Other way around:
Jupiter (Roman)/Zeus (Greek)
Okay. I wonder if they found out he was entering the tournament and thatās why he was expelled or the other way around.
gotcha.
Retsu was excommunicated for practicing forbidden techniques of his monastic order. As a Shaolin monk, these ādark artsā would probably be forbearers of Genās techniques, as historically, Shaolin Kempo is the style that Genās animal techniques came from. And considering his name is āRetsuā, which if Iām not mistaken, means āfuriousā, heād be dangerous to keep around, ya know?
Itās Shorinji kenpo instead of Shaolin.
Not really. Dhalsim is also monk albeit of a different religon, so I doubt itās the knowledge of those particular styles that got him excommunicated. More then likely he sounds like he was expelled for ātestingā his skills out rather then being peaceful.
That would also fit with the norms of the SF universe where Goutetsu was in full control of the SnH but peaceful and Dan who was thrown out of Goukenās dojo for fighting with rage as his primary motivation.
In Super Gem Fighter (US!) Gouki uses āSure Killing Techniquesā not Shotokan. CoA forgot to scratch it?
Is Dhalsim a monk in the official plot or just in SFIITV? Heās married and has a child/children.
Wow. Where to begin? Obviously the whole thing about āforbidden techniquesā isnāt tha reason he was excommunicated if the sources Iām referencing say something completely different. As a matter of fact, I havenāt seen the āforbidden techniquesā thing mentioned on any japanese SF-related website. Saikiās the only guy Iāve heard about it from. vasili10, do you think maybe you could check Retsuās bio in AAC and let me know if the āforbidden techniquesā thing is mentioned there? Feel free to post any info on him that isnāt in the plot guide. Btw LucasBishop, thereās a difference between Shorinji Kenpo and Shaolin Kung Fu/martial arts.
Dhalsim IS a monk, according to the official plot.
vasili10 - Finally finished arranging the CFJ quotes in order for the faqā¦ man, that took hours and Iām about to go blind staring at the screenā¦ anyway, I realized going through everything that I have an old request that must of slipped my mind, the request is for Zangief to Leo and vice versa from Isegrim of Gamefaqs, if you can translate that one whenever for the next update. Now Iām going to sleep. I will continue to update the faq tomorrow adding the newer quotes, but now that the characters are in order it should be a little easier. Off to bed before I collapseā¦
CoA tried to turn Japanese, and it was amusing. In the first place, āsure killing techniquesā is not meant to be Goukiās style, but the English equivalent of āhissatsu wazaā which is what would be referred to as special attacks in English books, the moves that usually require special joystick motions together with button presses to pull off, and use no gauge energy. In the second, Pocket Fighter didnāt even say hissatsu waza with Goukiās ending dialogue, more CoA editing.
From AAC, Retsu is noted to have a monkās shaved head, but heās no monk. Personal struggle or strife is whatās reported for the grounds of his excommunication, not āforbidden techniques.ā
Dhalsimās unambiguously a monk in SF2V, since heās shown to have no family. In canon however, itās interesting because for his SFZ2 entry heās called a training monk or just as valid a priest of discipline, not priest as a religious figurehead, but as an expert of a field.
Japanese unfortunately has several words if you will for monk. Even though Dhalsimās a yoga master and follows several Buddhist principles which conflict with his native Hindu caste system, heās never called a āBuddhist monkā like heās referred to in SF2V. He still canonically respects venerates dieties such as Ganesh, and Agni from whom he draws his fire powers.
So heās a monk because he isolates himself for ascetic discipline, just not a traditional Christian or Buddhist monk since heās with his family, and perhaps the better term for him would be priest as in doctorate. I dunno, maybe Iāll have a better understanding when I get through the rest of Dhalsimās accounts.
Arigato Gozaimasu!!!
I have a nother question, in Pocket Fighterās winter stage you see Bishamon and Sodom in an iglu. What is the white thing that keeps pumping up like a balloon? Is Bishamon feeding his second mouth?
Aerialgroove - Hereās a sketch posted in the SDDC Udon Sketches thread of the SF comics forum of Shinkiro drawing Gouken for a Nishiko (thanks for posting it Nishiko!) So again I donāt think he uses photo reference, he just makes everyone look that way. Oh and heās really good.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/GunbladeCynicTak/Miscellaneous/Shinkiro-sketch.jpg
Thatās awesome, thanks sano. Yes I yesterday took a second look at the Feilong picture that was shown in the Street Fighter gallery ( http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/news/screens_6029971.html?page=8 ) and I think he drew it without a photo. But the CvS faces look so similar, also so similar to some of the new CFJ faces, that Iām still sure he uses photos for some of his work. Iāll make a comparism soon.
