What up. I’ve been watching this thread since like page 7 of the last one until now. You all have really been dropping SF knowledge!
My question/submission to the thread is how many SF/FF/SM characters do we know the artistic inspiration for? I know these for sure:
Fei-Long - Bruce Lee
Cammy - Gally
Eagle - Freddie Mercury (at least in CvS2)
Balrog - Mike Tyson
Deejay - Billy Blanks
Grater - Vader
Rasta - Bruiser Brody with a little Jake “the Snake” Roberts (His headshot in SM1 looks uncannily like Roberts, too me at least. And of course, his attacks with an animal.)
Ortega - Hulk Hogan
Gunloc - “The All-American” Dustin Rhodes, I think.
Jumbo - Earthquake
Oni - The Great Muta
Scorpion - Tigermask
I heard R. Mika might be inspried bya real wrestler, but I don’t know if that’s true or not.
Hey! I just played SM2 and I realized on Biff’s (Alexei’s) stage not only is Zangief there, but Yeltsin is there as well. I thought Zangief didn’t get government funded until AFTER Alpha 2. And Yeltsin was president AFTER Gorbachev. If the SM series take place in the early 80’s Yeltsin wasn’t even a prominent politician yet, either, so you can’t say it’s like he’s a VP. I think this may totally screw up SM’s timeline. I took a very clear shot of Gief and Boris. See it on my site http://www.lucasbishop.freeservers.com It’s on the photo page. Sorry it’s so small, but it’s back ground, after all.
Are you sure that’s Yelstin? Zangief is friends with Gorbatchev and not Yelstin.
In addition, Zangief WAS a wrestler, so it’s understandable he watches the next recruit for mother Russia. Although…
…he probably doesn’t know he was trained by Haggar.
About this too, both Biff and Gunloc use some sort of energy for their attacks, however, the last time I remember, Haggar DOESN’T have any chi manipulation. Is this something they learned on their own?
In your other post, you mentioned Ortega being based on Hulk Hogan. Personally, I doubt it. Hogan was a BIG show off (Leg Drop as a FINISHER? Get real.), and Ortega is as serious as he can be. Although the similarities are very eventful, various reasons believe me to say he’s more based on the ancient Greek gods rather than Hulk Hogan.
-His Theme Music sounds like something that would represent the Greek Gods in a modern era
-His VS symbol at the match-up screen is engraved in stone, instead of being a championship belt (which would be what a Hogan clone would have)
-Hogan was defeated a few times in his career. Ortega was NEVER defeated, and he knows it too.
-Ortega has hair on the top of his head.
But it does make sense if he’s an inspiration if ALL the others ARE inspirations of former wrestlers, but as it stands now, I don’t think that’s it.
alright, i don’t tknow that much about russian history, but i believe that yeltsin was the president of russia some time during the 1990’s. gorbachev was the chairman of the communist party of the USSR (or something like that). so (assuming that i’m right, which i might not be), yeltsin was a somewhat important politician even before the fall of the USSR
also, on your list of SF char inspirations, you forgot Hugo -> Andre the Giant.
kane_warhead: i don’t know who beat ryu in the second tournament. but i think i read osmewhere that sagat let guile win we he found out that he wouldn’t be facing ryu (i could be wrong). then again, its possible chun-li won the tournament (but personally, i’d go with guile)
I gotta quick question. I know alot of people out there have the “All About” books and “Capcom Illustrations” but I was wondering about a specific picture (that I actually had on my comp, but I lost it)
Its a color picture of Sakura but around the colored pic of her she has sketches of her with diffrient clothes on, like for instance one of the sketches shows her in her “mom” appearence from her MSHvsSF ending, cept this shows her whole body, there’s also other various sketches, but has anyone else here seen in any Capcom book, or seen online, or for the love of god know where the pic is online???
Guile could of beat Ryu in the second tournament, due to the fact that Guile was seeking revenge, so he wouldnt give up or lose to anyone no matter how good they were. At that point in time Guile had more determination than Ryu, so he could of beat Ryu, or maybe Ryu sensed that Guile wanted to be the one to get to Bison so he just let him win.
Here’s my opinion on what happened during SF2. Remember, this is all opinion.
Ryu defeated Dhalsim. There’s a win quote Ryu has against Necro in SF3 that says that his stretching limbs don’t surprise him, as he’s defeated Dhalsim a few times. I’ll have the exact quote tomorrow. This leads me to beleive that Ryu beat Dhalsim once in this Tourney and either once or twice in the Alpha series.
Ryu and Ken fought. After the match, the victor dropped out. These two care absolutely nothing about winning SF Tourneys and possibly only participated to get a rematch. Ken dropped out of SF3 when he discovered Ryu was beaten by Oro, and check Ryu’s original SF2 ending to see that he doesn’t care about winning the Tourney. If Ryu won the fight with Ken, there’s little reason for him to continue. He defeated Mike Bison in SF1, he knows he’s not ready for Sagat just yet and he had a hand in defeating a way more powerful Vega. Another slight possibility is that since Ryu and Ken are good friends with Chun-Li, they may have backed out to give her a chance for revenge.
