ken is definately at the bottom of this group, but he’s still better than the rest of the cast. Q is a wild card. No problems here.
-This is where it starts to get messy. I honestly don’t like putting Chun here. I know that Capcom heavily favors her, but I have a hard time putting her up here with Hugo and Alex. I’d rather include her with Dudley and Remy (though I think that she is better than them). I really think that Chun gets too much credit.
I still think that Hugo’s better than Alex. Twelve should probably be one step lower, but I never see it get any respect so I put it there to attract some attention.
-This isn’t in any particular order. I hate this group because they aren’t really well developed and that makes them hard to rank. I think that Necro, Elena, and Ibuki are at the bottom.
-Sean is arguably worse than Dan. Sure Dan was a joke character, but 3s Sean is a joke. Capcom went out of its way to show this as well (both gameplay and storyline wise). He could have been better than this.
Overall, I don’t like the way that this is grouped at all. In fact, in my head, I see things a lot differently, but it’s harder to show on the forums. Anyhoo, I’ll just leave this up so that others can comment, complain, nitpick, or do whatever it is that makes them content.
-Clay
I think Twelve is overlooked. his XCOPY super shows what a punk he can be, especially when one considers his damage is greater than the character he mimics (that might be an in-game convention only). He/It must be very-well made. Being a creation of Gill’s country, I think we would expect him to be quite a bit stronger than previous “evil corporation” goons, like Shadoloo dolls (no offense Tiamat! )
I like the idea of Q up there with the big guns. I hope we will see more of this character.
As far as tier 1 goes, I’m leaning slightly toward Gill being the most powerful, but for me this is based mostly off his 3S ending for the DC. If they were going to end the SF storyline, Gill’s is the “happiest” ending. He’s definitely not evil like Vega was.
Poor Sean. Sucks how he got the shaft, huh? As far as Sean being weaker than Dan, whoah, that’s kind of a dire statement, isn’t it?
The fact that Gill can survive a Shungokusatsu (Second Impact, if you get to fight Gouki) may very well make him stronger than Gouki by a hair, but, since this didn’t officially happen like Gen surviving the Shungokusatsu it’s hard to rank. Remember when Gouki did this to Vega way back in SF2? Sometimes Vega would lie there like if he was dead, other times he would just lie there dazed. Officially he dies, though.
Personally, I think Gouki’s stronger than Gill only by a hair. Mostly due to his popularity. Popularity is a factor. Look at how high Chun-Li is with Capcom giving her such a Power Boost, and I never see Deejay on any Tier lists…
Yeah, I wonder if we’ll ever really get to see just how strong Gill really is. As of now, I think that he probably is better than Gouki and Oro, though it may be close. I’d like to see if anybody else would be able to compete with him. As for Twelve, he’s pretty underrated, imo. The ability to change the consistency/density of his body is pretty impressive as well. I hope that it/they aren’t thrown away with the rest of the 3s cast. It has a lot of potential. Last, I don’t mean to rip on Sean so much, it’s just that he’s soooo bad in 3s. Even in his ending he’s pathetic. I wonder if he’ll just end up being a dead end.
-Clay
Necro and Twelve - Twelve’s only purpose in Third Strike is to hunt down Necro, so this fight has to go down and Necro has to win because he’s still on the run. X.C.O.P.Y’s no joke, but at least in the game he can only copy who’s standing right in front of him. Now, if he could turn into Gouki/Gill/Oro/Urien whenever he wanted to sans their Super Arts, he’d be a force to be reconned with. Don’t know if he can officially. I like Twelve better then Necro personally. Just my opinion.
At least, Gen prevented the Shun Goku Satsu from affecting him. Gill was affected by the full force of the move and was killed. (or was he?) He simply resurrected himself. take note Shin Gouki did this, so he must be much more powerful. (if that’s the case, how would Gouki kill him?)
Hmm. . . Maybe Gouki should have white hair in SF4. (check out his alternate costume in MSHvSF)
Twelve should rank higher, he doesn’t feel pain.
Does the Shin Shoryuken actually kill people? Can Gill be left standing after getting hit by this? Hmm. . .
:eek: What’s the deal with these 2 cents? Those this mean that we have to pay for all our posts?
It was Shin Gouki. “Player” Gouki wouldn’t make an appearance in the storyline per se, unless he was going soft on someone.
Ryu could kill someone with it, but I doubt it was designed to do that. Still, if your constitution isn’t very good, I image getting hit with it will kill you.
I shudder at the thought of Twelve losing to Necro. Twelve’s just so much cooler than Necro at nearly every aspect, that I’d rather see the poor sap (Necro) die. I know that Twelve doesn’t get much respect, but I’m gonna root for him/it anyway.
Somebody sounds a little bitter. J/K:D
Of course, who knows if we’ll ever even get SF4 anyway. I’ll take what I can get and try not to complain too much.
Yeah, quality posts like mine don’t come cheap.
It’s just a saying; putting in your $0.02 = giving your thoughts on a subject.
-Clay
Well, I’m serious about that, too. Street Fighter 2 even didn’t have many characters returning from Street Fighter 1, after all, so historically, there’s a trend.
But it’s mainly about the Street Fighter producer hinting in an interview a long time ago that only one character would return. …okay, I guess that means one character at least will return then
No clue what’s up with Twelve and Necro. Both their endings could have happened without them fighting, though I heard from a ‘dunno how reliable’ source that Twelve’s prologue is that for the project to continue, he must prove his kind is better than Necro…
I just realized. Hugo withstanding the shin shoryuken means that he probably put up a better fight against Ryu than Alex did (Alex got whomped easily, I believe). That would probably earn him a tier spot higher.
I agree. While not being necessarily more skillful than Alex, he has too much raw power to be beaten by Alex in his current state. Consider that Hugo stood even after eating the Shin Shoryuken, and that Alex’s most powerful maneuver is the Hyper Bomb. Hugo would simply get up from it and do his OWN super powerful grab, which would knock out Alex.
Gill should be the best by far, he can control fire and ice from anywhere, raising the temperatures, and his seraphic wing is like the most powerful attack in SF, if he can control fire and ice from anywhere, then he can burn Akuma’s ass just by looking at him.
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