When I got my Ingrid sketch from Omar Dogan I brought the US CFE strat guide and the Arnold Tsang Ryu/Ingrid Arcadia cover that he could use for reference. He mainly used the Arcadia cover, this was his first time drawing Ingrid and he nailed it! While he was drawing her Erik Ko kept yelling that he had to make her cute and sexy and both of them laughed at this injoke. Erik Ko (Udoneko) explained this to me, told me that Ishizawa was the one that created Ingrid, not Senri Kita like I previously thought since she was the one who drew her for Capcom Fighting All Stars(and Shinkiro drew her for CFE as you know, in the interview in the SF comic Shinkiro said that he still has not created any original characters for Capcom BTW. Not too sure who provided artwork for her in SFA3 Max without guestimates, prolly Edayan, Ikeno or other). Anyway, when Arnold Tsang was drawing the Arcadia cover Ishizawa kept rejecting it telling Tsang to redraw her face a number of times before it finally got his approval. He kept telling Studio Udon to make her look āCute and sexy!ā And of course Studio Udon was like, āwhat the Hell does that mean?ā
Latest update of the plotguide. I figure I should update it before Streetwise comes out so I donāt have to worry about including Alpha MAX AND Streetwise in the same update, which would have been hell. I think I managed to catch all the stuff in this thread and from my e-mails in this update. I also put what little known Streetwise story info is known so far in there. Hmmā¦ not much else to say. Iām going out on a limb and stating my guess for Streetwiseās date to be 2006. Besides the whole tradition of Capcom having Final Fight games take place during their release dates (to this day, FF1 is stated in the games to take place in 1989 instead of the more fitting 1987), thereās also Cammyās apparent age in the game. She looks too old in that print of her that the artist is selling on his site for it to take place so shortly after SF2, I think.
TiamatRoar - Cool beans! Canāt wait to read through the new plot guide update!
Ingrid telling Rose not to worry about M.Bison(cape) after she defeats him was my mistake, due to the speed of how fast the ending went. After she beats him in the Psycho Drive they show Rose thatās in the final stage of the game by herself who just wonders who Ingrid was, then they go back to Ingrid whoās in the Psycho Drive as she takes the big statue away. Course I know you where pretty much joking with her Plot Guide entry, as much or even more than Capcom prolly was lol!
Any thoughts on placing Ingrid on the Tier List? Iād group her at the very least at Roseās level, with her being kind of a Goddess and all. Course thereās not much official information on her for a ranking I would think, perhaps on a hinted status? And yeah her ātime jumpā if it happened at all would still make Chun-Li the strongest woman during SF2/SF3 conveniently lollercoaster!
Aw drat. I liked the whole āIngrid tells Rose not to worry, Rose worries anywaysā irony of my whole semi-joke summary. Ah well.
If I had to guess, Iād say that Ingridās tier would be around Roseās in Alpha 3 (limited supernatural ability) and then god-tier beyond that due to literally being a goddess (assumedly she regained full strength after she got her power back). Iād hesitate to place her above the rest of the god-tier, though. If Bison was able to steal Psycho Power from her before, she canāt be 100% invincible even as a goddess (in fact, that really only gives support that sheād be right around that tier, given that Psycho Power SFA3 pre-weakening Bison is generally assumed to be around that tier as well).
Of course, thatās assuming anything about Ingrid is taken seriously in the first place
From skimming over Akumaās section, a source reference you forgot to change. Sāalright though, thereās plenty more additions (and more copy+paste) to come.
The account of Gouken telling young Ryu and Ken about the power of hadou, like the account of Goutetsu fighting Gouki which at the end says āfor Goutetsu, already a breath of retirement,ā is from SF2 Himitsu Hyakka, not AASFZ. Havenāt completely cracked through those texts yet.
I hope to bring out the Shadoloo map later this week, followed by the SF2 stage narratives. A long and ongoing process this is, but Iām not quitting. vasili10 ganbaru!
The ones on the lower right are all official Streetwise art, I believe. Haggar seems really old, too, now.
I donāt have scans of the promotional comic sadly but you can find a link to some of them I posted in that last page (Poison, Sodom, Andore, Cammy, various others)
It doesnāt seem like the generic enemies are getting unique names this time around, sadly (āAngry Schoolgirlā being one example, although in-game thereās also Hitman and other generic titles for generic enemies, I think). A shame, really.
Posted by Gekiganger V at MMcafe. The page with Sodom has more random SW chars on it (new ones) but I didnāt find any good scans of that. Ditto for scans of the comic itself. You can see them at the link I posted a page ago, though. Thereās also more pages than that but those are the only online scans Iāve found so far (I donāt have the comic, myself, either)
FF Streetwise is in stores now. Picking up a copy soon. Canāt wait! Itās time to find out what Capcom USA is smoking this year.
Shooting for a PS2 version (better joystick) but PS2 versions of games tend to sell out really quick, if not Iāll get the Xbox version which will probably look better.
I donāt think Cammyās SF2 official arts look very old, myself, though (although I donāt recall any US SF2 art of her). I mean, here in Streetwise you can actually see ridges on her (which isnāt just artistic style given that Vanessa doesnāt have any of those, I think). Vrinkles! ā¦yea, you can compare Cammy to Vanessa (who probably is at the very least an adult given that she runs a bar by herself) and Cammy looks decidedly older, I think.
At the very least, odds are pretty much guaranteed that it happened after SF2 (I find it doubtful that Cammy would be wasting time going to Metro City to kick butt in between Alpha 3 and SF2, where sheād likely be a bit more preoccupied by simply trying to get accustomed to her post amnesia life. Also, Haggar lost or left the mayorship 2 years after SFA3 or so, and SF2 is only 1 year after that, blah blah blahā¦). Any further than that is mostly just educated guesswork.
Got the game, PS2 version! The store by me only ordered 2 copies (as opposed to the usual 5ā¦) donāt think they expect it to do so wellā¦ canāt play it until I get homeā¦
Of what I can tell, Cammyās a Pit Fighter, you have to beat her to move up in ranks. Oddā¦ Cammy doesnāt strike me as the addicted to fighting type to compete in these tournies, maybe sheās undercoverā¦
You can unlock the original Final Fight. What aā¦ strange unlockableā¦ seeing as you can play FF1 on the GBA and both the Xbox, PS2 and PSP versions of CCCā¦ whaā¦
Thereās 2 player co-op in Arcade mode.
Didnāt notice any familiar voice actors in the booklet. Well, Cammy gets a new voice in every game anyway.
I didnāt know RZA had a track in this! Thereās a crap load of music in this, gotta be like 20-30 songs with artists like Slipnote in it. You can buy these songs at a store in the game and listen to them whenever.
One of the power ups is a soda can called āCapcola.ā
Will play it and give an early review of it, course any reviews from me come with a Capcom Fanboy slant - āCammyās in it! Itās the greatest game ever!ā Sorryā¦ I enjoyed FF Revenge too, it was so bad I laughed my Ass off, Iām expecting that kind of thrill here at best.
Just to mention, Cammy was ābornā in 1975 just like me, sheād be 30 or 31 now depending on the month she was born. Why would she have wrinkles at that age if this game takes place in 2006? Can it be, maybe it takes place further in the futureā¦ like 201Xā¦ whereās Ingrid and Monk Ryu? I fully expect to see Ryu in a pimp suit and Ingrid as one of his prostitutesā¦ Sorry, couldnāt resistā¦ :lol:
I donāt think she has wrinkles. Just āridgesā. Around the nose. These normally donāt depict age so much as drawing style, although the fact that she has them while Vanessa doesnāt does make Cammy look older to meā¦
Cammy being a pitfighter seemsā¦ odd. Obscenely so.
Cammy was born January 1st, so sheād generally be the maximum age possible no matter what exact month and day a game takes place.
Crap, they only ordered two? Cripes. Stupid busy season makes it near impossible for me to find time to buy. I probably should have reserved. Meep
Yeah, this was at EB Games by me, they usually under order stuff like this, at the very least this branch of EB. Usually I go to J&L in Chinatown and can get any game on day one, day seven, 3 weeks later. So look around when you can I suppose. DMC3 SE, Beatdowns, Sam Sho V, Dragon Quest VIII, all of these games where difficult to track down at the big gaming stores in the beginning, - EB/Gamestop, either everybody or nobody wants them, means very few copiesā¦
If all else fails you can get it from Capcomās website without too many problemsā¦
