Warriors Fate: Street Fighter story thread, revived

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Sorry if I interrupt this thread, but here’s SF Timeline at RedCyclones site.
http://www.geocities.jp/redcyclone0601/dabunfile/dabun18/dabun18top.html

Muscle Bomber - 1983

Muscle Bomber Duo - 1983

Super Muscle Bomber - 1984

Final Fight - 1987

Street Fighter - 1987

Street Fighter Zero 1-2 - 1987

Final Fight Revenge - 1988

Street Fighter Zero 3-3? - 1988

Street Fighter II - 1991

Final Fight 2 - 1993

Final Fight Tough - 1995

Street Fighter III: New Generation and Second Impact - 1997

Street Fighter III: Third Strike - 1998

OT: About the 2 year shift for FF1 (& Muscle Bomber including Jessica) cast’s birthyear.

IMHO character’s birthyears should take priority over character’s ages and the years that the games took place.

Example is characters birthyear of FF1 and SF2 cast are the same in every version. [official fact]

Therefore, I think character’s birthyears should still be the same. (Ie, Haggar was born in 1943, not 1941.)

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Whoa whoa, Tiamat. Man, did you actually change Haggar’s birthdate to 1941 so it would be in sync with the timeline (Because of something said in f***in’ FINAL FIGHT: STREETWISE?!)?? I mean, doesn’t that kinda defeat the whole purpose of the plot guide?? Man this is capcom we’re talking about. There are bound to be continuity errors among/within the series/franhises (SF, FF, MB, etc). You shouldn’t start altering official information just so everything fits. All you can do is just publicly address the inconsistenies within the chronology and just say that there are certain parts you can’t explain because the guys at capcom are idiots. The SF universe involves several different videogame franchises with several different teams working on them, so storyline material will always be a little contraditory. There are times when you just have to accept that and just say that some parts don’t make sense. If we start changing/altering facts (like birthyears in this case), then we’re losing sight of what we were trying to do in the first place. That’s what I was talking about with Final Fight 2 among other things. Not. Good.

p.s. - Don’t you think treating ‘Streetwise’ as a legitimate/official source is kinda silly?? I’m sorry, but giving it priority over anything already established by capcom of Japan is just wrong.

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Well, here’s mine that I think this is the least contradict. (not counting FFSW) Feel free to comment.

Muscle Bomber - 1983 (Haggar was 40.)

Muscle Bomber Duo - 1983

Super Muscle Bomber - 1984 (Haggar was 41 & 5 years before FF1)

Street Fighter - early months of 1989 (About same time with FF1 & there’s a fact that it took place 4 years before SF2. Note that 1987 was just a released year of the game, there aren’t any sources stated that which years SF1 took place.)

Final Fight - early months of 1989 (From intro of original version [Japanese Arcade] and latest one [GBA].)

Street Fighter Zero 1-2 - 1989 (Sakura was 15 & it took place several months after SF1)

Final Fight Revenge - 1990

Final Fight 2 - 1990 (OT: Same reason as my previous post, Maki should be born in 1973, not 1968. Because she and Haggar were 20 and 50 , respectively in FF2.)

Street Fighter Zero 3-3? - December, 1990 (Two years after SFZ2 didn’t mean “exactly 24 months”. Sakura and Cammy were 16 & if the dolls “indeed” were 16. Ie; if it took place in January, only Enero was 16.)

Final Fight Tough - 1991 (Haggar was still a mayor.)

Street Fighter II - 1993 (Cammy was 19.)

Street Fighter III: New Generation and Second Impact - 1997 (Ryu was 33)

Street Fighter III: Third Strike - 1998 (the story took place 1 year after previous game.)

Note: if we going by this timeline, the contradiction that only left is Haggar’s age in FF2 (50 years old). (In FF3 Capcom didn’t give character’s ages.) But I think that just a caculation from his birthyear from FF1 (1943) with the year that FF2 was released (1993). Furthermore, in Megadrive CD port of FF1, the game took place in 92 (the released year of the game.)

