Because Guile was victimized by the marketing strategy which I call…
HEY, SINCE “BRAND X” BECAME A HIT, LET’S MAKE A BIGGER “BRAND X” THIS TIME AND HOPE THAT IT WILL SELL MORE.
Look at the startup time of Guile’s crouching FP in CVS as compared to Nash’s in any of his incarnations, then you’ll realize that Guile would teach him a lesson in “Reflexes 101”.
And in reality, doing a frontal flip with dual kicks would require so much effort that there would be a weak impact on its target. It’s unbelievable.
Backflip with a single kick on the other hand, is more believable, and would do more damage.
Yes, because, in the end, that’s all we care about.
Relax again.
OK then. Let’s go to a more educational issue.
What was Guile’s and Nash’s military rank in SFA3?
Just as what I’ve expected, there’s no “commander” there. That rank is kinda unclear.
OK, first of all I agree that SFA Nash is better than SFA Guile.
Whether or not SFA Nash is better than SF2 Guile doesn’t really matter that much as far as I’m concerned. It’s too close to make a decent assessment.
What I’m pissed off at is the assumption that Nash is more agile than Guile just because of body size.
If we use sprites as a basis of agility (which is quite reliable IMO), Guile is slightly more agile than Nash.
Fighting ability is different than fighting potential. Nash can have this and that fighting potential but what he has at his present state is the only thing that he can do at that time frame. Now that he’s dead, we can forget all this fighting potential crap of his.
What Guile’s state right now is unknown because he didn’t participate in SF3. But if you’ll ask me, I would prefer more an unknown potential than a dead potential.
Agent Guile I never said anything about Guile being less agile.
If you wanna compare about being agile… Use these comparisons:
Flash kick:
Eventhough they have the same time executing the move, Guile could jump higher. Now you will say that Nash just doesn’t want to jump that high, but we have to assume that jumping that high in a crouching position is harder.
c.sk:
Now Guile can extend his leg as fast as Nash’s. But remember Nash already has his feet in a ready position, Guile has to twist and turn.
j.sk:
Is it just me of Nash seems to weigh more than Guile. His jump is lower than Guile’s.
And Motivation is only motivation… It will last longer if there is still something to motivate him. If Bison didn’t get defeated, I’m pretty sure Guile will still have his motivation.
CHARLIE
Height: 186cm
Weight: 84kg
BWH sizes: B123, W81, H87
Blood type: AB
Birthplace: America
Special Skill: Repairing Harriers, psychology
Likes: Justice, Scotch
Dislikes: Injustice
Fighting Style: Special Force Training
GUILE
Birthday: 1960 December 23
Height: 182cm
Weight: 86kg
BWH sizes: B125, W83, H89
Blood type: O
Birthplace: America
Special Skill: ?
Likes: American Coffee
Dislikes: Natto (fermented Soy Beans)
Fighting Style: Special Force Techniques
But… Bison DID get defeated. These power tiers are based on actual events and not ‘what might have happened’, after all Thus whether or not Guile would have kept on going had Bison not been defeated is pretty irrelevant, I think.
What I meant was motivation wasn’t the key to determine someone’s potential.
All I’m saying is Nash got killed, as simple as that. He is at the peak of his ability. Guile needs only so little to match Nash. Guile trained (Learning the Sonic Boom is irrelevant)
Guile was able to deal a severe blow, without using ki… while Nash could do the same with some implementation of ki.
We are comparing ki manipulation with raw power.
Like as I said before Gen(Raw Power) could match Gouki(Ki manipulator).
Gen doesn’t need ki to win(I’ve studied the style, you only need precision and skill in that).
You’re gonna say experience is a key factor. Look at Rock and Terry… Rock won over Terry because Terry trained him. It’s like a master handing down some experience to his student.
The way I see it, Guile wants his fight Up close and personal, while Nash wants his at a distance.
Based on my observations, Guile relies more on his skill than his ki. Nash does the opposite, but obviously Nash has more training but he still prefers ki over muscle. (precision is better than brute force, after all)
I got the info from Saiki, who got the info from… well, character bios like that are probably posted in all sorts of places, AAC being only one of them, I imagine.
In my opinion, the reasons why there’s an impression that Nash is a better chi manipulator are:
Guile’s first super (which manifested in SSF2T) isn’t that much of chi based move (somersault justice).
Nash first appeared in a game engine (SFA) where multiple supers are allowed (he has sonic break, crossfire blitz, and somersault strike). The Sonic Break gave te first impression of his “good” chi manipulating powers.
It was Nash who appeared first in a Marvel vs game engine (this is where his somersault kick projectile, moonsault slash, and other forms of radical chi based moves first manifested).
The reason why Nash is the better ki manipulator is
4)Capcom has flat out said that Nash is one of the fighters in SF that has the top potentials with Ki manipulation. His potential is right up there with Ryu, Sagat, Sakura, etc.
You’re gonna say experience is a key factor. Look at Rock and Terry… Rock won over Terry because Terry trained him. It’s like a master handing down some experience to his student.
Rock also has a natural potential. Just like Nash.
And yes, having lots of raw power is one of the key factors in determining who is stronger. But raw power uses alot more energy. Nash can match the punch that Guile throws using less energy by using ki.
And another note. Yes, Nash is dead and that would be the peak of his potential since a dead man can’t get any better. But Guile has quit the army and hasn’t trained at all since SF2.
On a side note, Gen does use ki for his attacks. It’s just not as obvious.
So that means pretty much that Nash fights with power and Guile fights with skill. So that also means Nash is a keepaway fighter and Guile is fighting up close.
Anyway, I have a question about Ryu and Ken’s hadouken.
Based on the description of projectiles you previously posted, does that mean that Ryu’s hadouken is much more powerful than Kens?
Er… I think he means that Nash can use his ki to power up his own punches and make them just as strong as Guile’s while expending less stamina (thus advantage goes to Nash). Don’t see anything to do with keep away in Saiki’s post. This is how Gen uses ki in his own attacks too, I imagine…
Let’s now change the topic (until I can find a more interesting question about Guile. Nash is better anyway).
How come the SFA cast are complete in stats except for date of birth? (unlike the cast of SSF2T). Is this an attempt to retcon their (Street Fighters in general) age?
Thus whether or not Guile would have kept on going had Bison not been defeated is pretty irrelevant, I think.