How could Guile win the Tourney? Most threaders agree that Sagat threw the match. I imagine that Sagat saw Guile in the same messed up seeking revenge state that he was in during Alpha 2. I don’t think he lied on the ground acting like he lost like he did with Dan. He probably spoke to Guile telling him revenge is not the way and walked out of the fight, causing a forfeit.
In his current state Guile is said to be weaker than Vega, but that’s because after SF2 he quit the military and gave up fighting. I suppose back then he was strong enough to defeat the weakened Vega. I imagine Sagat’s words helped him decide not to kill Vega along with his family.
TAS - I’ve got lots of Capcom books and I don’t recall seeing the drawing you mentioned.
I’m sure. Look at the pic I posted on my site. He has hair on the top of his head, no mark on his head like Gorbachev, and when he is in motion he is constantly rubbing his cheek, something Yeltsin did a lot when he was nervious.
You made a lot of good points on why he isn’t based on Hogan. I must agree he does share simliarities to greek gods, but some Hogan-ness is still there:
-The shirt rip in the intro to SM1.
-His taunt in SM2, a muscle flex, is exactly like Hogan does.
-His retire and return storyline is very Hogan-ish (and accurate, considering history.)
The headband (Mega Powers-look Hogan)
You have to remember the game was released in early '94, meaning it was planned since '93. Wrestlemania '93 saw the return of the “immortal” Hulk Hogan and he beat Yokozuna for the WWF title. I think this definitely inspires at least part of Ortega. This is pre-WCW, pre-jobbing Hogan were talking about here. Anytime Hogan lost before he lost to Yokozuna in what was (at that point his last WWF match in '94, it was always due to interference. He never lost fair and square. And, he also had more hair back then too. Also, all of the inspirations for the wrestlers in the SM games wrestled extensively in Japan. Hogan was huge over there, having appeared both as Terry Bollea (pre-Hulk) and as Hulk Hogan. I’d bet there is Hogan some influence.
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Yeltsin was Russia’s president from '90 to '99. If we take the timeline historically, placing SM2 somewhere between '82-'83 as I remember being previously mentioned in the thread, Yeltsin was merely a Communist Party leader in a small city, he was stiil at least two years away from his post as mayor in some major Russian city, I can’t remember which one. And anywhere from 8-10 from become president. So 'Gief hangin with Yeltsin then make no sense, and even if he did, doesn’t that negate the fact he supposedly didn’t come to the government’s attention until AFTER SFA2? I think that 'Gief hanging with Yeltsin at the time the game was made makes more sense, but if that is true, then the SM-SF timeline is out of wack, unless the entire SM series happened between SF2-SF3, which if you take into account Capcom USA’s screwed up/changed translations, is actually possible.
An, I don’t know how the hell I could miss Hugo. Duh!
Not that I ever give much credence to background appearances anyway, but maybe Zangief and Yeltsin were friends before either of them became a part of the government so they got together to just watch some good old wrestling? There is nothing that says that either has to be an important member of the government in order to watch a wrestling match, after all
Ryu defeated Dhalsim. Ryu beat Ken, then concede to Chun-Li. Sagat seeing this threw the towel to Guile. Guile defeated Chun-li(Promising he was gonna get revenge for the both of them. IMO)
Guile beats Bison barely(Give credit to Bison). Guile’s ending happened. After that, Gouki did a Shun Goku Satsu on Bison.
On the contrary(IMO), Guile is weaker than Shin Bison, but barely stronger than Resurrected Bison.
Ok, No one gets weaker over time… It’s just that everybody who trains gets stronger. I believe Guile is still at the same level, but since Ryu, and co. trains as hell. He got left way behind.
Since you can’t measure, Guile’s fighting ability after SF II. I would believe that Chun-li is now much more stronger than Guile in his last appearance.
Shouldn’t we have two listing for Bison’s place i the tier list to indicate how weak he got after Alpha 3.
Anyway, I just want to know how much difference in Fighting Ability between Charlie and Guile. Just because Charlie is the one who taught Guile how to do Sonic Booms and such, doesn’t mean he is stronger than him now. Do you know why almost all students get beeter than their Master(in terms of fighting), because people who are weaker who constantly fight someone stronger… increases their fighting ability alot faster than the stronger one.
So I think Guile is just a little weaker than Charlie(SFAIII), but managed to tie him(maybe even better than Charlie) in terms of FA in SFII.
So nobody becomes weaker(except KOF where everything is about power… skill becomes non-existent).
Anyway just what I think about SF.
Also wouldn’t be it a great Idea to figure the brackets in SF II and SFIII?
I agree with mostly everything EXCEPT Sagat throwing the match.
I think once Sagat learned Ryu and Ken, he also dropped out and never faced Guile.
Probably between the four finalists would have been Ryu, Ken, Guile and Chunli. Ryu and Ken fight, and the winner drops out Guile defeats Chunli narrowly to earn the chance to face Vega.
Sagat drops out after learning of Ryu’s leaving the tournament. Sagat has no reason to figh unless Ryu is in the tournery.
Guile goes on to defeat Bison, Balrog and Vega. He never faces Sagat.
