Warriors Fate: Street Fighter story thread, revived

Did you call me Golden Dragon again? I’m the one with the Avatar remember? :rofl:

EDIT: About the Noembulu/Juli/T.Hawk deal - SF Eternal Challenge says at least 3 times in T.Hawk’s Bio, in Juli’s Bio and in the relationship chart that Juli was the one that T.Hawk was after, not Noembulu. It seems to me that Capcom of Japan is now strongly sticking to it being Juli and not Noembulu. Should the Plot Guide be changed to reflect this or is this an instance where the plot guide should say Capcom of Japan is just wrong about the situation?

I think it should be changed to Juli and she should no longer be listed as being German anymore. If SF Eternal Challenge stated it once I could possibly look at it as a blooper but at least stating it 3 times is a bit much.

What do yall think?

Well, it’s kind of an awkward position (oh, hey, I’m back) if we’re going to state that we know MORE than Capcom Japan and thus OUR story is the correct one. I’m pretty sure that we DO at this point, at least people like Vasili10 who read every scrap of SF info ever published, but that doesn’t change the original fact that Capcom Japan makes the story. We made the FAQ to collect and spread original CoJ information. If that information is beginning to be completely different, well… there’s not much we can do except change the FAQ and explain the change.

Although, I would like it if some remaining story guru at CoJ actually sat down with SFA3 Double Upper and made sure to state every possible fact, in bios or something. Of course, that will never happen, and ‘’ is pretty much a dream match at this point anyway.

Sorry sano, I didn’t check again who posted it, I thought it was Golden Dragon. Juli is not German because she is Noembelu so she’s Native?
Here is a list of the books I got, I only have a few minutes but if you have any scan requests I can do those at the weekend:

Co-sign. I fear that we’re slowly but surely making our way into that territory. CoJ makes the story and their word is official, so we have no choice but to go along with what they say and change the FAQ accordingly. I mean, we can’t omit certain storyline info presented by CoJ just 'cuz they contradict/don’t fit in with our previous perception of parts in tha storyline.

Here’s my opinion on tha Juli/Noembelu thing. Saiki has mentioned in tha past that he’s friends with a Capcom Japan employee and it was the employee who told him that Noembelu was originally intended to be tha Doll T. Hawk was searching for, but that meant Capcom would have to create another playable character and Capcom was too lazy to do that so they scrapped the idea and used Juli instead. I personally believe Saiki in this case, 'cuz it would explain why Juli’s birthplace is Germany and why she doesn’t really look Mexican. It’s not as if Saiki said that some obscure official source states that Noembelu is tha Doll T. Hawk’s searching for and not Juli. However, the final product says that Juli is tha Doll T. Hawk is searching for, so whatever Capcom was cooking up during tha developmental stages is mute. My opinion is that we should either change Noembelu to Juli or continue saying the missing Doll is Noembelu for storyline purposes(as Capcom originally intended) and include a disclaimer of some sort that says that it is officially Juli that T. Hawk is looking for.

Japanese Capcom Book Galore

-Fanbook (SFIIAM info, Ojou-san comic scan, Zangief gay,…)
-Mystery of the Hadoken (pics of Chun-Li’s father, Blanka’s mother, old photo of Guile & Charlie, all the rare background info vasili10 posts,…)
-Final Fight 1 official guide book (FF1 story?, rare old artwork, info on every enemy, boss character pages in black white only)
-Sega Saturn SFZ2 guide, some good stage drawings
-“GAME GAG 1P” manga comic, haven’t checked jet but the cover art looks very good like the one of the Capcom Illustrations/Early Days
-All About SFEX (in case somebody needs EX info, good artwork)
-All About SFZ1
-All About SFZ2
-All About SFZ3 (I know some of you have these already but in case you got no scanner)
-Capcom Fan Club (CFC) magazines = CAP!
Vol 4,5,6,7 (tons of info and art of all sorts of Capcom games)
-Gamest Mook Vol. 75 (Street Fighter III info, haven’t checked yet)
-Gamest Magazine No. 193 (the one with Ibuki & Dudley on the cover, haven’t checked yet)
-Gamest Mook Vol. 16 (SFZ1)
-Gamest Mook Vol. 67 (SFEX)
-1991 ALL CAPCOM magazine (GAMEST No. 81) (rare old thingy with Ryu, Chun-Li and others on the cover, haven’t checked yet)
-Gamest No. 64 (SFII, haven’t checked yet)
-Club Capcom (like CFC magazine only bigger and better)
Vol. Spring 1993, Autumn 1993, Spring 1994
-lot’s of ads for merch with artwork I haven’t seen anywhere else
-A really good art book (maybe too thin to be called book) with unofficial drawings of SF and some other characters by “moojan” Compositor: Takayama Repro

Cool, it seems we are all on the same page with the Juli thing, let’s see what TiamatRoar says.