But see, thatās the thing. I believe heās so used to drawing that kind of face he can just draw it over and over again without looking at anything as he just did at SDCC. People who admittingly use photo reference (many childrenās book illustrators, some of the more realistic looking ones) make everyone look different because they use different photos for everydody. Itās kind of like Dragon Ballās Akira Toriyama or Ranma 1/2ās Rumiko Takahashi. The majority of their characters look the same except for a different haircut and different clothing. And as i said before, Shinkiro doesnāt have a single piece of paper on his desk at Capcom, he draws everything on the PC now at work.
So heās NOT a monk? Interesting. I wonder why so many websites refer to him as a monk. Even Saiki says heās a monk. Well if AAC says differently, then it must be true. So if Retsu isnāt a monk or a priest, then what institution was he expelled from?
Just like I thought, the āforbidden techniquesā thing isnāt official. I havenāt seen it mentioned ANYWHERE. I wonder where Saiki got that from.
From AAC, Bishamon and Sodom prepare to eat some mochi (sticky rice cake). Not 100% sure on this, but the white thing may be just an air bubble coming from Bishamonās blowing through the tube to cool the food down.
He was a monk if you will until he got kicked out. Retsu was once not only a practitioner of Shorinji kenpo, but an instructor as well. SF2 Complete File fully spells out what Saiki claimed before though, the Fanbook says it as well. He was excommunicated for using his abilities for repeated prohibited personal struggles. Shorinji kenpo is one of the more peaceful styles of martial arts that looks down strongly on full contact. And because of the philosophical sides of martial arts seen most vividly in the Orient in comparison to the Western world, theyāre often treated as religions as well as means of self defense, Shorinji kenpo moreso due to its emphasis on peace.
Retsuās name actually does have a hand in his reputation; he did let violence overcome the peace he should have preached to others. His techniques werenāt forbidden in themselves, but making them full contact ones made them forbidden due to his strife which he couldnāt seem to keep in check; and with personal strife forbidden as well, he was excommunicated from Shorinji kenpo, the institution as well as the style. Heās labeled in the Fanbook as a fallen fighting monk, like Anji from Rurouni Kenshin.
Damn, yāall drop that SF knowledge. Thatās why I love this thread.
I thought it was Shaolin kenpo he practiced, but Shonrinji makes even more sense as to why heād get thrown out.
For such a little used character, Retsu has so much storyline potential. Is it explained why he met up with Gouken? I mean I wonder if it was to mellow out, or to embrace his struggles through a more violent technique.
vasili10
Thanks for the explanation. I misunderstood u at first. I realized heās no longer a monk, but when you said āā¦but heās no monkā on the previous page, I thought u were saying he was never a monk at any point in time.
Off Topic:
Has anyone ever noticed that both Sheep The Royal and Big Bear/Raiden(Fatal Fury series) are from Australia, are around the same height and weight, are pro wrestlers, and bear a striking resemblance to Big Van Vader? Plus, both āSheepā and Vader started out playing football professionally.
Kimala The Bouncer is obviously based off the pro wrestler Giant Kimala/Kamala to some degree. Kimala The Bouncerās face paint, obesity, and belly-slapping is a dead giveaway.
Yeah, Iāve heard that before. Still, I have one more question. Iāve also heard that he was a priest/monk in the Shaolin temple. Is that tru? Itās a lilā confusing 'cuz isnāt āShorin-jiā japanese for Shaolin Temple?
We donāt know if or when he did meet Gouken though. I think that was speculation by Saiki though something more substantial may have been uncovered since the last time I looked.
We do know that he obviously fought Dan at some point and won though what that means is anyoneās guess. I suppose it is possible that after he was excommunicated and eliminated from the first SF tournament he found the inner peace he lacked before.
I doubt that Retsu was a monk in THE Shaolin Temple of China. Shorinji is indeed Japanese for Chinaās Shaolin, Golden Dragon, but the style Shorinji kempo is a Japanese creation with a fraction of the history boasted by the Chinese style Shaolin kung fu, shy of 60 years compared to over a millenium and a half, respectively. At most Shorinji kenpo pays homage to Shaolin and its inherent style through the priestly uniforms practitioners wear and the system of religion blended together with self defense, just like the Shaolin monks responsible for this one of two principal branches of Chinese martial arts, the other branch being tai chi chuan.
Understood. Thanks for ejumicatinā me. It seems like Iām making this a more complicated than it actually is. Heās a former monk/priest and Shorin-ji Kenpo instructor. Lately Iāve been doing a lilā research on Retsu and most websites say he was expelled from a martial arts house/dojo(NOT a religious temple/monastery like I once thought), but the specifics arenāt given. Is that correct?
Edit - But Retsuās stage is set in front of a temple .
Think you could translate the sentence below real quick? I think it explains Gekiās motivation for entering the SF1 tournament.
???
Every japanese SFārelated website I go to describes Joe as the āBack champion of Martial artsā. Iām not sure if thatās an accurate translation or not. Either way, I have no idea what it means. Think you could take a look at the sentence?
???
???