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Freak:

Our justifications for fitting Final Fight into SF’s timeline was that Street Fighter, as the more popular/recent series, supercedes Final Fight. Hence retrofitting Final Fight to take place in 1987 with SF1 rather than moving SF1 to 1989 to fit with FF1.

I think it was said that “a year had passed” between SF1 and SFA, hence why we place it in 1988. BUt I guess some events might take place earlier/later in the year than others.

The remaining dates are okay.

And wait: Is it official that Muscle Bomber Duo took place? I thought it was just, y’know, the Champion Edition to the original Muscle Bomber. If it actually took place, does anyone know what the official tag teams were?

Speaking of Muscle Bomber, I don’t suppose we know who won any of MB games. Ortega can’t have won the first one, since AFAIK he had disappeared by that time and it was in SMB that Astro/Scorpion organized the international blowout to lure him back. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

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According to aac, SFA1-2 is set “several months” after SF1, which is why it should be placed in 1987.

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Also, why do those monitor cyborgs all look like Dhalsim. :expressionless:

BTW, speaking of Saiki, I have a text file dating back to 10/10/2001 that seems to be a copy and paste of a thread, possibly one of the earlier gamefaqs ones. I also have a summary of the thread from 25/11/2001. Does anyone want copies of them or anything, or do those gifs of scanned sano’s cover them?

EDIT:

Golden Dragon:

O I C. That’s hella vague though. So what are we guessing here? 4-8 months afterwards?

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I agree that SF timeline should take priority over FF timeline (That’s why I put FF2’s date to 1990). But I think that SF1’s released year has more priority than FF1 in-game intro (and manual), is a bit too much.

We all agree that SFZ3 took place in 1990, right?

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^So I’m guessing yer new here?
Nevertheless I agree w/ you and have pointed out those facts in the past. However TiamatRoar disagrees (IIRC) and thinks the dates should remain the way they are in the plot guide.

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Yes please Ultima. Both of those would be great.

You were correct; Muscle Bomber Duo is just a revamp of the original.

About the SF universe timeline, SF1 takes priority over FF1 because of seniority, not because of popularity. And if Streetwise doesn’t doesn’t conflict with anything else established, there’s no reason for it not to be canon. After all, Capcom USA cares even less about continuity then Capcom Japan ever did.

Events in the Zero series, since the games are not rigid tournaments, don’t necessarily have to fit squarely in the space of a single year. Thus Zero 2’s happenings can span from say 1987 thru 1988, and Zero 3’s from 1989 thru 1990.

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About Muscle Bomber Duo, the japanese flyers of Super Muscle Bomber stated that it took place 1 year after the tag battle.

http://www.geocities.jp/redcyclone0601/dabunfile/dabun18/dabun18_1983/dabun18_1983_duo.html

And the reason that Redcyclone put SF1 to 1987 are:

But we agree to put SF2 to take place in 1993, don’t we?

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Yes, because AAC states that SF2 now takes place 6 years after SF1; it used to be 4 years before the Zero series came along.

Also when SFZ1 came out, Capcom released a timeline that marked SF1 as occuring in 8-1987.

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Are you sure that, It was a timeline, not chronology of release date?

And note that, from timeline at Redcyclone, the time gap between SFZ2 and SFZ3 are just 1 year.

Well, in fact my point is, whether FF1 took place in 1989, sometime in 1990s, 1992 or 1987, there is no need to change character birthyears. (Ie, even in US arcade, SFC/SNES port, the game took place in sometime in 1990s, but the cast’s birthyears still were the same.)

And Haggar’s age (40) in Muscle Bomber, should calculate from his birthyear in FF1. Even if it took place in 1982, he should be born in 1943 and 38 years old. Not 40 years old but born in 1941.

Another point is, if you change birthyears, you will make a relative age difference. Ie, Haggar is older than Maki 30 years, not 27 years.

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Um, I’m curious as to what exactly Final Fight Streetwise states about timelines that would contradict anything. I don’t recall the game ever listing exact years for anything, even if it states something like, FF1 happened 20 years ago or whatever, for you to fit that into a timeline don’t you have to assume that FFS takes place in 2005/2006 which there is no evidence of either? Just because the game came out in 2005/2006 doesn’t mean the events of the game happened in 2005/2006, even if previous FF games are like that it doesn’t mean FFS is like that IMHO.

Unless there’s something I missed based on 2 play throughs…

Does Haggar’s FFS bio list another birthday or something? Seems odd they’d want to shout out that he’s about 60 years old and looks the same…

EDIT: Peeped FFS’s website and I see nothing in regards to Haggar’s age in that game. So wondering what this is all about…

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^Tiamat changed Haggar’s official birthdate from 1943 to 1941 in the plot guide. Regardless of what is said in ‘Streetwise’, his birthyear shouldn’t be changed. You can’t alter/tamper with official information.

lol. Why don’t you mention stuff like this sooner?? Up until now I still thought there was a possibility that SF2 could’ve taken place in '91 and that the '93 time setting was more or less a matter of opinion.

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This I have mentioned before, I believe around the time we were talking about whether or not Zeku died in his battle with Guy.

And Freak on Board, yes I’m positive that it was a timeline and not a chronology of releases. Dash no Chris has also referenced it before. In truth, before Zero 2 came out, real time game release dates could’ve corresponded with storyline dates without any conflicts. In other words back then FF1 could’ve happened in 1989 without any adjustments.

The events of Zero 2 and Zero 3 are generally a year apart, following Red Cylcone’s logic, but at least two confirmed facts will fall a bit outside the squarely-one-year range: Zero 2’s first event, Ryu heads back to his master several months after SF1; Zero 3’s final event must occur at least after Cammy’s 16th birthday in January 1990.

About Final Fight birthdates and ages, both have been declared as equally official in the past. So with the retcon, what do you feel has priority? Keeping the same ages and changing DOB’s, or staying with original DOB’s and making the characters older/younger?

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I’m more for keeping the character’s original birthdates and making them older/younger during events. A few years difference doesn’t mean anything, especially in SF, where you have guys 50+ and even 100+ still competing and going strong.

vasili, where do I send these text-files? Neither will fit in a post (the summary might fit in two, but the other one won’t).

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vtasouli@hotmail.com

Thanks so much Ultima.:china:

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Maybe a better way is to list all the contradictions.

Ie, SF2 took place 6 years after SF1, and 3 years after SFZ3, but

  • SFZ2 took place several months after SF1.
  • From Sakura’s age and Sagat’s story, SFZ3 should took place 1 year after SFZ2.

Another randomness; Here are correct FF cast’s stats (plus Ingrid):

Final Fight 2 (manual & official guide also confirmed this.)

Maki (same with CvS2 and SFZ3)
Height: 169cm
Weight: 52kg

Carlos
Height: 189cm
Weight: 61kg

Final Fight Tough

Haggar
Weight: 122kg (121kg was his weight in FF1-FF2)

Dean
Height: 197cm
Weight: 91kg

Lucia
Height: 172cm

Street Fighter Zero 3?? (Japanese version)

Ingrid
http://www.geocities.jp/redcyclone0601/z3wu/z3wu_ing/z3wu_ing.htm
http://www.geocities.jp/redcyclone0601/syokaifile/ingrid/ingrid.html
Height: 152cm
Weight: 39kg
3 sizes: B78, W54, H80

EDIT: Just to add, from Cody and Guy story in SFZ3, the events of FF1 also took place 1 year before this game.
http://www.geocities.jp/redcyclone0601/dabunfile/dabun18/dabun18_1988_ff/dabun18_1988_ff.html
http://www.geocities.jp/redcyclone0601/dabunfile/dabun18/dabun18_1987_ff/dabun18_1987_ff.html

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Quick question. Where (if anywhere) does it state these two characters from the SFII intro are Mike and Joe of SF1?

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I think vasili10 said it’s stated in an issue of ‘Cap!’