I brung it up because it’s one of the things that came up in the SF Comics forum, how someone thought it would be best if T.Hawk went after Noembulu in the comic, and I thought it would be better if he went after Juli just to keep things, how shall I say ‘simple’ and then he pointed to the Plot Guide saying it was Noembulu being the person he was after and not Juli, so…

And yeah, again there’s no mention of Juli being German in SF Eternal Challenge but she’s from T.Hawk’s tribe so I don’t think she’s German anymore.

Aerialgroove - Wow, that’s a lot of books! Of course any scans are welcome.

By the way… AAC doesn’t really state that they actually are from those countries, right? Only that the names are written in those languages?

Ok, good. There’s some more feedback about the doujin. Anyone else like to comment please before I start considering bids on it?

BTW thanks for the enormous book list, I’ll ask for a few things later on. Thank you aerialgroove.

I’m due to give a source update as well, but I have to wait for some of sano’s stuff first. Thinking of you guys really. :bgrin:

One other thing: before anyone asks about the Fanbook, Zangief being gay is still only Saiki’s word and the plot guide’s. Due to my question never having been answered for where in the book it says so, I still don’t know where it can be found.

It does. Under Juli’s entry it says she’s German, and under Noembelu’s it states that she’s of Latin American lineage. As a further note, the last sentence of Juli’s entry says why she is connected to Mexican T. Hawk, is a mystery left behind.

Yes, that was more or less from videogame.com’s guide to Street Fighter. What we know thus far is Gouken’s dead, Gouki killed him, Ojou-san and Ken possibly know but Gouki definitely knows how Gouken died, since he tells Ryu in Zero 2 that he’ll perish the same way.

If Capcom says Juli is connected to T. Hawk, then Juli is connected to T. Hawk. One of the biggest mottos of the plot guide is “If it’s true, it’s true, no matter how stupidly retarded it is.” In fact, I recall myself screaming and throwing several hissy fits in ALL CAPS within the plot guide exclaiming just that, so I can’t be hypocritical about it. As with other things, the plot guide will however state that it was originally intended to be Noembelu as far as we all know.

As for her nationality, her birthplace is officially stated to be Germany, and thus it shall continue to be Germany unless Capcom states otherwise. Which they’ve yet to do.

So all hail Juli, the German Native American! :clap: I guess it’s not like I haven’t seen more nonsensical things in the Street Fighter plot. :lame:

Holy hell that’s a lot of books. For the AAZ3 book, various stuff:

-character-specific win quotes start on page 404, in case anyone ever got around to doing a translation guide for all of the untranslated ones in the SF games.
-There’s some stuff about Ryu/Ken/Guy/Gouki/Rolento on page 386, though I can’t really make out what it says. Something about their character designs, I’m guessing? I can see the word “secret” (himitsu), but I don’t feel like breaking out the dictionary…rough profile sketches, and some bits about their storylines.
-the stuff about the red flash on page 257…this is weird and remains unexplained to non-japanese players.
-complete A3-storyline profiles for each character in their section, fighting style/clothes design info etc.
-endings, p.418

(mandatory part about how the Rose stuff in the plot guide is all made up, and was because a link for Bison to go from SFA3->SF2 was needed by the maker-upper, which was of course not really necessary)

-drunken Balrog (boxer) p.384

I do. And I don’t even speak Japanese except for Arigato and such. :karate:

:rofl: That’s all well and fine I guess but doesn’t SF Eternal Challenge saying she’s a “Native of T.Hawk’s tribe” sort of negate that? Question 2 since I can’t remember. In Juli’s SFA3 intro doesn’t it state that her birthplace is Mexico?

If you mean the page where the two of them have stars in their eyes, nice try. That’s the first place I looked for printed evidence. If you know any other place I’m all ears (or eyes in this case?):rofl:

sano:
Hmm, I don’t recall Juli’s A3 intro saying she’s from Mexico, gotta check again. But thus far Tiamat has the right idea that she’s a German Native American. AAC has some funny things:

-for both dolls, under their stats a hailing country is unknown, given as “???”, which is what all other sources have printed so far.

-for Juni, AAC says she seems to hail from Germany given her name.

-for Juli, AAC says she ought to hail from Germany given her name, so why she has a connection with Mexican T. Hawk, is a mystery left behind.

I just find intriguing the subtle choice of words given.

Oh I really don’t recall either about her SFA3 info which is why I asked. Still, SF Eternal Challenge, the newest book now lists Juli’s nationality as “???” and this is the newest book released by Capcom and on a matter such as this I would take the newest book’s information, I think it’s much more sensible to list her birthplace as “???” other than Germany especially if her nationality is listed as “???” even in AAC books, but that’s just me. Where again was her nationality listed as German in the first place? “Seems to hail” and “ought to hail” are not official confirmations of anything. Anyway, the Japanese version of SF Eternal lists her birthplace as “?” if it really makes a big difference.

Great, then another “evidence” is gone and Tiamat can finally add to the Plot Guide that there is absolutely not reason to say that Zangief is gay except for Saiki’s theory and the fact that once it was said that he doesn’t like young beautiful women, which doesn’t mean that he likes young beautiful men (he doesn’t like Balrog) or that he doesn’t like old beautiful women. On the 2nd one I agree with whoever said it, it was just a little joke on Russian women that got out of control through this thread and spread all over the web.

But Zangief being gay really goes further than likes/dislikes. If you look at any other gay Japanese created character, they all look more or less like Zangief, with very little hair, maybe a thong or something, and facial hair of some sort.

Yes, like all older Muscle Bomber chracters and probably 90 percent of all wrestlers of the 80s and 90s. WRESTLER!

It was AASFZ3, together with all the other dolls. The nationality uncertainty with Juli and Juni likely comes from the fact that the SFZ3 console versions continued their story development from their briefness as secret playable Vega “clones” in the arcade. Back then all the dolls had nationalities nailed down, but things changed later on for Juni and especially Juli while the other dolls, unchanged in gaming purposes from arcade to console, retained their original given nationalities. Heck, even J&J’s stats in AASAFZ3 said hailing from: ??? while stating at the same time within the general dolls’ descriptions that they’re German, so already there were contradictions in an All About book no less.

Here are the rest of the arcade flyer notes requested by Golden Dragon. As I had said, some parts were blurry, but I feel I did my best piecing things together.

SF2 WW flyer, minus special attack sentences.

Vega

Really what is he? Where did he come from?
As his aspiration is the same as his aim at a fighting stylist but, his methods were mistaken. His body wrapped up in an evil aura, he attacks with a fist of hatred. Self-introduced as the strongest, he desires the name of fighting stylist king.

Dhalsim

For the sake of a young child an isolated fighter struggling alone.
As one who uses the power of yoga improving through wounds, admonishing himself of the necessary evil and such, also struggling daily.

Zangief

Stirred up in perestroika he came around as he should, the steel-bodied man. Having wanted to learn wrestling from the time he was very young, incidents of the piledriver, the brain buster, a grade of flashy moves mixed in, he established an original pro wrestling.

Chun Li

With her father of the narcotics investigations division become unaccounted for, she journeys the world in order to know the circumstances. Chun Li having become a detective herself, the recollections at last, the evil enormous organization “Shadoloo” a matter wriggling back will be ascertained. However, as for the rumored distant shadowed boss “Vega” really where is he likely to be?..

Edmond Honda

His weapon a bighearted personality, “In the world, the sumo’s magnificence will surely be recognized.” he says, and he journeys out, a Japanese sumo wrestler. Bearing the “disposition” of the Japanese as a pinch, he cuts his own way through.

Ryu

For the sake of aiming at the true fighting style, he wanderingly journeys. His rival Ken in America doing warrior training and hearing of it he proceeds overseas. Completed, will this time’s journey bear fruit to the true fighting style?..

Major Guile

With a comrade “Nash” from the same unit killed, he journeys out for revenge. Parting from also informing a wife and daughter…“I have a feeling on a man called Vega…the man uses psycho power freely to…guuuh…”. Nash’s final words as a hand took him…

Ken

Having approved Ryu as a skilled rival, they once again meet for the promise of together becoming stronger. Ken had come back to America for warrior training, the past smell of blood forgotten, immersed in the sweet times and his love. However, from Ryu’s brief letter, his sleeping fighting style, the hot blood boiled, “Alright, a hundred sets of shoryukens. Just you wait Ryu!”

Blanka

Very young at the time the airplane crashed, with his opponent as Mother Nature in the jungle he grew up a wild infant. It is conjectured also unsettled from that large build how he can move with such speed. Really where are his honorable parents probably?..

And some SF3 quotes from-Japanese-to-English transitions requested by Hcparker. For Chun Li, I’m unable to locate which general quote turned into her bracelets quote, since I can’t find any of her Japanese quotes saying about bracelets, so here’s the English one in question created by Capcom USA:
“No, I’ve never thrown any of my bracelets away. Why do you ask?”

for Ryu wins against Necro:
NG and 2I quote originally:
"With that the limit of your moves, it’s impossible to surprise me!"
NG and 2I quote Cap-USA-ized:
“You can’t surprise me with those moves! I used to beat this man from India…”

Sean’s quotes changed even more:
one of his NG general quotes after you won a match that could’ve gone either way:
originally in Japanese:
"Yo! Thank you very much!"
in Capcom USA’s hands it turned into:
"Don’t call me Dan!“
another of his NG general quotes, this time seen if you barely win the match:
originally:
#1! Never give up!"
the transition:
“Rule #1, never give up! Rule #2, don’t fight me! Rule #3, don’t be like Dan!”

aerialgroove, I’ll check on the material from the SF2 pre-mook AKA Gamest #64 that you asked and report back soon. For the Zangief pic, it might very well be Dug from FF1 whom Zangief’s grabbing, but I can’t guarantee that it is him. They do look quite alike though. :wow: